Mace Windu vs. Darth Bane DOE

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am calm. If I could for once say something without you suggesting that I'm a swirling tempest of emotion, that would be really great thanks.

That I'm being mocked for merely arguing that Bane doesn't get stomped doesn't say good things about the state of the forum. All I am suggesting is that a guy prophecised to have perfect strength and power wouldn't lose to Asajj Ventress a few months into the CW in a duel. I am being the epitome of grace here.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You aren't being mocked for supporting Bane. You're being mocked for getting angry for absolutely no reason. The fact that you get angry for being called angry is so ironic, that I think I might start calling you Mars.

I wasn't angry though. So in fact I was being mocked for absolutely no reason. That I dislike this is only to be expected.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am calm. If I could for once say something without you suggesting that I'm a swirling tempest of emotion, that would be really great thanks.

"tempest" excellent

Originally posted by Nephthys
All I am suggesting is that a guy prophecised to have perfect strength and power wouldn't lose to Asajj Ventress a few months into the CW in a duel

That's really weak reasoning.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's really weak reasoning.

Not really. Bane is confirmed to have fulfilled the prophecy and to be the Sith'ari. Part of the prophecy is that he wields immense power and strength to the point of being godlike in his capabilities.

Furthermore, Luminara stated that Ventress' technique was sloppy and amateurish at this stage. By contrast Bane's was highly advanced, complex and masterful. He is more powerful than her and he is greatly more refined in his lightsaber technique.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really.

Yes really lol.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane is confirmed to have fulfilled the prophecy and to be the Sith'ari. Part of the prophecy is that he wields immense power and strength to the point of being godlike in his capabilities.

Bane being the Sith'ari has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he'd beat Ventress. Bane can still wield immense power and strength and still lose to Ventress.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Bane being the Sith'ari has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he'd beat Ventress. Bane can still wield immense power and strength and still lose to Ventress.

That's also pretty weak reasoning. And rather hypocritical of you, considering all those "The Sith waited for Sidious cuz he was so powerful" quotes you buy into. And yet you seem to think that a 4000 years + prophecy about a Sith God that specifically talks about how amazingly power he'd be, (not just "immense" power, "perfect" power) is merely suggestive of a decent fighter on a lower level to the PT Jedi Council. Bane's accolades as the Sith'ari are above any of Ventress' by a mile.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wasn't angry though. So in fact I was being mocked for absolutely no reason. That I dislike this is only to be expected.

Anyway, Mace takes this.

Windu with Solid ease. Vaapad can take him all the way if it has to. He's a better all around fighter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's also pretty weak reasoning.

No it's not lol. Bane being the Sith'ari in no way assumes default superiority over Ventress. Now if, in the fine print of the prophecy, there was a line like "and so the LORD spake that Bane would be the better of all those pour souls who succeeded him" or whatnot, then sure. But it didn't. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
And rather hypocritical of you, considering all those "The Sith waited for Sidious cuz he was so powerful" quotes you buy into. And yet you seem to think that a 4000 years + prophecy about a Sith God that specifically talks about how amazingly power he'd be, (not just "immense" power, "perfect" power) is merely suggestive of a decent fighter on a lower level to the PT Jedi Council.

You mean those quotes you disregard? Not sure why I should consider Bane's accolades and endorsements {this particular one being extremely hyperbolic btw} here anymore than you consider Sidious's tbh. And even if we assume I haven't, the fact of the matter is that the Sith'ari prophecy doesn't confer superiority over Ventress.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane's accolades as the Sith'ari are above any of Ventress' by a mile.

Problem is, the Sith'ari prophecy is irrelevant here.

lol Sith'ari prophecy is irrelevant.

Bane's power might be immense, but whose to say Ventress power is not, um... immenser.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No it's not lol. Bane being the Sith'ari in no way assumes default superiority over Ventress. Now if, in the fine print of the prophecy, there was a line like "and so the LORD spake that Bane would be the better of all those pour souls who succeeded him" or whatnot, then sure. But it didn't. 😬

It really should bro. The Sith'ari should be a being well above Ventress' level. She's couldn't even overpower Luminara. "Well that's just a good feat for Luminara!" How many of the dozens in the CW era do you think are better than one of the most powerful Sith ever, praytell? Or is it just everyone council level and up?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You mean those quotes you disregard? Not sure why I should consider Bane's accolades and endorsements {this particular one being extremely hyperbolic btw} here anymore than you consider Sidious's tbh. And even if we assume I haven't, the fact of the matter is that the Sith'ari prophecy doesn't confer superiority over Ventress.

I don't see how that excuses your hypocrisy. I find it highly confusing how you can claim to hold yourself to a higher standard than me such that you feel you can lecture me about double standards yet you find no fault in indulging in them if I do. It doesn't matter what I disregard. You put stock in those kinds of things in one case but refuse to do so in another. You cannot claim the moral highground while rolling around down in the mud.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Problem is, the Sith'ari prophecy is irrelevant here.

It is but only one point in his favor bro. We both know there's dozens of other things I could mention, I'm just interested in this line of reasoning atm.

You haven't even tried to argue why it doesn't make him better than her. What does she have to compete with being called a Sith God? What mighty accolades does she have that indicate her power surpasses perfection?

(oh and you can't bring up the Mace fight, that would be counter-productive)

Originally posted by Stigma
lol Sith'ari prophecy is irrelevant.

Bane's power might be immense, but whose to say Ventress power is not, um... immenser.

Early CW Ventress couldn't even overpower Luminara in a direct competition of power at least several months after her fight with Mace. She's demonstrated nothing on Bane's level with the Force by then (nor after by whatever). Please bare in mind that this was a few months

Like it or not, people of Ventress' kind of power come about all the fricking time. She's very powerful but nothing special. Bane is a legendary being of massive power, who the ancient Sith blowjobbed out the ass with regards to how powerful he'd be.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It really should bro. The Sith'ari should be a being well above Ventress' level.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She's couldn't even overpower Luminara. "Well that's just a good feat for Luminara!" How many of the dozens in the CW era do you think are better than one of the most powerful Sith ever, praytell? Or is it just everyone council level and up?

Even if Bane were indeed one of the most powerful Sith ever, it doesn't mean he's in the top 10. Or even 100. Or even thousand, for that matter. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see how that excuses your hypocrisy. I find it highly confusing how you can claim to hold yourself to a higher standard than me such that you feel you can lecture me about double standards yet you find no fault in indulging in them if I do. It doesn't matter what I disregard. You put stock in those kinds of things in one case but refuse to do so in another. You cannot claim the moral highground while rolling around down in the mud.

There's no double standard, brosef. The Sith'ari clearly doesn't have perfect strength... else he'd have never been defeated. It's utterly and totally hyperbolic. And it doesn't put Bane ahead of Ventress by default. I don't know what more to tell you, man; it's pretty cut and dry.

But even if there were a double standard employed here, I don't see why either of us should be held to a different standard than the other. Looks to me like you're admitting to using double standards and deceptions in a debate but get terribly frustrated when you perceive others to use those same tactics against you. That's not just hypocrisy, it's also pretty whiny.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It is but only one point in his favor bro. We both know there's dozens of other things I could mention, I'm just interested in this line of reasoning atm.

Ok. Thing is, though, the Sith'ari thing doesn't make a bit of difference.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You haven't even tried to argue why it doesn't make him better than her. What does she have to compete with being called a Sith God? What mighty accolades does she have that indicate her power surpasses perfection?

(oh and you can't bring up the Mace fight, that would be counter-productive)

That's the thing, though... a title and hyperbolic prophecy don't really have any relevance to how he compares to her martially. It's irrelevant.

I don't know why you're getting so mad.

Luminara > Bane, tbh

Thank you.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Luminara > Bane, tbh

no

This thread gets more gg by the day.

Originally posted by Nephthys
no

Originally posted by |King Joker|
50/50?

100/0.

Lol @ this. And I agree Windu wins solidly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
100/0.

In Luminara's favor. 👆