I think they are more powerful than him, though not overpoweringly so. I think that in general, Bane is a stronger swordsman than he is. Zannah's focus is not on swordplay, but she has the ability to compete with Krayt's speed and strength as she could Bane's and her defense is excellent and poses a true challenge for anyone to overcome.
Originally posted by Nephthys
She's much more powerful than Wyyrlok and is a better sorceress. Wyyrlok has no feats like overpowering Bane in TK or blocking the Thought Bomb. And Zannah has a shitton of sorcery from Nadd.
She's not "much more powerful" than somebody who's competed with Krayt in raw Force power, who is frankly more powerful than Bane as well.
The blocking Thought Bomb thing was in the original comics which has been retconned. Otherwise Bane would be telekinetically moving moons.
Also, "overpowering Bane"?
Originally posted by SunRazer
She's not "much more powerful" than somebody who's competed with Krayt in raw Force power, who is frankly more powerful than Bane as well.The blocking Thought Bomb thing was in the original comics which has been retconned. Otherwise Bane would be telekinetically moving moons.
Also, "overpowering Bane"?
Meh. Krayt blocked Wyyrloks two-handed lightning with one hand then when Wyyrlok hurled rocks at him he seized hold of them through Wyyrloks grip. Wyyrlok was decisively weaker imo. Even the Memory Walk had Krayt appear to fake being affected by it or at least blitz the shit out of him.
Uh no, she blocks it in the book as well.
She hits him with a Force Wave that smashes him into a wall despite him throwing up a shield to block it. For contexts sake, she surprised him from the side but he was able to still put up a Force shield in time and Bane had charged up his power before hand. At the least they are equals imo.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Meh. Krayt blocked Wyyrloks two-handed lightning with one hand then when Wyyrlok hurled rocks at him he seized hold of them through Wyyrloks grip. Wyyrlok was decisively weaker imo. Even the Memory Walk had Krayt appear to fake being affected by it or at least blitz the shit out of him.Uh no, she blocks it in the book as well.
She hits him with a Force Wave that smashes him into a wall despite him throwing up a shield to block it. For contexts sake, she surprised him from the side but he was able to still put up a Force shield in time and Bane had charged up his power before hand. At the least they are equals imo.
1. Of course Wyyrlok is weaker, but that doesn't matter considering Bane is weaker than Krayt as well.
2. The ritual firestorm, or the Thought Bomb?
3. Obviously the context matters, because the text makes it clear that neither Bane nor Zannah can directly overpower the other with telekinesis.
1) He isn't though. Regardless, Bane has superior TK and lightning than Wyyrlok and overall better feats demonstrating his power than him.
2) Both. Not that it matters, the comic version actually hasn't been retconned. It's still valid. I did kind of goof and meant the Force Storm. But Zannah did shrug off the effects of the Bomb.
3) Fair enough. My point stands, Wyyrlok is inferior to both Bane and Zannah in tk.
1. Bane hasn't replicated anything like what Krayt did to Cade, which is an immense showing of power and mastery.
Wyyrlok competing with Krayt (Bane's superior) means Bane's TK and Lightning aren't superior.
2. Not really. And it's not an actual power feat for the Thought Bomb. I'm pretty sure the storm block got retconned out of existence, unless it happened in the novel as well?
3. I'd say competing with Krayt > competing with Bane, as far as telekinesis goes. Sure, Zannah might have been a match for Bane, but Krayt's also above Bane in raw power, meaning that Wyyrlok's competition with him puts him above Zannah.
1. Wyyrlok didn't compete with him. Krayt easily blocked his Force attacks and merely threw some rocks at Wyyrlok in retaliation. At no point did Wyyrlok show that he was comparable to Krayt at all.
Also Bane can utterly disintegrate a dozen opponents at once with lightning and TK, that's better than tossing Cade back once.
2. I meant to write Force Storm so that is my bad. What I meant to say was "nah, Zannah blocks the Force Storm in the book".
3. Wyyrlok never competed with Krayt in TK. Also that's terrible logic, you're assuming that Bane and Zannah couldn't compete as well or better than Wyyrlok did. Even if Krayt > Bane (which isn't true), Krayt is also > Wyyrlok. So in no way does your estimation indicate Wyyrlok > Bane and Zannah.
Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Wyyrlok didn't compete with him. Krayt easily blocked his Force attacks and merely threw some rocks at Wyyrlok in retaliation. At no point did Wyyrlok show that he was comparable to Krayt at all.Also Bane can utterly disintegrate a dozen opponents at once with lightning and TK, that's better than tossing Cade back once.
2. I meant to write Force Storm so that is my bad. What I meant to say was "nah, Zannah blocks the Force Storm in the book".
3. Wyyrlok never competed with Krayt in TK. Also that's terrible logic, you're assuming that Bane and Zannah couldn't compete as well or better than Wyyrlok did. Even if Krayt > Bane (which isn't true), Krayt is also > Wyyrlok. So in no way does your estimation indicate Wyyrlok > Bane and Zannah.
1. How is that not competitive? They clashed for a fair amount of time in Force.
2. Under the amplifications of Orbalisks, Belia Darzu's holocron, and Darzu's Fortress, sure. Still not better than Krayt's Shatterpoint + Dark Transfer on Cade.
3. He competed in raw power, which is sufficient.
I'm more arguing that Zannah isn't more powerful, not that Wyyrlok is more powerful, though he could be because I see Krayt's edge over Bane as larger than his edge over Wyyrlok's.