Wyyrlok vs. Zannah

This ABC logic is pretty annoying.

Wyyrlok > Zannah in Illusions because Wyyrlok brought Krayt to his knees. Lot of people seem to forget that at the start of the comic Wyyrlok states that his biggest advantage over A'sharad is that he knows Krayt. More so than any of the other one Sith, in fact if memory serves me right the Crosscurrent/Riptide novels state that Krayt has a telepathic connection with the First Wyyrlok(I admittedly don't know if this is passed on to the 2nd and third generation of Wyyrloks) But yeah, knowing A'sharad fears(Aurra killing his dad and things like that) Kinda helped, tremendously. Having such intimate knowledge about his Lord gave Wyyrlok a big, big edge against Krayt.

In contrast Zannah's illusion have brought out the biggest fears in her victims. Set Harth, Darovit and the rest. So, as an Illusionist I'd place Zannah above Wyyrlok just based on how much more developed and brutal her illusions are.

I assume that Wyyrlok held his own against Krayt for a decent amount of time, but i hardly believe that he forced Krayt on the defensive or anything like that. I'm not overly impressed with Wyyrlok as a duelist, so I'd pretty much give it to Zannah. Better mastery of her form and she has a good amount of knowledge on combat to know when to switch to a counter-offense or to a defense. Not to mention she's much faster and has some strength(not that much but i digress)

I'd give the victory to Zannah, 6-7/10 In my humble opinion. Her illusions are far more developed, her defense and counter-offensive impressive me more and her force powers are somewhat more lethal. But this is just my opinion.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
This ABC logic is pretty annoying.

Wyyrlok > Zannah in Illusions because Wyyrlok brought Krayt to his knees. Lot of people seem to forget that at the start of the comic Wyyrlok states that his biggest advantage over A'sharad is that he knows Krayt. More so than any of the other one Sith, in fact if memory serves me right the Crosscurrent/Riptide novels state that Krayt has a telepathic connection with the First Wyyrlok(I admittedly don't know if this is passed on to the 2nd and third generation of Wyyrloks) But yeah, knowing A'sharad fears(Aurra killing his dad and things like that) Kinda helped, tremendously. Having such intimate knowledge about his Lord gave Wyyrlok a big, big edge against Krayt.

In contrast Zannah's illusion have brought out the biggest fears in her victims. Set Harth, Darovit and the rest. So, as an Illusionist I'd place Zannah above Wyyrlok just based on how much more developed and brutal her illusions are.

I assume that Wyyrlok held his own against Krayt for a decent amount of time, but i hardly believe that he forced Krayt on the defensive or anything like that. I'm not overly impressed with Wyyrlok as a duelist, so I'd pretty much give it to Zannah. Better mastery of her form and she has a good amount of knowledge on combat to know when to switch to a counter-offense or to a defense. Not to mention she's much faster and has some strength(not that much but i digress)

I'd give the victory to Zannah, 6-7/10 In my humble opinion. Her illusions are far more developed, her defense and counter-offensive impressive me more and her force powers are somewhat more lethal. But this is just my opinion.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. How is that not competitive? They clashed for a fair amount of time in Force.

2. Under the amplifications of Orbalisks, Belia Darzu's holocron, and Darzu's Fortress, sure. Still not better than Krayt's Shatterpoint + Dark Transfer on Cade.

3. He competed in raw power, which is sufficient.

I'm more arguing that Zannah isn't more powerful, not that Wyyrlok is more powerful, though he could be because I see Krayt's edge over Bane as larger than his edge over Wyyrlok's.

1. Wyyrlok attacked him with lightning which Krayt easily blocked. Wyyrlok attacked Krayt with TK which Krayt easily stopped and turned back on him.

How is any of that Wyyrlok demonstrating anything beyond what Bane and Zannah could do? Bane could attack Krayt with lightning and throw some rocks at him. Wyyrlok demonstrated nothing that could be called competitive. If Krayt had shown some actual effort in blocking Wyyrloks attacks then maybe. But he didn't.

Remember the whole point is demonstrating lightning and tk on Bane's level. Wyyrlok merely attacking Krayt with those things isn't him doing that, you understand.

2. Bane disintegrated a pair of beast riders and turned their 20 meter drexl into a smoking husk with one hand. And in DoE he was similarly capable of disintegrating armored opponents even whilst exhausted. He's also disintegrated rock. And you can lowball Bane's tk if you want but the fact is that he performed that feat multiple times easily.

3. At no point did he compete in raw power. 😬

You're seriously underestimating Bane. If you showed me some actual feats suggesting Wyyrlok is even as powerful as Bane I'd consider your point more, but all you've done is talk about the fight where Krayt was clearly much stronger than him.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
This ABC logic is pretty annoying.

Wyyrlok > Zannah in Illusions because Wyyrlok brought Krayt to his knees. Lot of people seem to forget that at the start of the comic Wyyrlok states that his biggest advantage over A'sharad is that he knows Krayt. More so than any of the other one Sith, in fact if memory serves me right the Crosscurrent/Riptide novels state that Krayt has a telepathic connection with the First Wyyrlok(I admittedly don't know if this is passed on to the 2nd and third generation of Wyyrloks) But yeah, knowing A'sharad fears(Aurra killing his dad and things like that) Kinda helped, tremendously. Having such intimate knowledge about his Lord gave Wyyrlok a big, big edge against Krayt.

In contrast Zannah's illusion have brought out the biggest fears in her victims. Set Harth, Darovit and the rest. So, as an Illusionist I'd place Zannah above Wyyrlok just based on how much more developed and brutal her illusions are.

I assume that Wyyrlok held his own against Krayt for a decent amount of time, but i hardly believe that he forced Krayt on the defensive or anything like that. I'm not overly impressed with Wyyrlok as a duelist, so I'd pretty much give it to Zannah. Better mastery of her form and she has a good amount of knowledge on combat to know when to switch to a counter-offense or to a defense. Not to mention she's much faster and has some strength(not that much but i digress)

I'd give the victory to Zannah, 6-7/10 In my humble opinion. Her illusions are far more developed, her defense and counter-offensive impressive me more and her force powers are somewhat more lethal. But this is just my opinion.

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Thanks for the support.

Originally posted by |King Joker|

What's a little rain to a Supreme?

@Nephthys -

1. I don't know if it was "easy".

2. You mean Lightning, not TK.

3. Wyyrlok's also casually deflected Andeddu's Lightning (deflecting Lightning at all "is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters", to say nothing of the fact that Wyyrlok easily repelled Lightning from a legendary ancient Sith Lord) and wrecked Andeddu with TP/Illusion.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy

1. Like I said at the start, Wyyrlok attacks Krayt with 2 hands for lightning, Krayt blocks him with 1. Wyyrlok attacks him with TK and Krayt doesn't just block him he catches the rocks himself and tosses them back while grinning. He's not having any issues.

Remember the whole point is demonstrating lightning and tk on Bane's level. Wyyrlok merely attacking Krayt with those things isn't him doing that, you understand.

2. Bane has disintegrated with both. I was referring to Bane disintegrating with tk when I pointed out that he performed that feat multiple times and easily. He could replicate it without any other factors.

3. Andeddu has no lightning feats and his main ability is mental illusions. So big deal, it doesn't indicate parity with Bane. And sorcery isn't really a valid comparison to use against Bane. Besides which sorcery is willpower based, not necessarily power based.

Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Like I said at the start, Wyyrlok attacks Krayt with 2 hands for lightning, Krayt blocks him with 1. Wyyrlok attacks him with TK and Krayt doesn't just block him he catches the rocks himself and tosses them back while grinning. He's not having any issues.

Remember the whole point is demonstrating lightning and tk on Bane's level. Wyyrlok merely attacking Krayt with those things isn't him doing that, you understand.

2. Bane has disintegrated with both. I was referring to Bane disintegrating with tk when I pointed out that he performed that feat multiple times and easily. He could replicate it without any other factors.

3. Andeddu has no lightning feats and his main ability is mental illusions. So big deal, it doesn't indicate parity with Bane. And sorcery isn't really a valid comparison to use against Bane. Besides which sorcery is willpower based, not necessarily power based.

1. I only see one hand for Wyyrlok, and Krayt matched him with one hand but used two hands to part the Lightning. Unless you're talking about another scan?

2. If he didn't have issues, he would immediately retaliate and kill Wyyrlok. He might not have been strained to the absolute maximum, but it wasn't just casual shrug-offs.

3. Lightning in of itself is immensely difficult to deflect bare-handed, and Andeddu is a reputably powerful Sith Lord, even if he hasn't shown feats of Lightning himself.

And Wyyrlok did wreck him in the mental game anyway. Regarding Sorcery, I'm making as much of a comparison to Zannah (she's the combatant here, after all) as Bane. And frankly Zannah's Illusions don't stack up to Wyyrlok's.