Originally posted by Genii96
Um,the fact that it actually succeeded in doing so means it did its job,ur using hulkbuster to justify the god killer armor?The mere fact it killed so many velestials proves its power,so what exactly is your argument?
Speaking of which, Thunderbolt has some of the most beastly feats for any skyfather level character. He would most likely push Odin's shit in a fight.
Spectre oneshotted him. Under Johns.
Shitty average.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That celestials suck? I mean that's what the logic for saying Spectre loses here after all.Speaking of which, Thunderbolt has some of the most beastly feats for any skyfather level character. He would most likely push Odin's shit in a fight.
Spectre oneshotted him. Under Johns.
Shitty average.
They suck how exactly? Only time they lose is if some plot device or higher power is brought up. I believe I never said spectre sucks either,though he is a well known jobber.
Oneshotting a guy who is skyfather level is supposed to be impressive to a celestial?.
Originally posted by Genii96
They suck how exactly? Only time they lose is if some plot device or higher power is brought up. I believe I never said spectre sucks either,though he is a well known jobber.Oneshotting a guy who is skyfather level is supposed to be impressive to a celestial?.
Spectre just enchants his fist and kills them all.
How about that?
Considering they have never oneshotted a skyfather? Yes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like a random spell from Asgard?Spectre just enchants his fist and kills them all.
How about that?
Considering they have never oneshotted a skyfather? Yes.
Yea something like that,which seemed to affect celestials very badly
Considering what arishem did to 3 skyfathers,and how they thrashed the destroyer armour with the power of just about every asgardian and 1000 years of prep,sky father level is useless
You think spectre could kill scathan or tiamut after his ascension? Or would kill several million celestials at once?
Originally posted by Genii96
Yea something like that,which seemed to affect celestials very badlyConsidering what arishem did to 3 skyfathers,and how they thrashed the destroyer armour with the power of just about every asgardian and 1000 years of prep,sky father level is useless
You think spectre could kill scathan or tiamut after his ascension? Or would kill several million celestials at once?
Arishem did not oneshotted any skyfather last I remember. Heck, they did not even oneshotted Thor.
Scathan isn't a celestial in the current timeline.
Considering Tiamut was killed by an Exterminator, I'd say so.
Originally posted by abhilegendFlew off the handle? The amount of made up fantasy in your posts are pretty high.
Haha, just a few words and you flew off the handle. So typical. Now lets see what do you actually have you pompous buffoon.You don't get it, I seriously don't give a **** about what you wrote here either.
So write another essay, why don't ya?
You don't give a shit yet you really want my opinion of everything.
See, you complain about essays yet you think merely posting handwaving sentences makes up for it. Look at you bragging that you've posting a 7 post reply when your post only adds up to 1.5 limit breaking posts without the benefits of my posts adding in. In your mind you think you've posted some huge post that is inarguable, yet you think apparently giving me compliments on "essays" is something that's going to hurt my feelings?
"He wants to post essays, I'll show him an essay... spread out into single sentences along 7 posts, and then I'll mock him about essays."
Since a lot of the reason I responded to all your handwaving was because of adding in a message, I won't be directly addressing your handwaving here considering all it is is "No" posts. It's just a big circle. I think colors would be best to respond to anything that actually has a point or you actually try in... how many colors you see depends on how many points are even worth replying to. Which I get pretty generous of what's actually worth replying to I'll admit.
And in case you're wondering because you even accuse me of simply saying "nuh uh", there's a difference between merely saying "NO!" in verbatim and actually explaining why you disagree and going through it thoroughly. I'm actually using logic as opposed to simply disagreeing. You might not disagree with it, but even a child should be able to tell the difference between your handwaving and me disagreeing. And that's not bias on my part, that's just using a better way to go about things. You think merely adding a sentence without explaining why you disagree is enough to overrule something purely because you replied to it. I don't, which is why I go in depth and you don't.
And yes, everything I already said that you simply tried to handwave away would still apply considering you didn't even attempt to go against it besides just covering your ears and screaming no. I don't even need to reply here besides a couple things because you've brought nothing to the table except a big giant whiney NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You're even replying to parts of my post asking you to explain your handwaving where you just disagree without explaining why. You even accuse me of doing it when you're replying to me saying you're doing it. 😂
Hell at the start of your post you reply to something where I said Johns wrote 50-100 issues of Spectre and Bendis wrote 6 issues and I asked you to explain why they're the same. You didn't even try. I don't know if you're trolling or what at this point in time but you're absolutely awful at debating either way.
How to debate like Abhi:
"I'm rubber you're glue"
*Also, while you might write two sentences instead of a single one here, the thought is the same. It's just pointless to distinguish it
Originally posted by abhilegendSingle sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
That's what carver says too. Welcome to carver league bran.He merged with Gah Lak Tus and still got his ass handed to him. But why does it matter? Even Johns wrote some beastly feats for Spectre. Did Bendis?
Getting beaten by dimensional BFR must've hurt you bran.
You can't explain it because there is nothing you can spin. How do you spin getting beaten by simple BFR anyway?
Seriously? Quote where I said anything like that.
You mean you are doing it, right? Because that's a very nice projection right there.
Just because you say so? Sorry bran, the days of you making the rules are long gone.
Suuuuuuuure.
Does it matter? Where was Galactus then? Oh right, getting his ass raped by a less powerful Krona. The same Krona who the league and Avengers managed to Repel in issue 3. But being not able to use here doesn't mean its non canon. And its all about comparisons. Galactus was a gnat to Krona.
You are not very good at repeating things. But carry on if it suits your ego.
Ham everything is "No, you" arguments. Nice job.
He does not. But I'm pretty sure even you know that. Show me Galactus even in a fed state turning a skyfather in ice. Heck, show me Galactus oneshotting a skyfather. I'll wait. Here is a hint: They both happened under Johns.
Cool story bran.
What are you talking about? I didn't even mention mxy.
Writing a lot of words there bran. Be careful.
Which it doesn't. You are merely repeating something totally unproven and ignoring any feat Spectre has as high feat.
Here is a hint: Nobody gives a damn.
Him merging with Gah Lak Tus wasn't even under Bendis you big stupid idiot. That Galactus tanked a supernova as well and was "defeated" (Gah Lak Tus forcefully ripped from him) by having being hit by a weapon that ripped through universes on him and all that did was make him hungry. Hell, that "superweapon" lead directly into his hunger state under Bendis' pen.
And yes, Johns did write some beastly feats for Spectre (though it was against characters he underwrote anyway), but when your argument is that Johns shit on Spectre for the many many appearances he wrote of him that doesn't compare to Bendis writing 6 issues of 616 Galactus. I really don't understand how you feel this is even a comparison. He wrote Galactus standing around for 6 issues to get BFR'ed at the end. That's it. Johns wrote many many arcs involving Spectre with many many low feats in there that even yourself admit.
And it's not like Bendis even wrote Galactus low either. He took an incredibly hungry Galactus and bfr'ed him. You're going on basically one low showing IYO and comparing it to many low showings. How do you even think this works out to the same thing? How was Bendis as important a figure in Galactus as Johns was in Spectre? You still haven't explained this. You haven't even begun to explain this besides repeating it.
It's a stupid thing to defeat Galactus, I never disagreed with, but there's nothing exactly low in that except Galactus' power getting forgotten. You're trying to add words into my mouth there. A dimensional BFR is a lot better than actually losing... unless you think Superman getting BFR'ed by Surfer immediately means something in a Superman/Surfer thread.
Just because you think it's low, doesn't mean I do as well. I just think Bendis blatantly disregarded his powers.
lol at spinning though. Your entire part here is you trying to spin this into something I think. And to spin Bendis/Galactus into the same thing as Johns/Spectre. And you continue to ignore me actually asking you why it would even start to be the same thing.
Well the first part is me saying you can't even begin to explain your points, so I'd have to quote nearly everything you said. 😬
But as for the "I don't like it, it didn't happen" you do, well let's take a random peak here:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Johns did nothing to Spectre. The main writers of Spectre are Dematteis and Ostrander. Johns didn't do anything with the spectre except making him job.
Which is funny considering you're now championing Johns Spectre. Consistency
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
It's not even canon to Galactus. And everytime you bring it up you get yelled at by the mods. Like, you're a huge glutton for punishment.
It's not like Krona even attacked Spectre anyway.
But yes like I said, it'd be another high feat. Of which you've used essentially nothing to try and override an average or whatever the **** you're doing at this stage in time. I've already admitted using high feats only for Spectre he can win. I've asked you for high feats because it factors into an average of which you've just tried to ignore this entire time. You even try and flip the script later because you refuse to acknowledge that Spectre's history as a whole might not be as impressive as you're trying to portray... or at least until you get the chance to shit on Spectre when it directly threatens Superman in the future.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Did you just say Spectre doesn't have a lower average than what you're saying and he has no low feats? Jesus Christ the delusion here. You've already blatantly admitted Johns only wrote low feats, and now you're saying he has no low feats? Talk about changing arguments completely.
But anyway, curious if ripping a fully intact Celestial counts under your specific questions.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
How stupid are you? I merely mentioned a high feat for Spectre and then posted your prior opinion on it before you could bring it up. I only posted it to cut you off from championing it. Now you're playing stupid, which I guess is to be expected.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why time 3
Originally posted by abhilegendI didn't write off any feats Spectre has done. In fact I've outright stated he had decent highs. I'm just saying there's a lot of bad in there that you have to sift through. There's a reason posts like this exist:
And in the process you wrote off any feats Spectre has.Good job.
If all the feats mentioned here don't impress you, I don't think anything else will. But just like you said Spectre has unimpressive average, I say its horseshit. Prove your stance bran, impress me.
Yes, do you have any problem with it?
Because it is? Why don't you tell me about all these low feats and how only low feats matter for Spectre. For your kind information, John Ostrander retconned all his low showings from silver age in Martian Manhunter 23 saying that Spectre was always at half power in those issues.
After you, of course. You're the winning one here, right?
Such a nice dichotomy right here. When was the last time Galactus caught attention of TOAA btw?
Because it was the only way of stopping him. Unlike dimensional BFR.
Its still an achievement to catch God's attention when you consider all the instances of Spectre going on rampage and God did nothing.
Why it doesn't? Just because he is connected to God doesn't mean God is always watching over him.
Who said he was omnipotent or something? But you're getting desperate here for something you can't spin. Good.
I already have. You may or may not accept it.
Why didn't God acted in any previous rampage of Spectre if that's the only reason?
Like I said you're not good at repeating things.
Now I have to just laugh at you.
Sure, sure. Just because you say so, right?
😂
Handwaving in five paragraphs.
Lots of "whys". Just tell me one thing, if God hadn't stopped him who would have? Why did the writer specifically used God for restraining Spectre. Surely for such a shitty being with such low average, any being could have stopped him.
I didn't. But even in the jobbing, he was able to separate Parallax from Hal.
Nope.
Yeah, that really messed up your panties. Worry not. Its still on print and more relevant than your rantings.
Revisionist history.
He was outright stated to be more powerful than Galactus. And he was fed at the time having destroyed another planet.
http://i.imgur.com/M6qNyDp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hMHpPs7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2WhKgqU.jpg
But outright lying now, eh?
At that level of power, Mxy could have beaten Spectre by anything. Voltron Celestial killed Galactus with a blast and it didn't do anything to earth which was just in the atmosphere.
http://i.imgur.com/1eQ7HH2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RdtmsVy.jpgIt only made a crater. Not to mention the same voltron celestial was taken out by a portion of Sun's power.
http://i.imgur.com/RMUGAIo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wkgOGXq.jpg
Galactus sucks, amirite?
Superman survived two planets being pushed by source under the same writer. John Stewart survived a supernova under the same writer. Galactus was in danger of getting killed by a supernova in Infinity Crusade under the same writer. Someone twice as powerful as Galactus died by a planet being destroyed under the same writer. God, galactus sucks.
It was.Sure, sure.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"The weakest Spectre"
"Spectre's highest feat"Do I need to look at this to point out the issue here?
Like I said, wading through an awful lot of garbage. At least Galactus has an excuse, Spectre is just beaten up for no reason
Originally posted by cdtm
Hey, just because he had trouble with Anti Monitor.And Nekron.
And Abraxus.
And Parallax.
And a big yellow bug.
And Joker.
And... Libra. 🙄
The best Spectre's ever looked was vs Great Evil Beast. Got chewed up and spat out as usual, of course, but Moore did a really good job building him into this beast of a cosmic god, like no one's ever really done with him..
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
King of TearAnd Neron
And Lkz
And Cain
And the Butcher
And the Rainbow Corps
And Kulak
And Radiant
And Eclipso
Yeah. You could go on for a while. Spectre is pretty unimpressive. Decent highs. A lot of lows. His highest feats are losing to Michael...
He's basically a more powerful Martian Manhunter. One day I might look through all his appearances to see the full extent.
Considering you're now of the opinion that Spectre has no low feats at all even though you admitted he did earlier, it would seem pretty controversial to you.
But it's hilarious how you just gave up and just said "you first" after I asked you to prove your stance. I have no problem doing so, but I asked you first and you just deflected that with no shame.
Even his DOV showing that you're using for whatever reason that you can't explain why it applies besides your pride isn't very impressive when you're dealing with this level. In fact, that story is the whole reason people think Spectre is a Skyfather level being. Oh yeah, pooled energy and God!
He has decent highs in a small quantity, bad lows, and then he has showings where he just gets raped by really powerful beings. And then feats where he looks decent, but he's doing it to people far below him. Which doesn't paint this "Beyond Celestial Race" shit you're trying to portray here. If we're solely talking high feats, then I've no issue saying he beats Galactus... which I've stated before. If we're talking full histories, then it becomes muddied, of which I'm undecided who wins at this stage. Which I've stated before. I don't know what you're having trouble with, though with your ability to not understand anything it makes sense.
I'm not saying his high feats don't impress me, I'm saying give me some actual high feats in a decent quantity to overwrite what every other feat portrays. Averages aren't decided solely by like 5-ish high feats. The fact that posts like this exist from you when it's in favor of a different DC character vs a Marvel one farther proves your hypocrisy:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Half helm fate knocked out Spectre with a headbutt.uhuh
http://i.imgur.com/ZogNBOl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pr9u50a.jpg
Low showings are alright as long as it causes Marvel characters to lose.
Well, considering you're trying to handwave away something with "it's horseshit", I think most would assume that doesn't answer anything. Which explains this whole argument. You simply won't explain anything and you think a single sentence without explaining anything defeats a point.
I'm not saying only low feats matter for Spectre. I'm saying they factor into an average. And considering I don't think his average feats are too impressive on this level, it factors in even more. I'm saying that you have to make a separation between average Spectre and high feats only Spectre. Hell, didn't you just whine and complain about Galactus being involved in a multiversal destroying fight and act like it shouldn't count, which if you weren't such a hypocrite, it'd seem you'd agree with my basic idea. If you're going to make such claims however, it's relevant to include what exactly you're using. And you utterly refuse to even budge on that because you're a massive egotistical prick who never admits he's wrong.
"Spectre's average is so high, look at these high feats while I change my argument into saying he has no low feats."
Just like JMD tried to retcon Galactus into having no form and he takes form to manifest to lesser beings. It didn't stick. However, him retconning Spectre's power is completely irrelevant as he never got the power back (until Jim Corrigan died anyway). But that's just looking at one page. Let's actually get a real answer between this instead of OMG RETCON SPECTRE TOUGH
In fact, it was only Phantom Stranger who appeared in 2 pages that issue who said it... and it took half of Spectre's power to keep the Jim Corrigan avatar alive who then manifested that power himself. Which considering how in depth they didn't go with PS retconning Spectre's history away, it would seem that Jim when he's with Spectre is full power, and Unbound Spectre with Jim still alive is only half power. But is that my assumption, or is that what happened?
Here's the full scene:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p12.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p13.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p14.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p15.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p16.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p17.jpg.html
IE, everything PS said was correct, but only when Spectre and Jim were separate. That would seem a pretty logical take of the events, no? But the issue takes it a step farther:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/martianmanhunter23p20.jpg.html
Jim-Spectre manifested takes back the unbound Spectre and he says his power is restored. IE they pool together and add up to a whole when they're together. They are at full power when together. There is nothing to my recollection that says they aren't. Merely checking out one page on comicvine doesn't tell a whole story Abby. So, you can say Unbound Spectre is at half power when Jim is alive at the time, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate he is half power when he's merged with Jim. That's just another one of your braindead assumptions based on a blatant misinterpretation of comics.
And that's leaving out the obvious question of why the **** wouldn't two halves of Spectre be at full power when they're together? 😂
And that's also assuming we merely take PS' word on Spectre as absolute fact and absolutely retcons every Unbound appearance as well when Jim is the "host".
Galactus isn't even connected to God. The fact that Spectre has any connection at all to God voids any comparisons. Hell, Marvel's God barely interferes with anything, and considering Marvel's God thought Thanos' body could withstand the THOTU... I guess Thanos getting his attention is something worthy in a debate? I am really dumbfounded of how you think this is something worthy of anything. Spectre directly ended an age of magic, and Spectre is directly God's pet. God's pet did something big and God couldn't ignore it. That doesn't mean his power directly caught God's attention OR WHATEVER YOUR POINT IS WITH THIS THAT YOU CONTINUE TO AVOID ANSWERING.
None of Spectre's rampages even came close to inflicting as much damage as DOV did iirc. We've seen Michael capable of ending Spectre's rampages before... easily. Just because he wasn't deployed that doesn't make Spectre above him (assuming that factors into your point since again you fail to explain how this is relevant). Spectre directly ended an age of magic. The plot dictated his master interfere which easily ended Spectre's rampage. God's Wrath caught God's attention. I don't see the big deal.
Evidentially God isn't always watching him, I mean the rampage happened in the first place. The entire point was that Spectre went overboard with a big thing and it caught God's attention. I'd like to think God takes notice if such a big thing happen anyway even if he doesn't interfere, let alone if it's his own Wrath doing it manipulated by another of his avatars. I mean he is God after all.
I said omnipotent because you blatantly refuse to explain yourself. If I'm desperate for anything it's to try and get you to explain your points instead of just tossing them out there and expecting people to understand why it's impressive. You just separated a whole bunch of points and outright refused to explain... because you can't I'm sure of at this point. You didn't expect me to question it and then kept up the charade. But yes, if your point is that out of everyone in DC, only God could stop him, then that puts him pretty high into the omnipotent territory, does it not? Or did you not think that through when you thought your questions answered everything?
And what you're ignoring is that the most powerful being he beat is Nabu. There's a huge jump in power from Nabu to God. Which only farther solidifies that it was entirely due to the Ninth Age... like what everything in the comic says, and not Spectre's power level at the time.
Because it was a bigger rampage? Duh. Do you not read full sections before you respond? In the same section I say it was because of the Ninth Age ending. That would indicate why he interfered here. Everything adds up Abhi. I'm not you, my points aren't separate thoughts for every different sentence.
Did you just say "a lot of whys" in a sentence directly after you accuse me of handwaving? 😂
Because explaining why things aren't the way they are is simply me handwaving them away. Warped mind Abhi.
Michael could have easily stopped him for instance. The issue however is that there wasn't a lot of actual powerful beings around at that specific period in time. You'd be hard pressed to find someone in universe capable of stopping Spectre. Because contrary to what you think I think of him, he's still powerful. However DOV was a product of the timeframe. Anyone who's previously owned Spectre would be capable of it, but they weren't around and they weren't exactly fighting on the side of good. Just because God can easily dispose of Spectre, that doesn't mean you can make that jump to make it mean something. Even if there were people around at the time, it's about as meaningless as saying only Galactus could beat Sphinx, and Kallreich:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/FF212_05.jpg
According to Abby logic, Kallreich/Sphinx are the most powerful beings every outside Galactus. Plus 1 for logic.
Everytime a statement says "the only being that can stop him" that doesn't mean that every being is included in that conversation... oh wait, I forgot how much you rely on that to try and say Superman is the most powerful being ever. My mistake.
Not to mention it wasn't even stated only God could stop him. In fact, here it says exactly what I've been saying and what anyone who reads the comic thinks:
To go one step farther however, here Nabu says that "ONCE AGAIN HE has to take you to whoever's available"
Indicating that God places God's Wrath inside a human host because God has a direct connection to God's wrath. And God the creator of God's Wrath has placed God's Wrath inside a human host before. Like, ****, how are you so dense? Everytime God places Spectre inside a human host God is the only one who can stop him? Among other things. But you're just going to play stupid there, so what's the point?
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Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
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Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Do you not know how to read? I said Omega hasn't done anything to indicate he was above Galactus. Here, here's a quote of me saying it:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Red herringNothing Omega did was beyond Galactus. Also Omega couldn't even actually absorb powers adequately at the time anyway.
Which is true. The first thing that pops up on Omega is that he's "twice as powerful as Galactus". I'm not trying to hide that, I know it, you know it, it's like the most well know thing about him. What I'm saying is that he has done nothing to indicate he's above Galactus. Using hyperbole doesn't disprove that. Might as well say Martian Manhunter is stronger than Superman.
I'm not lying you moron, I'm using proof to indicate it. The fact that you later try to use Galactus getting smashed by two planets as a low feat, and reply to Galactus tanking a nova, when both are above Omega under Starlin shows even you don't think it's applicable to Galactus. Just because Omega got killed by a planet when Galactus has tanked more in weaker states that doesn't mean it's applicable to Galactus. Use your Goddamned head. You're using a completely other character to try and downplay Galactus when even Starlin has way better feats for Galactus. And that's without getting into context.
Just because he has a lot of hyperbole doesn't mean his feats - or more specifically in your case, low feats - are applicable to Galactus. Though I know you desperately want it to be. The planet eater Galactus has no feats to indicate he'd get killed by a planet getting blown up. You can't apply it to him. Simple really.
So you'd be alright with Mxy theoretically killing Spectre with a pillow then?
But there's a difference between not causing collateral damage and literally hitting someone with an object. Not to mention the blast didn't even go past Galactus in the first place to hit the planet, so you utterly failed there like usual. You've failed your comparison already.
But onto the Mxy example. The planets blew up completely against the Galactuses. Mxy knocked out Spectre by hitting him with the planet that wasn't even enough to destroy the planet completely. If he hit him that hard in that way it should have went right through the planet considering the downward motion.
Though it's funny you try and lowball planets when it comes to Galactus, but try and play them up for Spectre like Mxy makes the planets harder or something.
There's context for both. I'm just trying to get you to realize that just because it involves a planet doesn't mean it's low. Which you never will.
And onto the sun example. The same three Celestials unfused were beating Adult Franklin who (Kid Franklin) could create universes and stave off multiversal collapse for a time. The fact that you'd try and use the sun to lowball the Celestials and therefore Galactus when YOU'RE A SUPERMAN FAN is hilarious though. As you're well aware, just because you're empowered by something, that doesn't limit your power to that level.
Not to mention the Celestials tanked the UN on two different occasions in that arc as well. Like... it's hilarious the lengths you go.
😂
It always comes back to Superman. Superman surviving the equivalent of two small planets colliding and getting knocked out isn't the same. Though I'll admit it doesn't look good. At least Galactus was weakened and the explosion almost killed a dimension eater, so there's that.
John barely survived. Galactus survived completely unscathed. But you fail to realize (surprisingly) why I brought up the Nova. I didn't bring it up as a good feat. I brought it up because when Galactus can utterly tank a nova, then it makes the planets blowing up either look questionable, or some sort of unknown explosion considering the sizable nuclear device. The planets were either greater than the Nova, or it was pis within its own story if we're looking at it so black and white as you are. Though I've had a more intelligent conversation with Astner on this than you, so I won't waste my time trying to explain it to such a dumb ass.
Galactus wasn't even in Infinity Crusade. Though it's humorous you still continue to use a vision of a universe blowing up through a supernova(s?) as some sort of low feat... for every character imaginable. Galactus has tanked two supernovas. Even if he appeared in Infinity Crusade, that wasn't even real. Why the hell would that overwrite anything? And that's without factoring the fact that Goddess was blowing them up backed by the Cosmic Egg. Which you tried to make a point of Superman survived two planets pushed by the Source. So... I don't understand the limits of your desperation.
Omega isn't even Galactus. Nor again does he have anything proving in way of feats that he's beyond Galactus. You can't just mix hyperbole with feats when you refuse to accept feats of Galactus.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhen in the **** have I ever said Spectre solely recreated the big bang? Why do you lie all the time and even misinterpret other poster's words?
Lots of "Nuh-uh, its just you" arguments here. But as for you, Spectre created the big bang, right? SO are you saying, you were wrong in that stance?But Parallax's energy wasn't totally absorbed at that point by the heroes at that point. Your whole point was that Spectre created the big bang and hence Superman wasn't a factor there. Don't tell me you're backtracking now.
So has Galactus contributed in creating a big bang?
"I said Spectre contributed to the energy released. As did Parallax's energy which was enough on its own. That is your argument as well, only with a distinct selective memory on Parallax's energy being involved."
I don't even know what I'd be backtracking on. I've always maintained the stance that Parallax's energy were enough on there own, as even indicated by Parallax. The only thing I left out was it being the plasma energy of the universe as opposed to Parallax himself. Just because you're too stupid to understand anything doesn't mean you can put words in my mouth. But let's go over the actual feat right here:
Parallax starts creating a universe with plasma energy that when hardened, will create a universe:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-06.jpg
The heroes start absorbing energy from that universe:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-15.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-16.jpg.html
In two pages, they've absorbed "[/I]Most[/I]" of Parallax's energy.
Then while still absorbing energy (the energy is shown still flowing into the heroes), they start putting the energy into Damage. Everything seems to indicate that this is enough on its own to cause a big bang. Even Parallax says so.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-17.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-18.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-19.jpg.html
Then when Damage is near enough to blow up, Spectre comes in and puts it over the top:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/08-Zero%20Hour%200-20.jpg.html
Parallax's energies were the number 1 factor there. Spectre just came in and topped it off quicker. That's not to say it's a bad feat for Spectre like whatever you think I'm saying, but it's not solely attributable to Spectre, and I've never said otherwise.
Though this is hilarious coming from you considering you tried to completely write Spectre and Parallax's energies out of the feat, yet here you are being a giant hypocrite again. Also funny asking you when Galactus had a hand in creating a big bang considering you used to think (still think) Superman contributed 1/4 worth of a big bang, so my answer to you would be that uh... if Superman contributed a large portion IYO, then where's the feat?
Though that's just sinking down to your butthurt levels. Galactus has never contributed to a big bang because he hasn't tried. However considering your latest Galactus butthurt has you butthurting over the multiverse destroying feat with the Order/Scrier, I'd say that's applicable.
However, let's take a look at some quotes from that thread. Here's some major hypocrisy from you:
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't actually provided the power, Damage was ready to go boom before Spectre overloaded him. You know what overloaded means, right? Here we go again. So when did Thor's lightning contributed in creating a big bang again?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre overloaded him. Superman, Captain Atom, Darkstar and Ray provided him the energy to restart creation as shown explicitly in Doomsday Wars and recapped in 52.But way to miss the on panel description.
Here's what I said on the subject:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The heroes drained off most of Parallax's power and put it into Damage and then Spectre completely overloaded him...Not sure how much of that can be attributed to Superman... seems kind of like he threw a box of delicious chicken wing bones into a dump. I want chicken wings now.
Oh look, even back then you misinterpreted what I said. You really are terrible at reading:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I never said Spectre was the only one to cause anything. Go back and read my post.
So yeah, don't put words in my mouth just because you lack a fundamental reading comprehension past the 4th grade.
Originally posted by abhilegendSingle sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
It was a pleasure.Again "nuh-uh, it was you". Lulz. Ahahaha. Let me do that again.
Bwahahahahahahahaa. So many tears from you. Its quite delicious.
Everytime you do the same thing. Write an essay, get the last word and declare yourself a winner because I didn't cared enough to write an essay back.
No more though. See how far your inflated ego can take you with these empty words.
Or not caring enough to repeat something. But sure, sure.
I'm not the one who flew off the handle and posted five essays here just because of a few words I said. Look into a mirror bran.
So, handwaving it away? Good. That only means you've no argument left.
Its a direct statement of power from Asmodel. You don't like it? Go sue Geoff Johns about how he dared to write it.
Don't cry to me. Gotcha?
Glad you accepted that statement. Now wipe off your tears.
Of course it did. You are so civil, as you've repeatedly said here. Civil people don't swear bran. Sure, sure.
Sure, sure.
Did you make in your tampons?
Alex Luthor was recreating infinite universes before Crisis. That was his goal all along. But sure.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111123877/3195696-comicvine.jpg
Did I?
That's a lot of words to handwave the feat away. Good, you're making progress. Concession accepted BTW.
And your point being? That somehow "energy" used to power it is somehow not applicable to the quantity of energy?
Haha, this is just idiotic. Alex flat out said that for creating the multiverse he needed energy and that came from magic.
That's why I call you a buffoon. You deserve it.
And the energy to do so came from something Spectre did. You're trying your hardest to deny a flat out statement. Guess what, it also came from Johns.
Some shitty average, eh?
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
You'd be hard pressed to see me parading around declaring myself the winner in any debate. 😬
The only time that happens is when people become insufferable dicks with absolute awful posts. Like yourself for instance. And even then it takes a lot for myself to declare myself winning. As for the essays, like I've said many times, that's easy as shit. Though these series of posts are admittedly more difficult, but that's just because I'm finding it hard to find the motivation to reply considering how worthless your posts are. It's pretty much just the colors keeping me entertained at this point. So this will probably be the last exchange from me. if you find words hard though, then you should probably go find a different hobby than polishing Superman's cock on multiple sites. The fact that you think "essays" is an insult is something else though. How dare I try to be thorough. The way to prove your point is to handwave away anything you disagree with, without explaining in any detail why. All debates should just be big pictures of the word "NOPE!". Also speak of how much you don't give a shit while rushing out "points".
As worthless as your posts are, I guess it's just my personal ego that makes me continue. Either that or me just knowing you're wrong. But I'm not going to cry I don't give a shit at this point in time considering I've tried to use logic to prove you wrong this entire time. Stop lying to yourself little girl. The amount of times you have to say it isn't convincing anyone.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
LOL at you using the Carver excuse. "I didn't write it, DC did... I'm only using it in this thread in direct relation to you when multiple people have pointed out my bullshit in using it."
I like how you handwaved this away though. I know I said I would try not to address handwaving but it's hard when that's most of your posts.
Didn't you say earlier you weren't using the DOV feat against God to say that Spectre was omnipotent, yet you think using hyperbole that God fears Spectre's power which would make Spectre on God's level is OK?
If you believe this feat, then why are you refusing to back it up in any capacity? Asmodel has not only no measure of God, but Spectre has no feats to indicate he'd accomplish anything against the guy who gives him his power and controls him like a fetus. It's purely hyperbole based on absolutely nothing. The fact that you'd even bring this up, let alone defend this in multiple posts is probably the most desperate thing I've seen you do... recently.
And the fact that I can't distinguish whether you're trolling or not with this feat makes me a little bit disappointed as well. I hope you are I guess. But you're also a desperate scorned little boy so I wouldn't put this delusion past you.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Finally you try to prove something. Though I'm curious why you chose to try to prove anything in something that doesn't matter... but, strides I guess.
Though that doesn't indicate infinite universes, but I'm not too worried about it.
Yes, you did. You literally replied to something where I said the same thing and you acted like I was wrong. How delusional are you? Here's my quote:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Which seems likely considering the fuel was only energy used to power that. Then it was Brother Eye that basically reshaped the universes from memory. Then Alex needed an access point to accomplish this outside the tower as well
Here's what you posted in response two paragraphs above this:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, right.You are not even trying now.
Which basically just confirms my suspicions that you don't read arguments before replying. Now I'm conceding because I agreed with the paraphrased version of that page? Your mind is completely broken isn't it? Did you get heatstroke again?
Not only is that the way it goes in comics, but you're using a feat which you think is all the magic in a universe being the sole power behind the creation of infinite universes... does this not bring up a red flag or something for you? Seems odd to me, but I'm not going to dwell on it too much considering this wasn't Spectre's power.
Not to mention the post you were replying to was you replying to a post being well... abhi... was of something I already said. Which was my point originally.
Alex flat out stated he needed fuel for the machine. It was never actually stated if the energy created the multiverse or not. IE, what I said was correct. It left holes in there which are open for interpretation. My point. Though however, like I've said before it doesn't matter because again it wasn't Spectre's energy that did this. This is basically a side debate on the specifics of a machine not exactly blueprinted in comics and how it worked. By all means "fuel" doesn't exactly paint it as a creation energy. However even if it did, it changes nothing. Spectre could have killed the entire multiverse one at a time, and while the casualties and separate powerful beings he killed would be impressive, the combined total wouldn't factor into his actual power, only a statistic. No one would go into a LOOK WHO WE'RE ARGUING HERE Galactus debate and just drop him killing billions upon billions of beings and act like that jumps out on its own. A rampage is really no different than an entire history if he's fighting them one at a time and getting powerful all throughout. I've no doubts all the beings Thor has defeated would be able to create a couple universes worth of energy if you pooled it all together, but that doesn't factor into Thor unless he beat all that power pooled together. It's a non feat besides an impressive history.
The fact that you can't even begin to explain it says more than the mouthful you're currently choking down.
And the fact that you're using a statement from a different event to factor into John's average of Spectre is pretty sad as well. Especially after admitting that Johns jobs Spectre.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Johns did nothing to Spectre. The main writers of Spectre are Dematteis and Ostrander. Johns didn't do anything with the spectre except making him job.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt has about as much to do with this thread as pooled energy over a period of time does. I just took this as a time to talk about the variables of the feat considering we're talking about basically nothing that adds to anything. Only you think this feat is relevant. Probably in the entire world if we're being honest.
Are you drunk or something? How does any of this relates to Spectre destroying enough magic to create an infinite multiverse?Does that somehow diminishes what spectre did? When Galactus rampages across universe and destroy enough powerful beings to recreate entire multiverse, wake me up.
And? It shows just how powerful those beings were. The last time Galactus died, he made a star. Evn if he killed say a million magic users, the power they released for creating an entire multiverse is staggering. Its all about averages Bran.
Explain to me why it doesn't counts though? I explained it already. You're just too dumb to accept it.
Again "nuh-uh, its you".
Just hilarious at this point. Keep digging that hole though.
Nah, you just have to shut up.
Sure, sure.
Nabu is the most powerful Lord of Order. Krona with all the power in JLA/Avengers was just a peer to Kismet as shown in Trinity who is canonical peer of eternity under the same writer.
See how that goes? Also Spectre casually destroyed Dr. Fate under Johns when he was curbstomping Mordru and actually imprisoned Nabu. Under Johns no less.
Shitty average.
Spectre killed someone who is above Eternity's peer. Why is it bad again?
It's not about diminishing anything. It's about you bringing up a completely pointless thing and are trying to pass it off as some great feat. You do this a lot. You misinterpret something and then cry when people correct you that it's not an actual feat or something, only in this case, you're not even misinterpreting it, well in a way that matters... you're just falsely trying to make something out of nothing because your brain don't work so well. If this was Spectre's power, then sure it'd be a great feat. If this was Spectre fighting this power all at once, then sure it'd be a great feat. But it wasn't. It was Spectre murdering a bunch of beings separately. It looks good for Spectre in comics, but it's ultimately meaningless in a debate. You continue to just try to not explain why it counts though. He killed a bunch of beings... what then?
If Surfer went around murdering planet destroyers until he killed enough that the power laying around could destroy a galaxy or a universe or what have you, would you be able to accurately portray how this applies to Surfer? Of course not, because it's meaningless. The people Surfer killed would be the impressive part and feat, not the pooled energies of them that someone could use to destroy way more than Surfer's worth. I'm pretty sure Spider-Man has defeated enough beings to destroy a solar system at least for that matter. Still doesn't make it applicable to Spider-Man. You're bypassing the actual feat in favor of how many and you realize you can't explain why it's applicable. It's a classic Abby shoddy practice example.
Yes, Galactus became an infinite star:
Though I can't see how one showing of energy means anything. Comics are inconsistent. And not everyone releases energy in vast quantities. For example Spectre when he "died"
http://i.imgur.com/Ou5j8aj.jpg?1
Not to mention Galactus supplied at least 1/3 of the power to threaten to destroy the infinite Marvel Multiverse, and was going to be used on his own to destroy 2 universes in Annihilation:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/galactusuniversefeatno4.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/galactusuniversefeat1ob8.jpg
So really it doesn't matter when you're trying to apply this to Galactus anyway. You're underhanded attempts to lowball are as ever, sneaky as shit though. If you weren't so braindead you'd be a master at lowballing.
It was a whole bunch of pooled energy that wasn't even Spectre's. I have no issue speaking of the power he defeated, but he did this largely one on one or two on one. Had he faced all that power at once he would have been swiftly beaten to death. He ended an entire age of magic. He killed a tremendous amount of beings to say the least.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Are you using a questionably canon to Marvel crossover to say Kismet is equal to Eternity because Eternity put his dick in her, and then ABC logic that into Nabu because he was called the most powerful Lord of Order in a story which wasn't factoring in Kismet or her being equal to "Eternity"? In a story where Spectre had trouble with Shazam?
The amount of logic leaps here is tremendous. Also, saying Nabu is above Kismet is like saying Nabu is above Mordru just because of that statement. Which Nabu is not in any way above Mordru. Nabu gloating doesn't suddenly make him above the ambiguously titled Lord of Order Kismet when you're assuming she's Eternity level. Same with Nabu is wrong anyway when he assumed all the Lords of Order were dead (Mordru wasn't), considering he should have known that if Kismet were included in there that the universe would have ended:
http://i.imgur.com/khgpCxD.jpg?1
Which farther throws a wrench in his statement.
Fate only beat Mordru because Mordru was weakened:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00004.jpg.html
And Fate only trapped Nabu with the help of everyone else:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00005n.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Hawkman%202002-2006%20025-011.jpg.html
Unless you're talking about this time... where Lyta effortlessly rips through the cage:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00009.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00010.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/P00011.jpg.html
Yes Hector was powerful, but he was able to be trapped by Nabu like what Spectre did (to some degree), and he had the benefit of mortal form Nabu to pull off feats against (like Spectre's previous wins against Nabu). Not saying Nabu is above Eternity, because let's get real, but mortal form Nabu is so far away from Eternity it's embarrassing. Pretty much all of his pathetic showings are from that form.
Well, Nabu has absolutely no feats approaching Eternity level. If we base this off hype, then we know for a fact Nabu is lying about being the most powerful Lord considering his mortal form got one shotted by Mordru (albeit cheapshot), and his ghostly form got beat by Mordru... who was weakened at the time. So, if we have Nabu lying on one aspect, why would we assume he's more powerful than Kismet too, and why would we assume he's more powerful than Eternity because Eternity once kissed Kismet in a comic not useable on the forum?
Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a guy who tried to say Spectre can make God afraid via statement is using a statement and severe logic jumps to try and put Nabu above universal.
What did he do? Well he said some words once!
Anyway, Mordru vs Nabu:
Originally posted by Philosophía
Gains the upperhand on Nabu (the strongest of the Lords of Order, who held his own quite well against Spectre), despite stating that every spell feels like a mountain.
Before it needs to be said though, this Mordru was weakened.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/page0012.jpg.html
While that Nabu later went on to fight Spectre shortly after, so...
Originally posted by abhilegendThere you go trying to handwave things away without actually understanding what you're talking about again. I'm not saying Dr Fate is some sort of low feat here, I'm saying Spectre outright says he is more powerful here. I mean, for Satan's sake, did you even read what I was replying to here:
In the same page Nabu says Spectre is deluded. So hard to read for you, right?Are you alright or did you hit your head? Spectre fought Fate in JSA 74 and casually defeated him. He turned Phantom Stranger in a mouse, casually oneshotted Thunderbolt, casually defeated Dr Fate and the closest anybody came to defeat him were Cap with the magic of entire universe and Shazam.
http://i.imgur.com/sZyDt86.jpg
Here is how he dealt with Nabu imprisoning, Mordru stomping Dr. Fate. Shitty average.
That only adds to how powerful Nabu was. Its not a bad showing for Spectre, its a very high showing for Nabu.
And it shows how powerful Nabu was. Not that Spectre was weak. He was stomping skyfather level being effortlessly, unless you think Phantom Stranger and Thunderbolt are not skyfather level.
Why are you saying it like its a low showing for Spectre. Nabu is after all above people like Kismet and Eternity.
Canonically.
Yes, I am. Unless you think only shazam and Nabu had enough power to give so much power that entire multiverse was created by it. In that case, lulz.
Yes, it was an insult. Happy?
Not out of N zone, he can't. Canon.
Because spectre can just BFR him even if he does not has a soul. He couldn't do it to Nekron.
But Nekron would push Galactus' shit in. So meh either ways.
Next you would say he could beat Nekron too. Remember how it went against Mikaboshi? Or Zeus powered by Mikaboshi?
Ouch.
Of course it does. The neutral battlezone has properties of both DC and Marvel universes. Its not even any special dimension like Phantom Zone.
And why can't I? Is it non canon or something?
What? I said Crispus was holding back his power the entire time he was spectre. You tried using it as if he was holding back his power in Revelations only.
"yeah right"
Did you even read Final Crisis? The ALE was effecting entire multiverse. We literally saw entire multiverse going into a black hole.
"God's creation", "creation" is just earth.
I don't even know what's wrong with you. Are you autistic or something?
Because its contradicted everytime by saying it was just a universe. When HOTU remade entire "God's creation"?
You first.
And?
Good job reading a scan for once.
Did you even read what I said? I guess no.
I'm glad you vent up all your anger. Kool story bran.
Khill bran.
"God's creation". Handwave that away bran.
Wut?
You flew out off your handle because I actually tried to speak of some feats for Spectre. That's real butthurt right there.
It did.
Just because you're not able to accept it, doesn't means its invalid. 'God's creation" bran. It chafes, doesn't it?
So are you saying all the universes shown in Final Crisis affected by ALE were not actually affected by ALE?
Way to go bran.
"God's creation".
"God's creation", universes included in the same arc. Somehow writer forgot about that. Only bran remembered it of course.
In the very same scan it says "God created heaven and earth".
Somehow God forgot adding 'heaven" when he considered what's "God's creation".
Damn internet. Again lots of words and so little meaning from you. Typical.
Originally posted by abhilegend
To repower himself. But that's neither here nor there.
I mean, did you even read the full part that you forcefully separated?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Day%20of%20Vengeance%20Special%20page%2021.jpg"I wasn't powerful to destroy you last we met... but now I am!"
And considering he fought Dr Fate at the height of his powers in issue 2 of Day of Vengeance, and he got more powerful per his own admission (hell he later admitted that he thought he destroyed a lot of magic when asked how much he absorbed, but right here he says he got more powerful, which means he didn't go overboard but still absorbed power), then that means he was absorbing magic. You say he merely absorbed all energy he could off the Rock of Eternity, the Baubles, and Shazam to get back to full power, which means he was absorbing energy outside of that fight. 🙂
Which means you're wrong. He was absorbing magic, though not in severe excess to a point where he could easily kill Nabu. It wasn't all his power.
And then he either absorbed a shit load of random magic, or focused it into an attack to destroy Nabu. So we have 1 fight where he outright absorbs a bunch of power, 1 fight where he channels a whole bunch in a wild attack, and an admittance of getting more powerful where you think he merely got to full power, which means he was absorbing more under your logic.
But all that aside, why wouldn't he absorb magic after seeing what it could do? Is Spectre also completely retarded under your pen as well? And he just desperately created that last attack against Nabu in that moment as well?
So basically, Spectre was getting more powerful at the very least after the Shazam fight where he started killed the big dawgs.
Even if you do reply without reading full posts, I even said it earlier as well, which I shouldn't need to quote.
Spectre says he himself is more powerful. Nabu says he's deluded because Spectre thinks he's Dr Fate. The two don't intercept. Think before you post.
Do you not know how to read? No where that you quoted there actually talked about the battle. I am clearly talking about him absorbing power. Because I was saying he started absorbing magic and using it. Pay attention.
And I'm using Fate because at the time Spectre wasn't weakened by anything in the story at that point. IE, he was at full normal power. If he gets more power from that point on, he's getting amped. Fate is irrelevant in the example. Just because if the roles were reversed you'd be using this to lowball Spectre, that doesn't mean I'm actually doing it off that example.
To repeat because you're very slow. Spectre becoming more powerful from when he was at full power means he was amping himself. He was amped when he fought Nabu at the very least. You seem to kind of get it after but that doesn't explain your top part...
It's an incredibly high showing for Nabu. He went from losing to a weakened Mordru to still losing to an amped Spectre. Just because of your hype swallowing, that doesn't mean it's some acceptable feat that just looks great all around. It doesn't exactly look good for Spectre... unless we go the Abby route and make up random unsupported levels.
Did you just defend Spectre using pre Flashpoint Phantom Stranger? 😂
I can't even pretend that I know any good Thunderbolt feats outside the Morrison arc where Lkz owns Spectre and Thunderbolt fights him. Which is conflicting to say the least... I have severe doubts that you would as well... even if you weren't stuck in refusing to explain anything mode. But simply throwing their names out and saying "Skyfather eh, eh?" works for you I guess.
BFR'ing a severely weakened Mordru I guess for T-Bolt?
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
You aren't. You're forgoing feats in lieu of something entirely irrelevant. If you just worried about Nabu like you are now and used his individual wins it'd be another story. But you're more focused on the pooled energy because you think it sounds better even though you can't actually explain it, and have outright refused to try. A simple mind from a simple being. You see something you think is impressive at first glance and even if you fail to understand how it applies you still use it and then turn into a brick wall when questioned.
You want to use the actual fights? Fine do that, though it will be still be context ridden considering you, but it's better than you applying basically nothing to it. I've told you this is the way to go. You should realize this.
And no, I'm not saying Shazam and Nabu are the only things he killed that add to that. What a stupid thing to try and pin on me. I'm saying they are the two most powerful beings he killed and they are far from universal. I realize all the Lords together are multiversal, but individually they aren't that impressive. You'd be hard pressed to find anything from Nabu for example that puts him above Odin. Which speaking of, Odin effortlessly deflected an attack that had enough power to set the multiverse on fire, so...
And if he's killing a whole bunch of sub Odin level beings contrary to your random Eternity shenanigans, then why are we suddenly pumping him up based on the energy as a whole as opposed to the people he actually fought? Which I already know the answer to that question, but really. 😬
Plus this is ignoring all the magic lying around after he fought Captain Marvel who beat the utter shit out of him until he ran out as well. Which while impressive that Spectre kind of held his own, it wasn't exactly applicable to what Spectre is above.
And we know for a fact that all that magic Alex used would mop the floor with Spectre so again I completely fail to see why the pooled energy is some sort of feat. It's just some desperate thing for you to cling to like usual.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why times 6.
No I didn't you absolute moron. I said Crispus being weakened was irrelevant to the feat. Because he was not holding back when he accomplished the feat which you tried to portray him being weaker as some sort of thing to mean something. Because if Spectre being weaker means something when he accomplished it, naturally you could no limits that to whatever you want.
But here's from the first page:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
No. I'm just saying you tried to use "weakest" to mean something, when Crispus was only the "weakest" because he restricted himself to one punishment at a time.Like I said, it was Crispus limiting Spectre, not God:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/FC%20Revelations%2003%20Page%20015.jpgAnd farther confirmation. Hell, it even says he's weaker because he takes vengeance on one soul at a time. "Remaking all creation" kind of makes that null and void.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Revelations%2002%20Page%20027.jpg.htmlSo, we've established that Crispus wasn't weakened in that feat. So let's move onto the feat itself.
Which means I shouldn't have to point out so many times what I mean just because you can't understand it. I realize you like twisting everything, but you can't twist my words when I clearly state what I mean so many times. 😬
So, Spectre wasn't holding back when he accomplished the feat. Which means him being weaker is a meaningless thing to point out considering he wasn't at the time. Which I've tried to drill into your head many times, and now it seems like you're just mad because you agree with me or something... who the **** knows with your head.
Actually, did YOU read Final Crisis? Spectre didn't even appear in there to expand on the feat, nor was the ALE used in any capacity that you're implying. I'm not even going to get into the black hole because everyone should know by now that that was due to Darkseid falling and had nothing to do with the ALE.
Unless you're implying that the Black Hole "being" Darkseid implies that the ALE was in effect. Which is meaningless for a couple reasons. Number one, there was only a small portion of buildings left when that page happened. Which means it happened after Spectre "remade" creation twice. Number two, it had absolutely nothing to do with Spectre, and had no correlation to what Spectre did, nor was it the ALE. So...
This is just trying to cut you off though, like the Mxy feat earlier. Explode at your own peril.
Now, however, in Final Crisis the ALE was only ever said to effect 3 billions people:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/FC5p31.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/FC5p32-33.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/fc6-16.jpg
The only thing they planned to use beyond global in that series was to try and spread the ALE through the Central Power Battery, which would have only broadcast it universally. Spectre was only ever shown to be laying on the ground in that series and nothing he did was shown to have any effect in the main series. The only thing we can assume he did was infect those 3 billion people altogether to finish off the New God's plans when they themselves enslaved a lot.
When Darkseid himself says there's only 3 billion people enslaved, then you can be damned sure that's not a good look for Spectre.
Not only that, but your logic works like this:
Spectre remade the multiverse to be bad while it was drifting into the multiversal black hole. Then Spectre completely remade the multiverse again. Then the multiverse sometime later got almost destroyed by the black hole. Then the Miracle Machine came around and remade the multiverse again. Then Spectre got effortlessly beaten by someone weaker than the GL Corps...
How ****ing redundant and not based on anything. You'd think if Spectre had that sort of power in that series, that he wouldn't have kept the immediate danger around. That he might have gotten rid of the giant black hole. And you'd think Spectre remaking the multiverse in a series where that'd kind of be important would have you know... been said? Flatly said?
"Creation" is not a blanket statement for "All creation". The fact that they'd even need to add the "All" in there in the first place shows they are different. Just because you can destroy creation in place of say a hammer, that doesn't mean you're destroying "all" creation. This is grade 1 stuff.
A lot of things were called creation in that series. Cain, Radiant, the Spear iirc. Considering none of them were remade in the process, it kind of throws a wrench in the whole idea that "all creation" was effected.
You're using a passing remark to try and pass it off as applicable to the feat when "all creation" was used in the remark, and they expanded on "creation" as a "world" immediately after. He had to tell Spectre what to effect considering "creation" isn't very telling of what to do. Creation isn't interchangeable with everything, even more so when you don't actually have any evidence of it doing anything at that level.
But THOTU is entirely relevant for a couple of reasons. For one, Thanos was aware of other realms:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-03.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/Marvel%20Universe%20-%20The%20End%205-04.jpg.html
For another he went beyond that realm and absorbed "all"
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/10_Untitled10.jpg.html
Which means THOTU has a hell of a lot more basis for destroying the multiverse than Spectre does. For one Thanos was actually shown to be affecting things beyond a universe, unlike Spectre being shown to only be spreading the ALE. For another he actually has applications of "ALL" to his actual feat unlike a passing remark completely after the feat. We have information of more universes existing in both, yet you flip your shit everytime Mr Master says it, and here you are desperately defending Spectre with less proof... and by less, I mean absolutely nothing.
"But universe!"
Yeah, no shit, I'm not saying it's more. But when "World" is the only scope word used for Spectre, then you have a lot less basis than HOTU. World was repeatedly thrown around for Spectre's feat. Pictures were used to show a world. No statements were applied to Spectre to indicate a multiverse. Nothing.
Your hypocrisy for The End while using so much less for Spectre is something to behold though. Look at you pretending the two aren't similar (although HOTU actually accomplished something impressive).
The rest is just a bunch of handwaving and butthurt. Not to mention I answered everything there.
Though it's funny you mention "Heaven" being part of creation considering it should go without saying that Spectre can't recreate Heaven. It's funny you use this, and then ignore me posting scans where it calls Radiant/Cain "creation" where he blatantly didn't recreate them.
The facts are that creation doesn't mean "all creation". We saw how it was used. We saw Cain expand on what creation meant there when he said Earth. We saw him later say after Spectre supposedly remade creation that it was still a world. We saw other people say world afterwards. We saw no proof that it was a multiverse when the feat happened. We saw no proof that was even solar system. Everything talked about in the feat indicated it was global. From the words, to the pictures, to Final Crisis, to the humans, to everything.
What facts do you have? That "All creation" was said about the multiverse later? What the **** kind of reaching is this shit?
Even Cain was called creation there... does that mean he's all creation going by Abby logic? Because Cain being called creation means about as much as the world being called creation. Creation is many things, and like it or not, but the world is God's creation. But that doesn't mean that calling the world "creation" involves every other aspect. That's the whole reason for the "all" afterall. That's the whole reason for words like multiverse and world existing.
If it was a multiverse, then you'd think somewhere along the lines it would have actually been stated. That's not exactly a small thing to just happen in a series involving the imminent death of the multiverse. 😂
The fact that this is even an issue and all you have is vague remarks later not even applied to anything should tell you this is at the very least questionable. And this is all assuming to your benefit that he even remade the world as opposed to spread it.
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's not even close to what I said, learn how to read. Everything you said is just a vile manipulation of words even when the person explains themselves in detail enough that there should be no misunderstanding to what was said. Again, this works better on comics than people, even though you're not fooling anyone with either.
Every scan you add just makes its clear you only read what you want to."God created heaven and earth".-Comic
"No, God only created earth".- Bran.
Good job explaining your own buffoonery.
Why don't you write an essay about it too? And post a contradictory scan while you're at it.
No. You can't erase anything anyway. You're just butthurt.
Sure, sure.
Yup. Glad you admit it.
Unless I find the quote laughable. You are teh smart one, figure it out.
Sure, sure.
I do. "Remake creation". Simple as that.
So now he didn't even remade earth IYO? Since Cain was on earth but as you think Cain wasn't remade, so earth wasn't remade too.
You just invalidated the entire comic. Good job bran.
You don't have any logic here. You're just blindly grasping to anything to deny the actual statement.
Its a better logic than your actual arguments though.
But he would. Stomp him more like it.
You may not agree. But comics show that blatantly.
No, actually beating characters who are powerful on their own.
But since a small portion of power from sun outperformed Galactus.................
Specre not just "can" win. He would stomp Galactus.
Nobody gives a shit.
Hyperion didn't separate the universes. IG did. And got destroyed in process. Spectre>>>IG I guess.
I can. But you'll just ignore "high feats".
I wonder how many such high feats Galactus has.
But who is actually mad here? You or I? I used your name once in that thread as a joke almost one year ago and totally forgot about it.
You're the one who brought it out of nowhere.
Good job explaining your buffoonery once again.
Is it? I just challenged every surfer fan in the other thread including you. You're the one who flew out of handle.
Yeah, the joke was funny.
Projektion.
Another prrojektion. Good job.
But I don't give a shit about what you think. Never have, never will.
I realize God created everything. No where in my post did I deny that. But God simply creating everything doesn't mean "creation" is a blanket statement to mean all creation. Especially when we were given details as to what part of creation Cain had in mind at the time. It's not even funny how sad this is.
Hell, you've been told this before as well by people no doubt better posters than you.
Originally posted by operator616
^ No. We see it affect only the Earth inhabitants:http://i.imgur.com/NCvjtNb.jpg
And the next issue has it depicted affecting the planet Earth only:
http://i.imgur.com/EAhWiTN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVSMGat.jpgThen the Spectre reversed the effects (limited to Earth, only)
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it required a wish from the Miracle Machine(and some fixes from Nix Uotan) to repair the multiverse in the wake of FC.
So yes, everyone is wrong but you. Even though you lack severe proof. Even if you were right though (which you aren't), a normal person would realize that they are defending a very very vague showing and wouldn't be such a prick about it. Not you though because you're a special flower. I like to imagine you just squirm around the entire time you lie to yourself and to all the posters on the board everytime you make an argument.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
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Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
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I don't even know why you try and separate things into quotes...
Uh yeah. He was dealing strictly with the ALE there and the mind effects it had on the people. Cain wanted him to get everyone on the planet believing in Darkseid. Nothing was built or rebuilt from Spectre except the ALE being broadcast and taken away.
If he wasn't solely broadcasting the ALE, then what did he rebuild? The minds of everyone on the planet? Because Spectre changed absolutely nothing physical in anything he did. Even after he "rebuilt the multiverse" he still had to separately deal out punishment to Cain even though that should be unneeded considering Cain was called creation at the time and Spectre showed the power to punish him. It's not just because he failed to rebuild a part of creation in Cain (though with your logic this should be a big deal and utterly defeat your point, but you're a major hypocrite), it's because all he was shown was to spread the ALE out. He changed nothing on Earth beside that. He was even shown to be chanting the ALE. He wasn't remaking the ALE into people, he was shown to spread it to have people fall under Darkseid's thrall.
I'm using my brain instead of my ass like you. However, we were taking baby steps down to this, but you were too stupid to accept that it was only planetary, so I know you would scream and shout over this. It's completely pointless to have a discussion with you on this, but this is obviously what happened in the comic. This followed a major part of the plot of Final Crisis as well instead of just ignoring Final Crisis and having Spectre easily rebuild the multiverse twice which defeats the entire point of Final Crisis... especially when Spectre was just a lackey at that point in time.
Holy **** at the irony of that last part. "I'm rubber you're glue" again. I don't know why you try and project your bullshit onto others when everyone with eyes can see what you're all about. You're living in your own delusional bubble.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
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Right, Hyperion held off moving universes, and Spectre separated two at a complete stop. Which is why I said Spectre's feat just makes him a little better. 🙂
And the IG pushed a universe safely back into its position when it was moving in a story where universal positions were a huge deal. Spectre separated two universes at a pretty much complete stop and then they drifted back into their positions.
There's enough of a difference to make them dissimilar.
However, even if they were, all that does is make Spectre more powerful than Starlinless IG. Which isn't the most impressive thing around. Mind you it still killed multiple Celestials at the same time, which Spectre lacks any battle feat of that nature outside COIE. Starlin IG would kick the shit out of Spectre though.
I'm not ignoring high feats though. I've repeatedly said why. I'm just explaining that all feats should factor in... and for a jobber like Spectre, that's even worse for him. At least for Galactus he has a severe lack of low feats when he isn't hungry. You abandoned your excuses for Spectre though.
He stalemated In-Betweener in a weakened state when In-Betweener is a universal creator, and managed to kamikaze split a Cosmic Cube in half and IB almost destroyed all creation.
He fought both Scrier and the Other in fight that was about to destroy the multiverse.
Killing Celestials and was portrayed as equal to Adult Franklin who staved off multiversal collapse for a time.
His tools beat Pre Retcon Beyonder while his power held off against him to some degree. Doom straight up overpowered and absorbed Post Retcon Beyonder's powers when it was capable of recreating all reality.
Pretty easily beat Sphinx (with Worldmind Amp) when the Ka Stone alone was capable of creating a universe. Sphinx also took it a step farther than Spectre and was directly stated to have recreated all reality... something you just handwaved away.
Destroying something capable of containing Infinity, and keeping Eternity catatonic.
Among others, but those seem to be stuff that would greatly impress you considering you're space cheese abby here... because it works only when it suits you. Let's see you whine a couple threads down from "SPACE CHEESE" though.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why times 8.
Originally posted by abhilegendSingle sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Projektion.Yes. Different writers have different opinions of power of characters. You actually don't know that.
"I could create universes".
Hal said he wielded power to create universes as Green lantern and Parallax. He compared that power to spectre as of a candle and a sun.
So?
Just like Hal said it, right?
Per Degaton has recreated entire universe by meddling in history. Some real power right there.
Yeah, because it was directly stated to be the only one reality by changing time. But I like how Sphinx's feat is directly transferable to Galactus.
Good job again.
But its a high feat. How can we use it?
And he regularly fought a being who destroyed universes and not get his shit pushed in everytime like Galactus.
But like you said everything outside Johns is a high feat for Spectre and not really adds in his average.
So how can we use it?
I've given you plenty of other feats.
Just because you don't like it doesn't means its not given.
So much gheyness.
😂
That doesn't make any sense at all. Especially when the Galactus defeat was such an important part of every story that lead into Lady Sphinx.
Here's from the same arc Man Sphinx says lady Sphinx recreated all reality, where he admits Galactus is more powerful than him:
lol at the different writer excuse meaning Sphinx with a powerup is less powerful though. FF4 Sphinx showed nothing below what he showed in NW at all. What a reach with that one. Hell, one of your biggest points in this new series is connecting Nabu to Kismet to Eternity, and then you try and peddle this shit. 😂
My point with that is that Sphinx was a pretty established universe creator, which flowed into the next part. Just because you think separating points means they are disconnected, that doesn't mean that's the actual case. I was merely adding that she was able to recreate universes, and then added that into the statement of "all reality" to make it carry a little more weight. Unlike what you're doing with Spectre and the Revelations arc.
However lol at Spectre being that far above Parallax. Everytime they've faced off Spectre has come out on the short end of the stick. If you're using that scan to take that absolutely literally, it's a bold faced lie. Though that's not saying he can't warp universes because that's pretty common in comics, but you trying to say he's that above Parallax based on that scan is taking it way too far.
Except Lady Sphinx changed reality. 😬
And she forcibly changed every hero there as well. She remade Thor into somehow an Egyptian thunder god for instance.
Just like Spectre was only said to be a planet. 🙂
But I'm not saying it's transferable to Galactus. I'm saying it's relevant because Lady Sphinx was said to do what you're pretending Spectre did and Galactus still won. IE, your pretend feat wasn't enough in that statement of what Sphinx's feat was:
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Like I said, you just make up shit in your mind and start arguing with that. Because I'd have an issue with Spectre actually recreating reality or something? I don't know what your focus was with this but it's entirely pathetic.And it's not like Galactus hasn't fought beings with the ability to actually re-create "all" reality anyway:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/NewWar-47-03.jpg.html
I don't much get it tbh.
So think about things probably abby.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
Single sentence trying to override things without explaining why.
I never said that. Not even close. But this about sums up the conversation. You just continue to twist the shit out of things. I'd imagine you like to twist rabbits' heads off in real like to pass the time when you can't twist words. The amount of quotes I've had to repost are a sad showing.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ignoring Johns, what does he have in way of high feats? Day of Vengeance, the Michael fights, a lot of lip service, being fed a ton of power to defeat Anti Monitor, beating Azmodus a couple times, fighting Shathan a couple times, and what, Zero Hour?Then he has a lot of just average feats, and even a lot of low feats... ignoring Johns.
It's not like I'm just using Johns to bring down his average, it's just that Johns is the one who seeks to do that. It factors in.
I realize he has high feats. But with the amount of low feats Johns has wrote, it's hard to ignore. Ergo, you have to wade through a lot of shit.But the issue is Spectre's average wasn't that great before hand. Once Johns came in it just plummeted. So yes, and considering Johns almost primarily wrote anything involving Spectre since Rebirth to the end of DC... except for that Eclipso "killing" Spectre series... Johns has wrote a lot of Spectre. Which is what I said.
IE, even ignoring Johns Spectre's average isn't that great. But with Johns it becomes really bad.
While this may be true or not (it is), it's you twisting my actual words again that makes this important. Because that's all you can do besides learning how to read.
The rest is random shit.
But anyway, that will be all from me. All this was was a lot of handwaving and twisting from you. I don't even think you made one mildly decent point this whole time, which is disheartening to say the least. Just all around terrible arguments, and the color is the only reason I continued this because of how boring your shit is. I forgot how big of a brick wall you could be though. It's pretty sad when the only thing I can do to entertain myself enough to comment is to go through all the colors on KMC.
I'm most curious about a little down the line when you slowly start sifting everything you claimed out of your opinion. Like you did when you claimed Superman can supply 1/4 of the Big Bang.
Have fun with the last word though, which shouldn't be too hard with all the single sentences handwaving things away. 🙂
In any case, I predict your response won't even be worth reading... especially considering everything prior. 😂
Which is probably for the best considering your post wasn't worth reading either, but I only responded because I read it. Curse my ego and such and such.
Spectre loses at the Celestials.
Enjoy the rest of the thread everyone. 👆
The problem with using Day of Vengeance as the benchmark is that it was written that it didn't matter to Spectre how long he took [as time is nothing to a being like him], or what anyone tried to do, that he couldn't be stopped. And he accomplished what he set out to do, until he was eventually imprisoned in Crispus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magus disintegrates Galactus with a solar system level blast.Galactus needed help from Strange and Vishanti to reconstitute himself.
Death was trying to trick Strange, supposedly going to interfere with big G's reconstruction.
The Vishanti never showed up btw, and the Ancient One only advised Strange.
Galactus didn't get help from anyone.
