Spectre Vs Marvel/DC Gauntlet

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, here comes the wall of text. How novel.

I just didn't give a shit about your "interpretation."

Here comes two word answers that only make you feel good about yourself but answer absolutely nothing.
Yeah right, your opinion sucks, sure sure. You don't even actually address half the things you respond to, all you do is try and hand wave them away. I actually have to look up almost everything I say because I have no idea what you're responding to most of the time. It's that generic. I don't even know why you have an issue with walls of texts when you just post one sentence to anything. And it's not like it's actually a sentence that has any real merit either.

But my "interpretation" is the comics. Yours is some made up Abhi misinterpretation like always. Learn to read comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, everything?
Uh...
Bendis wrote Galactus for 6 issues which he largely did nothing in a severely hunger state. Johns is what, somewhere around 50-100 issues with Spectre?

It's much the same.

Also your point is that Galactus stood around for 6 issues and this means something. I don't even... you can't even explain your points. It's like you have premade answers that just cover a wide base of things they could be possibly speaking of.

And this goes largely towards most of your points. Either that or "I don't like it, didn't happen".

Seriously though, based on your words, you're arguing an appearance means anything when you can't even actually explain how this goes back to your point. 😬

Originally posted by abhilegend
You should be. You're acting like tenure of a writer means that much.
There's no correlation between Galactus/Bendis and Johns/Spectre. You made a shitty comparison and now are utterly refusing to back up your point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a big fan of spectre, right?
Not in the least.

I just don't hate him on the level of how much you hate everything not Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You forgot unmerging DC and Marvel universe. But you can always go to his respect thread if you like.
So what one more high feat? In an arc specifically frowned upon using here?

Actually though, any respect thread not posted in by you or Long Pig would be a more suitable replacement for listing to your interpretation. Those people actually have reading abilities.

Also lol at the implication that I have a reliance on respect threads. Apply yourself. Your insults are just like your points. Ill thought out and the first thing you think of.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, sure.
So what he doesn't? Sarcastically writing it off doesn't actually work when it's true.

Spectre doesn't have a lower average and has no low feats? Because that's the implication of the post.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, you are just using one writer to lowball a character.
Sure, sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What does Mxy has to do with this?

He's a high feat.

But I knew had I not mentioned him, you would have jumped all over it. So, I figured I'd cut you off. Now, the feat of draining Spectre has nothing to do with this apparently.

I guess it worked... ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.
Yes, inserting words in my mouth and arguing against them isn't inventing arguments.

- Abhi

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, one writer doesn't makes or breaks the average of a character.
It adds to an already unimpressive average. Which is what I've been implying and outright said in my post.

Also, my initial point to this sequence here is that Johns wrote an unimpressive Spectre. You went all over the place with that until you ended up back here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which is horseshit. But you know it already and just droning on Johns ruining his average.
Do tell why it's horseshit instead of simply handwaving it away. Impress me Abhi.

You have no issue "joking" with Spectre recreating all creation, and repeating that around, and naming "high feats" from Johns, but in the face of me saying something apparently really wrong, all you can say is, it's horseshit.

Why is it horseshit? Teach me about Spectre's average being really impressive. Tell me why please. Tell me why he doesn't have many low feats outside Johns.

We can contrast afterwards. Tell me why I'm wrong here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, we can sure ignore statements and feats that way. Next time you bring up something, I'll just call it ridiculous and poof, its gone.
I'm not ignoring feats or statements though. Stop digging in your generic answer drawer.

I'm saying God interfering in Spectre's affairs is meaningless. That's what he does. He tells Spectre what to do.

You said him catching God's attention means something. Why? Because I was under the impression that "God's Wrath" had a lot of input from "God".

He has a direct connection to God. He is not some random being with no direct relations to God, he was actually God's Wrath.

How does God noticing him mean anything?

How is this impressive to you on a level of God? To do it, the most powerful being he killed was Nabu. How does this put him in omnipotent territory or whatever your point is?

Simply handwaving this away doesn't work. Explain your point for once.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or because he killed Nabu and ended an age of Magic in its entirety.
What's your actual point here? You're just repeating what I said. Spectre acted like a petulant child and it got God to notice.

I am well aware of what he did. I am not aware of how a being directly connected to God having God interfere is something of merit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right. We just ignore something because you said so. Soory pal, the times I gave a shit about what you think are long over.
But your point is meaningless and you just wasted four separate quotes to NOT actually explain your point, if you actually thought that far. Your handwaving isn't beyond my notice.

I said
"It's meaningless. It has nothing to do with power, besides the actual battles."

Because it's about what he did, which is what you tried to backtrack to when you mentioned the Ninth Age ending. God's attention is completely meaningless and in no way an attributable feat to Spectre.

The actual battles show his power, not the notice of God. But you apparently disagree with this? So why don't you actually say why God noticing him relevant to... anything?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your sarcasm is duly notes and thrown in trash.
Handwaving.

God did not say that. God was in no effected by Spectre ending the Ninth Age. God was not threatened at all. Why is God relevant?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I already said that he jobbed to Parallax.
Why would you bring it up as a good feat under Johns then? You keep backtracking and then repeating yourself.

You brought out a feat and then backtracked when you realized what happened instead of actually admitting you were wrong.

Same thing you did with Johns really. You named a bunch of "impressive" things, and then backtracked once any of them were questioned. Except for some reason the power Spectre left lying around from other beings, and a statement Asmodel said where God should fear him. Which... ugh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Am I the one who is outright ignoring feats and statements? Answer this.
Yes. You are. So much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh yeah, that's just so good. How about someone twice as powerful as him dying by a planet blowing up?

Omega wasn't weakened though.

Red herring

Nothing Omega did was beyond Galactus. Also Omega couldn't even actually absorb powers adequately at the time anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bat-mite throwing a planet isn't a planet blowing up though.
Did you even look at the actual scan? Like I'll get to this in a second, but do you have an eyesight issue or something? This explains a lot if so.
Mxy hit Spectre over the head with Earth there. I don't get how you completely screwed that up so bad. Not that the interpretation changes much, but that is so hilariously misread. And yet you'll still continue to say you don't misinterpret things.

Anyway, the Earth wasn't even destroyed. All that hit did was destroy a third to a half of Earth

The hit didn't even destroy the planet and it was going downwards.

But anyway, just like two planets with a sizable nuclear device aren't just a normal explosion. Especially when Galactus tanked a nova in the same arc.
So, you can argue it wasn't a normal hit, just as you can argue a weakened Galactus taking that explosion wasn't a normal hit.

Which is my point. Not that you'll agree with it, or say much more than some random handwaving, but yeah. Good job with the attempted lowball there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, sure. Didn't you say that Spectre was the one who was responsible of Damage going big bangy? Right?
No, that's your lack of reading comprehension. You also completely conceded that debate. Why would you bring it up? Hell, you used to say Superman supplied 1/4 of the big bang there and you get offended whenever anyone brings that up. Like I said, slowly phasing things out.
Tell me more of how recaps leaving out characters retcons those characters out of a story... even a year later though. 😂

I said Spectre contributed to the energy released. As did Parallax's energy which was enough on its own. That is your argument as well, only with a distinct selective memory on Parallax's energy being involved.

Way to use that against me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right. I just said Spectre beats galactus. You flew off the handle for defense of your precious Galactus.
Because what you used was shit and you tried to troll me? lol at flew off the handle though. I was completely civil while you started crying. Look at you trying to best mask your tears here though. Now I am the one who is mad. That's some good role reversal role playing you got there. I like how you're trying to complete the masking by trying to seem happy now. You failed to make me mad and now you're not mad and I am.

Do you think typing words is flying off the handle or something? Everytime you lose a debate with me you always go "Oh essay", to make you feel better. It's called being thorough. Not making up random shit and answer largely with two words to make you feel better about yourself.

"Sure sure"

Yes, that naturally goes against something. That's called an inability to answer Abhi. 😉

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, I think Asmodel is more knowledgeable than you about Presence. It struck a nerve though, didn't I?
😂

Why are you projecting your feelings onto me? You're the one who cries due to civil posts.

All I'm saying is your point is retarded. The fact that you're using such a blatant display of hyperbole is pathetic. Your stupidity did not strike a nerve just because I pointed out it was stupid. You're not quan... which is oddly a compliment.

But since you continue to defend this...

Show me the feats of Asmodel Spectre that would even singe God's robe. If it's not hyperbole, then surely you have feats on hand that would cause alarm to God? Surely you can actually back this statement up?

What did Spectre Asmodel do that would cause God to fear them?

I don't get why you just don't post a picture of a hand waving in the air as your response here. It'd save a lot of time since you're not contributing anything here. Just an attempt to get the last word to try and cement your points... that you just refuse to back up any of them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that sounds about right.
There's some admittance. Glad you finally confessed to something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ha, it did struck a nerve.

😂

Make a few more essays on it and I'll believe you.

Swearing does not mean you struck a nerve. Half of my posts speak of shit. 😬
But sure you did. I'm mad. Eat a dick. Eat a dick. Like I give a shit. Who gives a shit. I don't give a shit about your opinions, etc.

Sure thing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right.
Did you make in your diaper?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, infinite universes.
I was going to look into this but then I realized I just don't care as it makes no difference. In any case, scan?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right.

You are not even trying now.

I was thinking the same thing. You realize you just quoted me summarizing that scene like 2 separated posts below?

Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that. Then it was Brother Eye that basically reshaped the universes from memory. Then Alex needed an access point to accomplish this outside the tower as well

Do you just start typing before you actually read the post or something? I thought you'd at least read the posts that you have to separate but bad assumption on my part? Like, as bad as that sounds, it's better than actually reading it and then thinking it stands.

But yes, if I've given the impression that I don't have to try with you, then that's because you're literally quoting a part of my post that says I don't have to try with you. 😂

Like you can't set this shit up any better. This whole section is amazing to me. It's "Bat-Mite throwing a planet at Spectre" all over again.

Let me guess your response here. 3 options.

"Whatever"
"Yeah right"
"Sure sure

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF are you talking about now?
An old assumption that's been kicking around for a while.

That Anti-Monitor still had a bunch of matter and anti matter in him, enough to jumpstart a multiverse. It's an idea that's been kicking around, and supported by the "anti matter and positive matter".

Though it's not my personal belief. Just thought I'd throw that in there considering you're going to one word this section, and your one words are largely ignorable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The energy came from the magic. Its stated as plainly for someone like you to understand as it can be.
The post you're quoting says this:

"Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that."

I just... it's just. How... ?

Do you even know how to read?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, its not.

Bwahaha.

Yes it was. Couple that with it never actually stating if the fuel created the universes.

Which is entirely possible if you assume it was just a high powered tuning fork that retrieved the universes from hiding and Brother Eye's mapping found them.

The only part that's unexplainable in this situation is the "everything comes from Superman", but that's not really adequately explained any way you look at it. It just is.

Just giving other scenerios where "I would be wrong". Because I think about other angles instead of just writing things off because I don't like them. I think too much. You think too little or not at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, everything is irrelevant.

It is though. The power being used there was not the Spectre's. The power being used there was not from one being the Spectre killed.
The power being used there was from what, 6 months of Spectre murdering magic users? I'd give the actual timeframe but it doesn't matter. Hopefully you will actually say something worthwhile here... ?

How the **** is this relevant to Spectre? He killed a lot of beings. He did not face down all this power at once. He faced a lot of beings that contributed to this power over a timeframe.

Explain how you think this counts. Don't just handwave this away. If you think it counts so much, then explain why you think it counts.

At this stage in time I am curious if you can actually explain your logic of half the things you said considering the hole you've dug for yourself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, circular logic to deny a feat. Good job quan.
What? How is that circular logic?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Too bad of a job to provoking me though.
To do that all I have to be is completely civil apparently. I guess low feats won't do it.

Maybe you can get really mad at these posts? I'm kind of being friendly? Wait and see I guess abby. You never know when you'll flip your shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It blatantly said that he did that only for killing Nabu. But it speaks of Nabu's power level more than anything else.
That Spectre can't kill Nabu without additional power, with an unspecified powerup when his normal form couldn't destroy Dr Fate?

But yes, I have no problem with him killing Nabu. Use that feat instead of pooled energies. Nabu still isn't exactly a great feat when not only are you using it in a way to show Spectre's power because of the pooled energy, but he was also the most powerful being Spectre killed when you're using it in some way to show Spectre's power is enough to get God to notice. 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
To repower himself. But that's neither here nor there.

WTF? He did it once against Nabu. You are saying he did it everytime? GTFO. No, he didn't.

Yeah, right. Doing it once means you're always using it. Right.

Haha, the things you would do to demean Spectre.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2021.jpg

"I wasn't powerful to destroy you last we met... but now I am!"

And considering he fought Dr Fate at the height of his powers in issue 2 of Day of Vengeance, and he got more powerful per his own admission (hell he later admitted that he thought he destroyed a lot of magic when asked how much he absorbed, but right here he says he got more powerful, which means he didn't go overboard but still absorbed power), then that means he was absorbing magic. You say he merely absorbed all energy he could off the Rock of Eternity, the Baubles, and Shazam to get back to full power, which means he was absorbing energy outside of that fight. 🙂

Which means you're wrong. He was absorbing magic, though not in severe excess to a point where he could easily kill Nabu. It wasn't all his power.

And then he either absorbed a shit load of random magic, or focused it into an attack to destroy Nabu. So we have 1 fight where he outright absorbs a bunch of power, 1 fight where he channels a whole bunch in a wild attack, and an admittance of getting more powerful where you think he merely got to full power, which means he was absorbing more under your logic.

But all that aside, why wouldn't he absorb magic after seeing what it could do? Is Spectre also completely retarded under your pen as well? And he just desperately created that last attack against Nabu in that moment as well?

So basically, Spectre was getting more powerful at the very least after the Shazam fight where he started killed the big dawgs.

And you're not even using the fights as feats for Spectre is the main thing. No, what you're using is all the pooled energy from Spectre's rampage as the feat. 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure thing Bran. Why don't you write an essay on it?
Is this supposed to be an insult though? Like you've said this many times to me. Is this some fantasy version of an insult for you?

Ouch, you got me though. How dare I actually address things? Tell me how much of a smart, strong, handsome man I am to really put me in my place.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's as relevant as Galactus losing to a simple dimensional BFR. Spectre can't judge soulless beings? I'm sure he can blast the shit out of them though. Just like he has done to several soulless beings before.
Well, Galactus can teleport across dimensional planes so...
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/Alpha_Flight_v1_099_03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/Alpha_Flight_v1_099_04.jpg

Also, how is not having a soul is as relevant as bfr? Simply being something is the same as an offensive attack? How does that work?

All I'm saying is that Galactus' status gives some defense from Spectre. Interesting if he could make him poof due to it though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right. What if Spectre simply BFRs Galactus to N-zone though?
The N-zone doesn't exist in a neutral battlezone.

Also, I forgot why you kept bringing up Bendis. It was so you could use this feat, of which you seem to mention quite a bit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's right. What's your point though?
You literally quote my point later. You literally agree with my point, and disagree with it shortly after this. Like... what the **** is even going on?

"yeah right"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Explained? Haha, what? Since when creation means planetary when the universes are mentiones in the same series?
Since it never said he effected any creation beyond the Earth? Maybe?

Since when do we no limits fallacy a feat that was only stated to be planetary in scope when no actual mention of it being beyond that exists in the series? Even in the statement you're randomly applying, it outright says "In the entirety of creation". Where the **** was that stated when Cain did that?

Don't you go ballistic everytime Mr Master mentions that Hotu destroyed the omniverse... when he actually has way more proof than you?

Hypocrisy?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? That's what I'm saying for the whole time.
You disagree with me directly below and above. I don't... I am legitimately confused here. Do you not have any reading comprehension at all?

Here you are agreeing with me at the time you attack me:

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And onto the Revelations feat... I don't know why you would even bring this up to me, and then challenge me so confidently with it. All you did was blatantly misinterpret it. I knew that, but I played along to see where you would try and take this. But you seem to be completely serious so...

Like I said, it was Crispus limiting Spectre, not God:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20015.jpg

And farther confirmation. Hell, it even says he's weaker because he takes vengeance on one soul at a time. "Remaking all creation" kind of makes that null and void.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Revelations%2002%20Page%20027.jpg.html

So, we've established that Crispus wasn't weakened in that feat.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, what? Do you even know how spectre works? It is limited by what the host can channel of Logoz. Crispus didn't know about his power. He realized it and remade creation at the end.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How does "dealing with all creation" override the fact that he was holding his power back in all previous instances?
Because I've never been speaking of his previous feats, get some reading komprehension.

I've said multiple times that Krispus being weaker was irrelevant konsidering when he did the aktual feat he wasn't limiting himself anymore.

In the initial "remake kreation" feat, Krispus wasn't there to limit Spektre. In the next part when he kame bakk, he "remade kreation" therefore bypassing his limitations he set upon himself.

Like, how are you even missing this? Him being weaker is irrelevant konsidering when he did the feats he was not.

"Yeah, right"

Originally posted by abhilegend
For me, it sure is.
This post for you. But last post didn't seem to go so well for your well being. Glad you got over that though. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right. I'm just having a fun at how riled up you are now.
Deflektion

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right.
So it never said "all kreation" in response to the feat? And you agree with it?

So you're just accepting a blind logik jump just because you hate the aktual feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, I just posted the scan and the dialogue from it in every single word. You're the one who has got his panties twisted because of it.
😂
You flipped your lid bekause of me disproving it. Don't projekt your butthurt onto me just because you're not mad anymore.

You reposted the skans which in no way aktually say he akkomplished rekreating all reality. If you had a direkt statement, you'd have posted it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Unmake creation" is somehow forgotten. Nice try though.
"God's creation". I liked how Earth is the only creation in the universe of God. But good point in pointing out your own hypocrisy.

Hahaha, its like you haven't actually read the comic but only the panels where "world" is written, ignoring everything else.

It direktly expanded on what kreation meant in that instance. It blatantly stated how it was only planetary. Not to mention we aktually see the effekt only spread on the planet which you ignored.

What you're saying is this is what the comiks says "Remake the omniverse, remake Earth."
Which is a direkt step down.

"Kreation" isn't a blanket statement to include absolutely you feel like using. There's a reason "Entirety of Kreation" was added in the "universes" part, and there's a reason why it wasn't inkluded in the Earth feat.

You need proof that it extended to absolutely everything, not the opposite. You do not have that except an unkonnected statement, not related to the feat.

Not only is "kreation" whittled down to Earth in every instance of the feat, but we again, see the spread of it:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20002.jpg

That's going to take a while to spread to other universes...

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Creation", "God's creation". Take an eraser and erase those words from the panels first if you think its just "world".
Again, kreation isn't a blanket statement just for you to add whatever fantasy you want into the feat.

But "Everything" is God's kreation. That doesn't mean any mention of "Kreation" means absolutely everything. Her calling Kain God's kreation for example doesn't mean he's a multiverse, just like them calling Earth God's kreation doesn't mean a multiverse.

Heh, it was specifikally stated of what they were speaking about in that instance. You no limiting it doesn't work.

I'm not erasing anything, I'm just not using no limit fallacies.


Ah, right. Its not you hating Spectre, its me hating all of marvel. Sure thing, Dr. Phil.
Well, looks like we agree. All you do is shit on Marvel, and even DC when it direktly relates to Superman.

Oh, my longstanding hatred of Spektre of which you kan find so much evidence pales in komparison to your history. It's that's simple really.


LOL. That was just funny. I literally laughed out loud. Good one bran.
Unless I misunderstand... you being wrong is funny? You seem to have bipolar if it just made you mad earlier. But whatever I guess.


That's what you're doing though. I'm just posting dialogue from the actual comic. You're just trying to push your own agenda on the comic.
Laughable attempt at projekting.

Do you want to play a game. Which one of us has a statement direktly pertaining to the skope of the feat?

Let's see, me with a world, or you with it saying he remade the multiverse?


Sure, why not? If you think ALE effected all creation which included characters more powerful than even Spectre, that is.
I see so what you're saying is that Spektre directly remade Kain in that instance. Then he unmade Kain when Krispus kame bakk. Then, that still wasn't enough so he had to pass judgement on his separately because his unmaking of Kain apparently had absolutely no effekt?

"k, Haha wtf"

Exaktly. Your logik leads to terrible places.


Ha, "desperation" "You're desperate". Why don't you just write it in every line and forget everything else? It'd save a lot of time for both of us.
To be honest, I was thinking the same thing with you and just writing "no" to everything. 😬


He sure does.
"Oh, Sure why not" is not why Spektre would beat Galaktus. Neither is blatant misinterpretation of feats.

See, your argument as to why Spektre wins is because of pooled magik that wasn't his. God interfering and giving him a host. And him "remaking" a planet.

More, to the point, that's not a good argument at all. Spektre can win sure, no denying that, but not with your terrible examples. It'd be like someone saying Hulk beats Wolverine because he kan send shokkwaves through dimensions... lokation not a faktor.


Why are you being goaded if you're so confident in your view that Spectre is shit?
Eh? Because you inkluded a kompletely butchered viewpoint of a feat to kall me out with it. Everything else is an extension of that.


Doesn't mean its not canon though. For DC it is. Guess where Spectre is from?
Look, I'm just saying it's not supposed to be used.

Like he separated two universes though in any kase. That puts him just a couple steps above Hyperion.

Caring about it though, you add one more high feat, yet you outright ignore posting anything else pertaining to "high feats". I kan see why this is so important to you. If that's the only addition you can really use, then...


Yeah, a joke post is actually me trying to get one over you for one whole year. Right.
"Everyone it was a joke post" loses all merit when you use it again, and then get really "I'm mad" upset about it when questioned. 😬

"Look I was just joking... that's why I reposted it and got really butthurt when it was questioned."

Everyone knows about you "joke" posts. Tell me more about how Thor was in a really really really specifik timeframe and in no way had an immortal kurse on at the time. And how he definitely died. People know things about you here.

Yes, you are a jokester supreme. Among other "jokes". Tell me more about how much you want you want to lowball kharacters as a joke and then seriously use them down the line or in the same instance.


Haha, someone is sure full of himself.
See, maybe so. But in this kase it's your obsession of me.

For what does it look like when someone pretty much posts the same thing in response to the same person many months apart with no indication of the other poster both times?

And, you love me dawg, and you want me deep in your rectum.


More likely is that I don't give a shit about how badly you interpret a simple scene.
Right. That's quite evident. Everyone knows you have severe issues with properly read scenes. Do you read the scene right at first and then go "you know what, I'm not a fan of how this reads. Here's the new way it's going, and I don't give a shit who disagrees with me!"

Truth be told, but yeah, the whole "I don't give a shit angle" doesn't work when you flip out about it, and later regain your composure like nothing ever happened.


More pathetic is your ability to ignore some words in the same panel as you're using as a proof.
Says the guy literally relying a no limits fallacy. Found a picture of you by accident today.


Sphinx that fought Galactus and recreated all reality? Heh, I don't know what you're smoking but that's not the sphinx Galactus fought and that's a single timeline that Sphinx altered. But yeah, go with totally unrelated feats and fights. Why don't we go with Spectre fighting Parallax who actually could have created countless universes as an average or helping in creating infinite Hypertime with Damage's big bang?
Are you under the opinion that a Lady Sphinx who basikally just got the gem was more powerful than Man Sphinx who had it since ancient Egypt and had a Worldmind powerup in addition which she lakked?
As if it needed to be stated, she was only using the power she stole from Sphinx, while again lakking the Worldwind upgrade:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/NewWar-48-11.jpg

Now, the Ka Stone was said to be able to kreate universes, of which you already admitted to:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/NewWar-47-16.jpg

Don't see how you can't say Lady Sphinx was actually in a weaker state, with less experience than Sphinx. 😬

The aktual statement that exists of it saying she rekreated all reality. Besides that, we have statements which specifically mention "all of time", and other realities in the original story. It's amazing how you missed the parallels here, but that's to be expekted.

Realistically, by all means the original feat was only planetary, with an ability to no limits it like you're doing. The issue is however, that it was actually retkonned in the handbooks, and in that issue it seemingly retkonned it as well. But it's funny how it aktually direktly has statements to say "all reality", and you won't accept that, but you'll accept Spektre doing it. Basically, Lady Sphinx has a higher claim to "all reality" than Spektre does, so if you accept Spektres, then you'd think you'd have to accept Lady Sphinx's. At least she was said to be able kreate universe and rekreate all reality in direkt relation to the feat... Spektre was not.

As for Parallax, good, then use that feat. This is what I meant by your argument not being convincing. You use a made up feat in your own mind as opposed to an aktual real feat of fighting "Multiverse" Parallax.

Per what you used this whole time with aktual feats before this, Spektre beats Galaktus because... he separated two universes?

There'd be a lot less issue with you using high feats only, but accepting you're doing so, instead of making up feats, using complete non feats, and using pooled energies from a rampage. Like in my opening premise. It seems Spektre wins going by high feats only. It would be a possible great fight however if you use averages. That's all I initially wished to say, but you know me, hard to resist a moron spouting moronic babble. 🙂


Of course you don't.
Honestly, your mind is a komplex weave indeed. You really need that "rekreate reality" feat though with no aktual direkt proof. It's throwing me all over the place.


Sure thing buddy. I'm here if you need me.
Everyone can see what a comforting thought that would be. At least I'll know your body will be warm. 😉

Makes me already feel special knowing I'm your hukkleberry.

I love all the projekting some more arguments onto me. "Yeah well, Bendis! Haha, I got u. Now I'm here for you, let me touch your penis please."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, sure?
Not to repeat myself, but basikally you're a child running around is what I said.

Always trying to get Daddy's attention. "I don't give a shit, give me attention daddy!"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said you're too full of yourself. But don't worry, it'll pass.
"Jokes on you, I was just joking, I wouldn't aktually think the thing I've used many times to try and get your attention."

Although, I know. You're just a rare kase where me being full of myself flares up. You're so useless it makes me feel all powerful. I'll be alright after this, but thanks for the concern buddy. You're there for me bud. 👆

Really I usually don't let myself get a big head, but sometimes it takes someone akting like a spoiled child for me to act in that kharacter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know about you, but its quite fun to see how much you can bend for your hate towards Spectre in general. Quite carver of you.
Friendly neighborhood Abhi with his projekting again. Go on and tell me how every top tier hurts Galaktus and how much Galactus gets stomped, and how weak Surfer is bekause of how weak Galaktus is. Almost every single argument you ever have is bekause you tried to lowball.

Oddly enough, you're the biggest hater on the forum. 😂

Really, I don't think "Karverlike" adequately explains how much your hate follows you everywhere.

Are you worse than Karver? Yes. The only thing that kovers that up is you aktually read the komics. As for the reading komprehension to go with that? Eh, that's a wash.

"Like I give a shit." But, I don't hate Spektre. I'm just not a fan and think he's overrated. lol at him beating the Celestial race though (not saying you're saying it, but that's the general attitude towards him). That's not even high feats only at that point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I give a shit about what you think though. Celey is just trying to get a rise out of me at this point.
"Like I give a shit" There it is again. You've said you don't give a shit many times here. "Like I give a shit, watch me flip out, regain my komposure, and then respond to everything telling you how little I give a shit."

To be honest, looks like Celey (assuming it's said Seley) is all over you at this point though. You tried to get a rise out of me, Celey is plain old putting you in your place. But that's just one gossip girl's opinion on that partikular debate.

I don't like to cheerlead, but considering how much you do it, it seems pretty fitting.

Many long nights have been fought out between you and Celey. I'm genuinely curious if you two have ever directly conceded to each other's arguments, or if your "You hurt my feelings celey, I'm reporting you" is just a front, and you absolutely love talking to him, him whispering sweet nothings in your ear till you melt inside. Cute stuff. It's not about Superman with him, it's about a man and another man with a big hammer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh.
Exaktly! That was my initial response when you tried to portray Asmodel/Spektre as being a threat to God. Oddly enough all this handwaving portrays a lot of my feelings.

Activities:
There are two hidden messages in these last series of posts? Can you find one or both of them?

Be the first to solve either and claim your prize!

Hint for 1:

Spoiler:
It is in posts 4 through 5

Hint for 2:

Spoiler:
It goes through every post, excluding this one of course! Recommended for advanced users only, and even then I have my doubts it gets solved.

Trivia:
[list]
[*] The K's in the last half of the posts are from Bran playing Mortal Kombat today. This was a lot trickier than anticipated!

[*] Abhi's favorite character is Superman. You'd need super vision to see that though!

[*] Celeyhyga's favorite character is Thor. As blunt as a hammer, or as swift as lightning?

Spoiler:
It's blunt

[*] Abhi's least favorite poster on the forums is Celeyhyga. Is he jelly of Celey?

[*] Abhi once got heatstroke from being in a bus too long. Stick a fork in him, he's done!

[*] Abhi's temperature rises past his heatstroke days when he's in the vicinity of Celey. Someone get this hothead out of here!

[*] Contrary to popular belief, this has been a rather fun debate for Bran. What did Abhi say when seeing this? "Yeah, right."

[*]Abhi thinks this scan is of Bat-Mite throwing a planet at Spectre. Looks like his eyes were off world at the time!

[*] Some say Abhi's misinterpretations are on purpose. Some say it's an accident. What does Abhi say about it? "Who gives a shit?"

[/list]

Bonus Activity:
Can you sort every example into it's own group? Bonus points if different words are used but it says the same thing
*You'd be shocked at how little was excluded here from 4 posts!

Ah, here comes the wall of text. How novel.

I just didn't give a shit about your "interpretation."

Uh, everything?

You should be. You're acting like tenure of a writer means that much.

Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a big fan of spectre, right?

You forgot unmerging DC and Marvel universe. But you can always go to his respect thread if you like.

Sure, sure.

Again, you are just using one writer to lowball a character.

Not really.

Yeah, one writer doesn't makes or breaks the average of a character.

Which is horseshit. But you know it already and just droning on Johns ruining his average.

Yeah, we can sure ignore statements and feats that way. Next time you bring up something, I'll just call it ridiculous and poof, its gone.

Yeah, right. We just ignore something because you said so. Soory pal, the times I gave a shit about what you think are long over.

Your sarcasm is duly notes and thrown in trash.

Am I the one who is outright ignoring feats and statements? Answer this.

Right. I just said Spectre beats galactus. You flew off the handle for defense of your precious Galactus.

Heh, I think Asmodel is more knowledgeable than you about Presence. It struck a nerve though, didn't I?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Ha, it did struck a nerve.

Make a few more essays on it and I'll believe you.

Right.

Nah, infinite universes. Yeah, right.

WTF are you talking about now?

No, its not.

Bwahaha.

Sure, everything is irrelevant.

Yeah, circular logic to deny a feat. Good job quan.

Too bad of a job to provoking me though.

Yeah, right. Doing it once means you're always using it. Right.

Haha, the things you would do to demean Spectre.

Sure thing Bran. Why don't you write an essay on it?

That's as relevant as Galactus losing to a simple dimensional BFR.

Right. What if Spectre simply BFRs Galactus to N-zone though?

Yeah, that's right. What's your point though?

Wut? That's what I'm saying for the whole time.

For me, it sure is.

Yeah, right. I'm just having a fun at how riled up you are now.

Right.

Haha, I just posted the scan and the dialogue from it in every single word. You're the one who has got his panties twisted because of it.

Ah, right. Its not you hating Spectre, its me hating all of marvel. Sure thing, Dr. Phil.

LOL. That was just funny. I literally laughed out loud. Good one bran.

That's what you're doing though. I'm just posting dialogue from the actual comic. You're just trying to push your own agenda on the comic.

He sure does.

Why are you being goaded if you're so confident in your view that Spectre is shit?

Yeah, a joke post is actually me trying to get one over you for one whole year. Right.

Haha, someone is sure full of himself.

More likely is that I don't give a shit about how badly you interpret a simple scene.

More pathetic is your ability to ignore some words in the same panel as you're using as a proof.

Of course you don't.

Sure thing buddy. I'm here if you need me.

Uh, sure?

Like I said you're too full of yourself. But don't worry, it'll pass.

I don't know about you, but its quite fun to see how much you can bend for your hate towards Spectre in general. Quite carver of you.

Like I give a shit about what you think though. Celey is just trying to get a rise out of me at this point.

Uh-huh.

Is that all you got? C'mon, one more essay would be fun.

Anyway off to bed, will answer it tomorrow.

So you may ask yourself a question... did Bran write this argument up in 20 minutes?

No. I wrote it all up before this post:

And everything I said in there was correct, though I withheld information of actually being done. What I was trying to do was get these queers to bump the thread to the next page so I could Galan this argument to the top of the page. But that was only because I didn't want the activities post to be wasted, since the argument is pointless. Everyone knows Abhi's wrong all the time. It's not about getting the last word. In fact I had to start putting K's in it halfway through because his posts are so worthless to reply to. The K idea came along when I thought up the activities, so that made finishing the posts easy as shit.

Basically I finished the argument and then had to go back and start adding in messages, which is why there's so many pms here. Revision. That's why I posted that, because I knew the argument was already done, but I had to finish the messages. It was a little tricky trying to find out what jumps out and what doesn't but when I looked at it, it seemed to give hints so yeah.

The good thing about this is the activities post is most of the reason I thought up summarizing stories because of how fun it was to think up ways to answer. You'll notice in the timeframe between the posts to my World War Hulk story.

Anyway, proof I was done at that time.

So when it wasn't bumped I was kind of sad. Not because of the argument because again Abhi is worthless (and I haven't even read the argument since then, I just know abhi was wrong when I wrote it), but because I felt the activities post was one of the best posts I've ever done on this forum. So I just quietly waited for abhi to bring it up one day like he did because I know he's an egotistical prick. And then I Galan'd to the next page to get abhi to ego post a little. Which I supposed I could have done in the first place but Abhi wouldn't answer me the first time. Plus letting Abhi think he just completely shut me up is alright too.

And bingo bango bongo. Though I was quite sure I would have to have it rot in my pms, but it worked out for the best. Thanks to Abhi's immense ego people hopefully try out their hands at my crafty messages.

It's a good thing I sent that answer key to myself though, because I'm not sure I would try it. 😂

In any case, I don't want to top this so much later. But I will continue the debate if Abhi really wants to lash out again like a petulant child.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...enjoy seeing Bran debate. Get him buddy.

👆

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Show me the feats of Asmodel Spectre that would even singe God's robe. If it's not hyperbole, then surely you have feats on hand that would cause alarm to God? Surely you can actually back this statement up?

What did Spectre Asmodel do that would cause God to fear them?

Asmodel is actually known for being delusional. In Paradise Lost he was super confident that he was going to ususrp God and take over heaven only to learn how really delusional he was in the end.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

That Spectre can't kill Nabu without additional power, with an unspecified powerup when his normal form couldn't destroy Dr Fate?

But yes, I have no problem with him killing Nabu. Use that feat instead of pooled energies. Nabu still isn't exactly a great feat when not only are you using it in a way to show Spectre's power because of the pooled energy, but he was also the most powerful being Spectre killed when you're using it in some way to show Spectre's power is enough to get God to notice. 😂

That's quite inconsistent. Back in Spectre's solo series, he one-shotted Nabu twice. It was specifically noted that since Spectre represents God - who created Nabu - Spectre can literally unmake Nabu if he wishes. And this was a hostless Spectre just like in DoV.

So you can see the inconsistency when it comes to the Spectre. It all depends on the specific era. The really peak versions are Silver Age and Hal Spectre imo. The others weren't particularly impressive (Ostrander's was alright but not quite the omnipotent being some may like to believe him to be), especially DoV and what came after.

Originally posted by operator616
Asmodel is actually known for being delusional. In Paradise Lost he was super confident that he was going to ususrp God and take over heaven only to learn how really delusional he was in the end.

That's quite inconsistent. Back in Spectre's solo series, he one-shotted Nabu twice. It was specifically noted that since Spectre represents God - who created Nabu - Spectre can literally unmake Nabu if he wishes. And this was a hostless Spectre just like in DoV.

So you can see the inconsistency when it comes to the Spectre. It all depends on the specific era. The really peak versions are Silver Age and Hal Spectre imo. The others weren't particularly impressive (Ostrander's was alright but not quite the omnipotent being some may like to believe him to be), especially DoV and what came after.

👆

Yeah. I'm not sure why Abhi would bring up DOV as some sort of great feat just because God interfered and the amount of magic he "destroyed". Which was my issue with what Abhi was actually using.

Like I believe I said, whether Spectre wins against Galactus or not, it's not because of what Abhi is using.

B, ... stoned Glad I passed by high today.

damnation, bran went all armageddon.... shock

Haha, just a few words and you flew off the handle. So typical. Now lets see what do you actually have you pompous buffoon.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
[B]Here comes two word answers that only make you feel good about yourself but answer absolutely nothing.
Yeah right, your opinion sucks, sure sure. You don't even actually address half the things you respond to, all you do is try and hand wave them away. I actually have to look up almost everything I say because I have no idea what you're responding to most of the time. It's that generic. I don't even know why you have an issue with walls of texts when you just post one sentence to anything. And it's not like it's actually a sentence that has any real merit either.
You don't get it, I seriously don't give a **** about what you wrote here either.

So write another essay, why don't ya?

But my "interpretation" is the comics. Yours is some made up Abhi misinterpretation like always. Learn to read comics.
That's what carver says too. Welcome to carver league bran.

Uh...
Bendis wrote Galactus for 6 issues which he largely did nothing in a severely hunger state. Johns is what, somewhere around 50-100 issues with Spectre?
He merged with Gah Lak Tus and still got his ass handed to him. But why does it matter? Even Johns wrote some beastly feats for Spectre. Did Bendis?

Getting beaten by dimensional BFR must've hurt you bran.

It's much the same.

Also your point is that Galactus stood around for 6 issues and this means something. I don't even... you can't even explain your points. It's like you have premade answers that just cover a wide base of things they could be possibly speaking of.

You can't explain it because there is nothing you can spin. How do you spin getting beaten by simple BFR anyway?

And this goes largely towards most of your points. Either that or "I don't like it, didn't happen".
Seriously? Quote where I said anything like that.

Seriously though, based on your words, you're arguing an appearance means anything when you can't even actually explain how this goes back to your point.
You mean you are doing it, right? Because that's a very nice projection right there.

There's no correlation between Galactus/Bendis and Johns/Spectre. You made a shitty comparison and now are utterly refusing to back up your point.
Just because you say so? Sorry bran, the days of you making the rules are long gone.

Not in the least.

I just don't hate him on the level of how much you hate everything not Superman.

Suuuuuuuure.

So what one more high feat? In an arc specifically frowned upon using here?
Does it matter? Where was Galactus then? Oh right, getting his ass raped by a less powerful Krona. The same Krona who the league and Avengers managed to Repel in issue 3. But being not able to use here doesn't mean its non canon. And its all about comparisons. Galactus was a gnat to Krona.

Actually though, any respect thread not posted in by you or Long Pig would be a more suitable replacement for listing to your interpretation. Those people actually have reading abilities.
You are not very good at repeating things. But carry on if it suits your ego.

Also lol at the implication that I have a reliance on respect threads. Apply yourself. Your insults are just like your points. Ill thought out and the first thing you think of.
Ham everything is "No, you" arguments. Nice job.

So what he doesn't? Sarcastically writing it off doesn't actually work when it's true.

Spectre doesn't have a lower average and has no low feats? Because that's the implication of the post.

He does not. But I'm pretty sure even you know that. Show me Galactus even in a fed state turning a skyfather in ice. Heck, show me Galactus oneshotting a skyfather. I'll wait. Here is a hint: They both happened under Johns.

Sure, sure.
Cool story bran.

He's a high feat.

But I knew had I not mentioned him, you would have jumped all over it. So, I figured I'd cut you off. Now, the feat of draining Spectre has nothing to do with this apparently.

I guess it worked... ?[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? I didn't even mention mxy.

Yes, inserting words in my mouth and arguing against them isn't inventing arguments.

- Abhi

Writing a lot of words there bran. Be careful.

It adds to an already unimpressive average. Which is what I've been implying and outright said in my post.
Which it doesn't. You are merely repeating something totally unproven and ignoring any feat Spectre has as high feat.

Here is a hint: Nobody gives a damn.

Also, my initial point to this sequence here is that Johns wrote an unimpressive Spectre. You went all over the place with that until you ended up back here.
And in the process you wrote off any feats Spectre has.

Good job.

Do tell why it's horseshit instead of simply handwaving it away. Impress me Abhi.
If all the feats mentioned here don't impress you, I don't think anything else will. But just like you said Spectre has unimpressive average, I say its horseshit. Prove your stance bran, impress me.

You have no issue "joking" with Spectre recreating all creation, and repeating that around, and naming "high feats" from Johns, but in the face of me saying something apparently really wrong, all you can say is, it's horseshit.
Yes, do you have any problem with it?

Why is it horseshit? Teach me about Spectre's average being really impressive. Tell me why please. Tell me why he doesn't have many low feats outside Johns.
Because it is? Why don't you tell me about all these low feats and how only low feats matter for Spectre. For your kind information, John Ostrander retconned all his low showings from silver age in Martian Manhunter 23 saying that Spectre was always at half power in those issues.

We can contrast afterwards. Tell me why I'm wrong here.
After you, of course. You're the winning one here, right?

I'm not ignoring feats or statements though. Stop digging in your generic answer drawer.

I'm saying God interfering in Spectre's affairs is meaningless. That's what he does. He tells Spectre what to do.

Such a nice dichotomy right here. When was the last time Galactus caught attention of TOAA btw?

You said him catching God's attention means something. Why? Because I was under the impression that "God's Wrath" had a lot of input from "God".
Because it was the only way of stopping him. Unlike dimensional BFR.

He has a direct connection to God. He is not some random being with no direct relations to God, he was actually God's Wrath.
Its still an achievement to catch God's attention when you consider all the instances of Spectre going on rampage and God did nothing.

How does God noticing him mean anything?
Why it doesn't? Just because he is connected to God doesn't mean God is always watching over him.

How is this impressive to you on a level of God? To do it, the most powerful being he killed was Nabu. How does this put him in omnipotent territory or whatever your point is?
Who said he was omnipotent or something? But you're getting desperate here for something you can't spin. Good.

Simply handwaving this away doesn't work. Explain your point for once.
I already have. You may or may not accept it.

What's your actual point here? You're just repeating what I said. Spectre acted like a petulant child and it got God to notice.
Why didn't God acted in any previous rampage of Spectre if that's the only reason?

I am well aware of what he did. I am not aware of how a being directly connected to God having God interfere is something of merit.
Like I said you're not good at repeating things.

But your point is meaningless and you just wasted four separate quotes to NOT actually explain your point, if you actually thought that far. Your handwaving isn't beyond my notice.
Now I have to just laugh at you.

I said
"It's meaningless. It has nothing to do with power, besides the actual battles."

Because it's about what he did, which is what you tried to backtrack to when you mentioned the Ninth Age ending. God's attention is completely meaningless and in no way an attributable feat to Spectre.

Sure, sure. Just because you say so, right?

The actual battles show his power, not the notice of God. But you apparently disagree with this? So why don't you actually say why God noticing him relevant to... anything?
😂

Handwaving.
Handwaving in five paragraphs.

God did not say that. God was in no effected by Spectre ending the Ninth Age. God was not threatened at all. Why is God relevant?
Lots of "whys". Just tell me one thing, if God hadn't stopped him who would have? Why did the writer specifically used God for restraining Spectre. Surely for such a shitty being with such low average, any being could have stopped him.

Why would you bring it up as a good feat under Johns then? You keep backtracking and then repeating yourself.
I didn't. But even in the jobbing, he was able to separate Parallax from Hal.

You brought out a feat and then backtracked when you realized what happened instead of actually admitting you were wrong.
Nope.

Same thing you did with Johns really. You named a bunch of "impressive" things, and then backtracked once any of them were questioned. Except for some reason the power Spectre left lying around from other beings, and a statement Asmodel said where God should fear him. Which... ugh.
Yeah, that really messed up your panties. Worry not. Its still on print and more relevant than your rantings.

Yes. You are. So much.
Revisionist history.

Red herring

Nothing Omega did was beyond Galactus. Also Omega couldn't even actually absorb powers adequately at the time anyway.

He was outright stated to be more powerful than Galactus. And he was fed at the time having destroyed another planet.

But outright lying now, eh?

Did you even look at the actual scan? Like I'll get to this in a second, but do you have an eyesight issue or something? This explains a lot if so.
Mxy hit Spectre over the head with Earth there. I don't get how you completely screwed that up so bad. Not that the interpretation changes much, but that is so hilariously misread. And yet you'll still continue to say you don't misinterpret things.

Anyway, the Earth wasn't even destroyed. All that hit did was destroy a third to a half of Earth

The hit didn't even destroy the planet and it was going downwards.

At that level of power, Mxy could have beaten Spectre by anything. Voltron Celestial killed Galactus with a blast and it didn't do anything to earth which was just in the atmosphere.

http://i.imgur.com/1eQ7HH2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RdtmsVy.jpg

It only made a crater. Not to mention the same voltron celestial was taken out by a portion of Sun's power.

http://i.imgur.com/RMUGAIo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wkgOGXq.jpg

Galactus sucks, amirite?

But anyway, just like two planets with a sizable nuclear device aren't just a normal explosion. Especially when Galactus tanked a nova in the same arc.
Superman survived two planets being pushed by source under the same writer. John Stewart survived a supernova under the same writer. Galactus was in danger of getting killed by a supernova in Infinity Crusade under the same writer. Someone twice as powerful as Galactus died by a planet being destroyed under the same writer. God, galactus sucks.
So, you can argue it wasn't a normal hit, just as you can argue a weakened Galactus taking that explosion wasn't a normal hit.
It was.

Which is my point. Not that you'll agree with it, or say much more than some random handwaving, but yeah. Good job with the attempted lowball there. [/B]

Sure, sure.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No, that's your lack of reading comprehension. You also completely conceded that debate. Why would you bring it up? Hell, you used to say Superman supplied 1/4 of the big bang there and you get offended whenever anyone brings that up. Like I said, slowly phasing things out.
Tell me more of how recaps leaving out characters retcons those characters out of a story... even a year later though.
Lots of "Nuh-uh, its just you" arguments here. But as for you, Spectre created the big bang, right? SO are you saying, you were wrong in that stance?

I said Spectre contributed to the energy released. As did Parallax's energy which was enough on its own. That is your argument as well, only with a distinct selective memory on Parallax's energy being involved.
But Parallax's energy wasn't totally absorbed at that point by the heroes at that point. Your whole point was that Spectre created the big bang and hence Superman wasn't a factor there. Don't tell me you're backtracking now.

So has Galactus contributed in creating a big bang?

Way to use that against me.
It was a pleasure.

Because what you used was shit and you tried to troll me? lol at flew off the handle though. I was completely civil while you started crying.
Again "nuh-uh, it was you". Lulz.
Look at you trying to best mask your tears here though. Now I am the one who is mad. That's some good role reversal role playing you got there. I like how you're trying to complete the masking by trying to seem happy now. You failed to make me mad and now you're not mad and I am.
Ahahaha. Let me do that again.

Bwahahahahahahahaa. So many tears from you. Its quite delicious.

Do you think typing words is flying off the handle or something? Everytime you lose a debate with me you always go "Oh essay", to make you feel better. It's called being thorough. Not making up random shit and answer largely with two words to make you feel better about yourself.

"Sure sure"

Everytime you do the same thing. Write an essay, get the last word and declare yourself a winner because I didn't cared enough to write an essay back.

No more though. See how far your inflated ego can take you with these empty words.

Yes, that naturally goes against something. That's called an inability to answer Abhi. 😉
Or not caring enough to repeat something. But sure, sure.

Why are you projecting your feelings onto me? You're the one who cries due to civil posts.
I'm not the one who flew off the handle and posted five essays here just because of a few words I said. Look into a mirror bran.

All I'm saying is your point is retarded. The fact that you're using such a blatant display of hyperbole is pathetic. Your stupidity did not strike a nerve just because I pointed out it was stupid. You're not quan... which is oddly a compliment.
So, handwaving it away? Good. That only means you've no argument left.

But since you continue to defend this...

Show me the feats of Asmodel Spectre that would even singe God's robe. If it's not hyperbole, then surely you have feats on hand that would cause alarm to God? Surely you can actually back this statement up?

What did Spectre Asmodel do that would cause God to fear them?

I don't get why you just don't post a picture of a hand waving in the air as your response here. It'd save a lot of time since you're not contributing anything here. Just an attempt to get the last word to try and cement your points... that you just refuse to back up any of them.

Its a direct statement of power from Asmodel. You don't like it? Go sue Geoff Johns about how he dared to write it.

Don't cry to me. Gotcha?

There's some admittance. Glad you finally confessed to something.
Glad you accepted that statement. Now wipe off your tears.

Swearing does not mean you struck a nerve. Half of my posts speak of shit.
Of course it did. You are so civil, as you've repeatedly said here. Civil people don't swear bran.

But sure you did. I'm mad. Eat a dick. Eat a dick. Like I give a shit. Who gives a shit. I don't give a shit about your opinions, etc.
Sure, sure.

Sure thing.
Sure, sure.

Did you make in your diaper?
Did you make in your tampons?

I was going to look into this but then I realized I just don't care as it makes no difference. In any case, scan?
Alex Luthor was recreating infinite universes before Crisis. That was his goal all along. But sure.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123877/3195696-comicvine.jpg

I was thinking the same thing. You realize you just quoted me summarizing that scene like 2 separated posts below?
Did I?

[b]Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that. Then it was Brother Eye that basically reshaped the universes from memory. Then Alex needed an access point to accomplish this outside the tower as well

Do you just start typing before you actually read the post or something? I thought you'd at least read the posts that you have to separate but bad assumption on my part? Like, as bad as that sounds, it's better than actually reading it and then thinking it stands.

But yes, if I've given the impression that I don't have to try with you, then that's because you're literally quoting a part of my post that says I don't have to try with you.

Like you can't set this shit up any better. This whole section is amazing to me. It's "Bat-Mite throwing a planet at Spectre" all over again.

Let me guess your response here. 3 options.

"Whatever"
"Yeah right"
"Sure sure

That's a lot of words to handwave the feat away. Good, you're making progress. Concession accepted BTW.

An old assumption that's been kicking around for a while.[

That Anti-Monitor still had a bunch of matter and anti matter in him, enough to jumpstart a multiverse. It's an idea that's been kicking around, and supported by the "anti matter and positive matter".

Though it's not my personal belief. Just thought I'd throw that in there considering you're going to one word this section, and your one words are largely ignorable. /quote] While Alex flat out said that it was the magic in the universe? Good job bran.

[quote]The post you're quoting says this:

"Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that."

I just... it's just. How... ?

Do you even know how to read?

And your point being? That somehow "energy" used to power it is somehow not applicable to the quantity of energy?

Yes it was. Couple that with it never actually stating if the fuel created the universes.
Haha, this is just idiotic. Alex flat out said that for creating the multiverse he needed energy and that came from magic.

That's why I call you a buffoon. You deserve it.

Which is entirely possible if you assume it was just a high powered tuning fork that retrieved the universes from hiding and Brother Eye's mapping found them.
And the energy to do so came from something Spectre did. You're trying your hardest to deny a flat out statement. Guess what, it also came from Johns.

Some shitty average, eh?

The only part that's unexplainable in this situation is the "everything comes from Superman", but that's not really adequately explained any way you look at it. It just is.

Just giving other scenerios where "I would be wrong". Because I think about other angles instead of just writing things off because I don't like them. I think too much. You think too little or not at all.

Are you drunk or something? How does any of this relates to Spectre destroying enough magic to create an infinite multiverse?

It is though. The power being used there was not the Spectre's. The power being used there was not from one being the Spectre killed.
The power being used there was from what, 6 months of Spectre murdering magic users? I'd give the actual timeframe but it doesn't matter. Hopefully you will actually say something worthwhile here... ?
Does that somehow diminishes what spectre did? When Galactus rampages across universe and destroy enough powerful beings to recreate entire multiverse, wake me up.

How the **** is this relevant to Spectre? He killed a lot of beings. He did not face down all this power at once. He faced a lot of beings that contributed to this power over a timeframe.
And? It shows just how powerful those beings were. The last time Galactus died, he made a star. Evn if he killed say a million magic users, the power they released for creating an entire multiverse is staggering. Its all about averages Bran.

Explain how you think this counts. Don't just handwave this away. If you think it counts so much, then explain why you think it counts.
Explain to me why it doesn't counts though? I explained it already. You're just too dumb to accept it.

At this stage in time I am curious if you can actually explain your logic of half the things you said considering the hole you've dug for yourself.
Again "nuh-uh, its you".

😂

What? How is that circular logic?
😂

Just hilarious at this point. Keep digging that hole though.

To do that all I have to be is completely civil apparently. I guess low feats won't do it.
Nah, you just have to shut up.

Maybe you can get really mad at these posts? I'm kind of being friendly? Wait and see I guess abby. You never know when you'll flip your shit.
Sure, sure.

That Spectre can't kill Nabu without additional power, with an unspecified powerup when his normal form couldn't destroy Dr Fate?
Nabu is the most powerful Lord of Order. Krona with all the power in JLA/Avengers was just a peer to Kismet as shown in Trinity who is canonical peer of eternity under the same writer.

See how that goes? Also Spectre casually destroyed Dr. Fate under Johns when he was curbstomping Mordru and actually imprisoned Nabu. Under Johns no less.

Shitty average.

But yes, I have no problem with him killing Nabu. Use that feat instead of pooled energies. Nabu still isn't exactly a great feat when not only are you using it in a way to show Spectre's power because of the pooled energy, but he was also the most powerful being Spectre killed when you're using it in some way to show Spectre's power is enough to get God to notice. [/B]

Spectre killed someone who is above Eternity's peer. Why is it bad again?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2021.jpg

"I wasn't powerful to destroy you last we met... but now I am!"

In the same page Nabu says Spectre is deluded. So hard to read for you, right?

And considering he fought Dr Fate at the height of his powers in issue 2 of Day of Vengeance, and he got more powerful per his own admission (hell he later admitted that he thought he destroyed a lot of magic when asked how much he absorbed, but right here he says he got more powerful, which means he didn't go overboard but still absorbed power), then that means he was absorbing magic. You say he merely absorbed all energy he could off the Rock of Eternity, the Baubles, and Shazam to get back to full power, which means he was absorbing energy outside of that fight. 🙂
Are you alright or did you hit your head? Spectre fought Fate in JSA 74 and casually defeated him. He turned Phantom Stranger in a mouse, casually oneshotted Thunderbolt, casually defeated Dr Fate and the closest anybody came to defeat him were Cap with the magic of entire universe and Shazam.

Here is how he dealt with Nabu imprisoning, Mordru stomping Dr. Fate. Shitty average.

That only adds to how powerful Nabu was. Its not a bad showing for Spectre, its a very high showing for Nabu.

Which means you're wrong. He was absorbing magic, though not in severe excess to a point where he could easily kill Nabu. It wasn't all his power.
And it shows how powerful Nabu was. Not that Spectre was weak. He was stomping skyfather level being effortlessly, unless you think Phantom Stranger and Thunderbolt are not skyfather level.

And then he either absorbed a shit load of random magic, or focused it into an attack to destroy Nabu. So we have 1 fight where he outright absorbs a bunch of power, 1 fight where he channels a whole bunch in a wild attack, and an admittance of getting more powerful where you think he merely got to full power, which means he was absorbing more under your logic.

But all that aside, why wouldn't he absorb magic after seeing what it could do? Is Spectre also completely retarded under your pen as well? And he just desperately created that last attack against Nabu in that moment as well?

Why are you saying it like its a low showing for Spectre. Nabu is after all above people like Kismet and Eternity.

Canonically.

So basically, Spectre was getting more powerful at the very least after the Shazam fight where he started killed the big dawgs.

And you're not even using the fights as feats for Spectre is the main thing. No, what you're using is all the pooled energy from Spectre's rampage as the feat.

Yes, I am. Unless you think only shazam and Nabu had enough power to give so much power that entire multiverse was created by it. In that case, lulz.

Is this supposed to be an insult though? Like you've said this many times to me. Is this some fantasy version of an insult for you?

Ouch, you got me though. How dare I actually address things? Tell me how much of a smart, strong, handsome man I am to really put me in my place.

Yes, it was an insult. Happy?

Well, Galactus can teleport across dimensional planes so...
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/Alpha_Flight_v1_099_03.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/misc/Alpha_Flight_v1_099_04.jpg
Not out of N zone, he can't. Canon.

Also, how is not having a soul is as relevant as bfr? Simply being something is the same as an offensive attack? How does that work?
Because spectre can just BFR him even if he does not has a soul. He couldn't do it to Nekron.

But Nekron would push Galactus' shit in. So meh either ways.


All I'm saying is that Galactus' status gives some defense from Spectre. Interesting if he could make him poof due to it though.
Next you would say he could beat Nekron too. Remember how it went against Mikaboshi? Or Zeus powered by Mikaboshi?

Ouch.

The N-zone doesn't exist in a neutral battlezone.
Of course it does. The neutral battlezone has properties of both DC and Marvel universes. Its not even any special dimension like Phantom Zone.

Also, I forgot why you kept bringing up Bendis. It was so you could use this feat, of which you seem to mention quite a bit.
And why can't I? Is it non canon or something?

You literally quote my point later. You literally agree with my point, and disagree with it shortly after this. Like... what the **** is even going on?
What? I said Crispus was holding back his power the entire time he was spectre. You tried using it as if he was holding back his power in Revelations only.

"yeah right"

Since it never said he effected any creation beyond the Earth? Maybe?
Did you even read Final Crisis? The ALE was effecting entire multiverse. We literally saw entire multiverse going into a black hole.

Since when do we no limits fallacy a feat that was only stated to be planetary in scope when no actual mention of it being beyond that exists in the series? Even in the statement you're randomly applying, it outright says "In the [b]entirety of creation". Where the **** was that stated when Cain did that?
"God's creation", "creation" is just earth.

I don't even know what's wrong with you. Are you autistic or something?

Don't you go ballistic everytime Mr Master mentions that Hotu destroyed the omniverse... when he actually has way more proof than you?

Hypocrisy?

Because its contradicted everytime by saying it was just a universe. When HOTU remade entire "God's creation"?

You disagree with me directly below and above. I don't... I am legitimately confused here. Do you not have any reading comprehension at all?

Here you are agreeing with me at the time you attack me:

Because I've never been speaking of his previous feats, get some reading komprehension.[/quote] You first.

I've said multiple times that Krispus being weaker was irrelevant konsidering when he did the aktual feat he wasn't limiting himself anymore.
And?

In the initial "remake kreation" feat, Krispus wasn't there to limit Spektre. In the next part when he kame bakk, he "remade kreation" therefore bypassing his limitations he set upon himself.
Good job reading a scan for once.

Like, how are you even missing this? Him being weaker is irrelevant konsidering when he did the feats he was not.
Did you even read what I said? I guess no.

"Yeah, right"

This post for you. But last post didn't seem to go so well for your well being. Glad you got over that though.

I'm glad you vent up all your anger. Kool story bran.

Deflektion
Khill bran.

So it never said "all kreation" in response to the feat? And you agree with it?
"God's creation". Handwave that away bran.

So you're just accepting a blind logik jump just because you hate the aktual feat?
Wut?


You flipped your lid bekause of me disproving it. Don't projekt your butthurt onto me just because you're not mad anymore.
You flew out off your handle because I actually tried to speak of some feats for Spectre. That's real butthurt right there.

You reposted the skans which in no way aktually say he akkomplished rekreating all reality. If you had a direkt statement, you'd have posted it.
It did.

Just because you're not able to accept it, doesn't means its invalid. 'God's creation" bran. It chafes, doesn't it?

It direktly expanded on what kreation meant in that instance. It blatantly stated how it was only planetary. Not to mention we aktually see the effekt only spread on the planet which you ignored.
So are you saying all the universes shown in Final Crisis affected by ALE were not actually affected by ALE?

Way to go bran.

What you're saying is this is what the comiks says "Remake the omniverse, remake Earth."
Which is a direkt step down.
"God's creation".

"Kreation" isn't a blanket statement to include absolutely you feel like using. There's a reason "Entirety of Kreation" was added in the "universes" part, and there's a reason why it wasn't inkluded in the Earth feat.
"God's creation", universes included in the same arc. Somehow writer forgot about that. Only bran remembered it of course.

You need proof that it extended to absolutely everything, not the opposite. You do not have that except an unkonnected statement, not related to the feat.

Not only is "kreation" whittled down to Earth in every instance of the feat, but we again, see the spread of it:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2005%20Page%20002.jpg

In the very same scan it says "God created heaven and earth".

Somehow God forgot adding 'heaven" when he considered what's "God's creation".

That's going to take a while to spread to other universes... [/B]

Damn internet. Again lots of words and so little meaning from you. Typical.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
[B]Again, kreation isn't a blanket statement just for you to add whatever fantasy you want into the feat.

But "Everything" is God's kreation. That doesn't mean any mention of "Kreation" means absolutely everything. Her calling Kain God's kreation for example doesn't mean he's a multiverse, just like them calling Earth God's kreation doesn't mean a multiverse.

Every scan you add just makes its clear you only read what you want to.

"God created heaven and earth".-Comic

"No, God only created earth".- Bran.

Good job explaining your own buffoonery.

Heh, it was specifikally stated of what they were speaking about in that instance. You no limiting it doesn't work.
Why don't you write an essay about it too? And post a contradictory scan while you're at it.

I'm not erasing anything, I'm just not using no limit fallacies.
No. You can't erase anything anyway. You're just butthurt.

Well, looks like we agree. All you do is shit on Marvel, and even DC when it direktly relates to Superman.
Sure, sure.

Oh, my longstanding hatred of Spektre of which you kan find so much evidence pales in komparison to your history. It's that's simple really.
Yup. Glad you admit it.

Unless I misunderstand... you being wrong is funny? You seem to have bipolar if it just made you mad earlier. But whatever I guess.
Unless I find the quote laughable. You are teh smart one, figure it out.

Laughable attempt at projekting.
Sure, sure.

Do you want to play a game. Which one of us has a statement direktly pertaining to the skope of the feat?
I do. "Remake creation". Simple as that.

Let's see, me with a world, or you with it saying he remade the multiverse?

I see so what you're saying is that Spektre directly remade Kain in that instance. Then he unmade Kain when Krispus kame bakk. Then, that still wasn't enough so he had to pass judgement on his separately because his unmaking of Kain apparently had absolutely no effekt?

"k, Haha wtf"

Exaktly. Your logik leads to terrible places.

So now he didn't even remade earth IYO? Since Cain was on earth but as you think Cain wasn't remade, so earth wasn't remade too.

You just invalidated the entire comic. Good job bran.

You don't have any logic here. You're just blindly grasping to anything to deny the actual statement.

To be honest, I was thinking the same thing with you and just writing "no" to everything.
Its a better logic than your actual arguments though.

"Oh, Sure why not" is not why Spektre would beat Galaktus. Neither is blatant misinterpretation of feats.
But he would. Stomp him more like it.

You may not agree. But comics show that blatantly.

See, your argument as to why Spektre wins is because of pooled magik that wasn't his. God interfering and giving him a host. And him "remaking" a planet.
No, actually beating characters who are powerful on their own.

But since a small portion of power from sun outperformed Galactus.................

More, to the point, that's not a good argument at all. Spektre can win sure, no denying that, but not with your terrible examples. It'd be like someone saying Hulk beats Wolverine because he kan send shokkwaves through dimensions... lokation not a faktor.
Specre not just "can" win. He would stomp Galactus.

Eh? Because you inkluded a kompletely butchered viewpoint of a feat to kall me out with it. Everything else is an extension of that.

Look, I'm just saying it's not supposed to be used.

Nobody gives a shit.

Like he separated two universes though in any kase. That puts him just a couple steps above Hyperion.
Hyperion didn't separate the universes. IG did. And got destroyed in process. Spectre>>>IG I guess.

Caring about it though, you add one more high feat, yet you outright ignore posting anything else pertaining to "high feats". I kan see why this is so important to you. If that's the only addition you can really use, then...
I can. But you'll just ignore "high feats".

I wonder how many such high feats Galactus has.

"Everyone it was a joke post" loses all merit when you use it again, and then get really "I'm mad" upset about it when questioned.

[quote]"Look I was just joking... that's why I reposted it and got really butthurt when it was questioned."

Everyone knows about you "joke" posts. Tell me more about how Thor was in a really really really specifik timeframe and in no way had an immortal kurse on at the time. And how he definitely died. People know things about you here.

Yes, you are a jokester supreme. Among other "jokes". Tell me more about how much you want you want to lowball kharacters as a joke and then seriously use them down the line or in the same instance.[/quote] But who is actually mad here? You or I? I used your name once in that thread as a joke almost one year ago and totally forgot about it.

You're the one who brought it out of nowhere.

Good job explaining your buffoonery once again.

See, maybe so. But in this kase it's your obsession of me.
Is it? I just challenged every surfer fan in the other thread including you. You're the one who flew out of handle.

For what does it look like when someone pretty much posts the same thing in response to the same person many months apart with no indication of the other poster both times?
Yeah, the joke was funny.

And, you love me dawg, and you want me deep in your rectum.
Projektion.

Right. That's quite evident. Everyone knows you have severe issues with properly read scenes. Do you read the scene right at first and then go "you know what, I'm not a fan of how this reads. Here's the new way it's going, and I don't give a shit who disagrees with me!"
Another prrojektion. Good job.

Truth be told, but yeah, the whole "I don't give a shit angle" doesn't work when you flip out about it, and later regain your composure like nothing ever happened.
But I don't give a shit about what you think. Never have, never will.

Says the guy literally relying a no limits fallacy. Found a picture of you by accident today.
Projektion.

Are you under the opinion that a Lady Sphinx who basikally just got the gem was more powerful than Man Sphinx who had it since ancient Egypt and had a Worldmind powerup in addition which she lakked?
Yes. Different writers have different opinions of power of characters. You actually don't know that.
As if it needed to be stated, she was only using the power she stole from Sphinx, while again lakking the Worldwind upgrade:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/NewWar-48-11.jpg

Now, the Ka Stone was said to be able to kreate universes, of which you already admitted to:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/NewWar-47-16.jpg

"I could create universes".

Hal said he wielded power to create universes as Green lantern and Parallax. He compared that power to spectre as of a candle and a sun.

So?

Don't see how you can't say Lady Sphinx was actually in a weaker state, with less experience than Sphinx.
Just like Hal said it, right?

The aktual statement that exists of it saying she rekreated all reality. Besides that, we have statements which specifically mention "all of time", and other realities in the original story. It's amazing how you missed the parallels here, but that's to be expekted.
Per Degaton has recreated entire universe by meddling in history. Some real power right there.

Realistically, by all means the original feat was only planetary, with an ability to no limits it like you're doing. The issue is however, that it was actually retkonned in the handbooks, and in that issue it seemingly retkonned it as well. But it's funny how it aktually direktly has statements to say "all reality", and you won't accept that, but you'll accept Spektre doing it. Basically, Lady Sphinx has a higher claim to "all reality" than Spektre does, so if you accept Spektres, then you'd think you'd have to accept Lady Sphinx's. At least she was said to be able kreate universe and rekreate all reality in direkt relation to the feat... Spektre was not.
Yeah, because it was directly stated to be the only one reality by changing time. But I like how Sphinx's feat is directly transferable to Galactus.

Good job again.

As for Parallax, good, then use that feat. This is what I meant by your argument not being convincing. You use a made up feat in your own mind as opposed to an aktual real feat of fighting "Multiverse" Parallax.
But its a high feat. How can we use it?

Per what you used this whole time with aktual feats before this, Spektre beats Galaktus because... he separated two universes?
And he regularly fought a being who destroyed universes and not get his shit pushed in everytime like Galactus.

There'd be a lot less issue with you using high feats only, but accepting you're doing so, instead of making up feats, using complete non feats, and using pooled energies from a rampage. Like in my opening premise. It seems Spektre wins going by high feats only. It would be a possible great fight however if you use averages. That's all I initially wished to say, but you know me, hard to resist a moron spouting moronic babble.
But like you said everything outside Johns is a high feat for Spectre and not really adds in his average.

So how can we use it?

Honestly, your mind is a komplex weave indeed. You really need that "rekreate reality" feat though with no aktual direkt proof. It's throwing me all over the place.
I've given you plenty of other feats.

Just because you don't like it doesn't means its not given.

Everyone can see what a comforting thought that would be. At least I'll know your body will be warm. 😉

Makes me already feel special knowing I'm your hukkleberry.

I love all the projekting some more arguments onto me. "Yeah well, Bendis! Haha, I got u. Now I'm here for you, let me touch your penis please." [/B]

So much gheyness.

😂