What does Batman brings to the table

Originally posted by abhilegend
He brings money to publishers. Wonder Woman doesn't.

But yeah, it's been mostly covered above. Flash may have a faster brain, but that can only help to a certain point when deduction and detective work are required. Flash is forensics, while Batman is forensics plus criminology plus psychology plus a host of other skills. He has the devious mind to understand other devious minds, the right amount of darkness to understand evil and the way criminals (and superbeings) think.

Strategy department? Bats has proven time and again that he can out think Wonder Woman and the others on the fly and come up with the winning play. Wonder Woman has great powers and skills, but no amount of training will make her as good as Batman in the other areas. And he is just as good at MA.

Green Lantern? Yeah his ring can do a lot, but I don't think it really provides applied knowledge. A lot of what Batman knows won't be found in a library.

Perhaps just as importantly Bats is the human element - and the JLA need that with all the other uber members. And to be in a team like that he needs to be damn good at everything he does. Sure Batman gets wanked by the writers sometimes, but so do Supes, WW and many others.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Wonderman still has a place and function on the Avengers even when Thor is there.

No.... he doesn't

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Money and resources. Most of their headquarters and tech is either made or funded by Bruce. Also his Intel is second to none. The GL ring is a database for the entire universe yet only covers the big targets while batman has information on criminals and targets that wouldn't be pegged on the ring

Originally posted by SquallX
I know this isn't a versus thread, but since this section gets the most flow, i thought I'll put it here.

Like the title says, what does Batman really brings to the table in the schemes of things. I would like an actually reasoning why he's useful and not that he's the Batman answer.

Authors for some reason thinks its smart of them to make the human out maneuver the superhuman beings. With Bruce being the ultimate plot device.

So lets' look at the main JL, and what they bring and compares it to Bruce. For this, were only using new 52.

Strategist- Diana was trained by the God of war himself, nothing Bruce come with that she herself couldn't thought off.

Detective- Barry is a forensics scientist. Not only that, since he's the Flash, he's brain allows him to do his job far better than Bruce. Anything Bruce could come up with, Barry would have already though of it.

Martial Artist- Again Diana's being trained by her mother, the Amazons, and Ares the God of War himself.

knowledge- People always claimed how knowledgeable Bruce is, yet forgets there's a guy with a ring that as knowledge about the universe.

So again, what it is that Bruce brings that makes him such a powerful force that the authors makes the other Leagues act stupid around him and magically forgets there powers?

Originally posted by Scoobless
No.... he doesn't

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What if Thor is in the fight against someone he can't beat easily and there are other heavy hitters then Wonder Man does the job because Thor is busy fighting someone else. Is there a person that Batman can beat that most if not all of the others couldn't that's the question.

Batman is the General, he doesn't need to fight, that's for the grunts.

Is it not usually the General that the enemy goes after plus he doesn't think that way he thinks he has to fight most if not all of the time.

More than Superman, period.

Originally posted by golem370
What if Thor is in the fight against someone he can't beat easily and there are other heavy hitters.

Iron Man, Vision, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Namor, Hulk, Red HUlk, Herc, Ms Marvel, etc... even Wolverine can delay / defeat some heavy hitting fighters.

An abundance of brawlers isn't a problem for the Avengers.

Originally posted by SquallX
This thread is not me bashing on Batman, far from it. I like Batman as a character, but when you have god like beings that can do anything you can, what good are you?

PR mentioned Sherlock, what good is Sherlock when you put him against a being like Superman?

Superman isn't a detective. Even taking in to account that he's a pretty good investigative reporter, it still doesn't make him as good at using any information he finds as Batman is.

Having all of the information isn't the same as putting two and two together.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Iron Man, Vision, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Namor, Hulk, Red HUlk, Herc, Ms Marvel, etc... even Wolverine can delay / defeat some heavy hitting fighters.

An abundance of brawlers isn't a problem for the Avengers.

Blue Marvel and Red hulk were avengers?

Those all weren't on at the same time right?

Originally posted by golem370
Is it not usually the General that the enemy goes after plus he doesn't think that way he thinks he has to fight most if not all of the time.

Nope, he thinks he has to win, him fighting is usually a small part of that.

What Batman brings is the insight to the supervillain mind that the others lack.

Wonder Woman? Please show some feat of Ares' supposed tactical acumen. Even then, DCU Ares has always been about the conflict, the death, the aggression, rather than the strategy. I know it is Marvel Ares, but he says it best:

The chain of command. Rules of engagement. This Geneva Convention thing. Medical evac. Supply lines. The white flag. The Red Cross. Worrying about evacuees and refugees. Taking prisoners. Losing the battle but winning the war. Cursed diplomats. The proper standard of grooming. Sensible things like having enough bullets before you go into battle. That's the dung my sister cares about. I'm the other God of War.

Barry? Sure, he can think up of a million scenarios. And choose what he BELIEVES is the correct response.

Doesn't mean that it would be the right one. He can still freeze up. Not to mention, you can read all the books you want on the criminal mind - doesn't mean you'd be an expert on how to out-maneuver Lex Luthor. Not to mention, a forensic scientist deals with crime AFTER it happens. Pretty useless if you want to stop the next event. Additionally, it means jack and squat when dealing with the psychology of crime - which is what being a detective is really all about.

Cyborg? He's a scientist. If I wanted to go on a quiz show, he'd be my backup. Figuring out where crime will next occur? Sure, he could crunch the probabilities. But dealing with an insane girl with a Power Ring? Batman would know which psychological buttons to push to make her stand down.

GL with his ring? The Oan Guardians know almost nothing about Earth and its humans - witness how many times they are surprised yet again by how unpredictable Hal Jordan/Guy Gardner was. Sure, they could describe the chemical composition of the atmosphere, how many animals were within a 5km radius of you - but a ring would be useless at telling you why someone was doing what they did.

People have already said a lot of what I've said. But I'd another item to the list. He brings respect, and is willing to take command in the field, which would be pretty damn important when you're in battle. Superman CAN lead, and he DOES inspire, but he is willing to take a backseat. That is his nature. Barry could crunch a billion scenarios, but would the League blindly follow him? Hal would gladly step up to the plate - but despite his leadership in the GL Corps, the others wouldn't really follow him in the same way they'd follow Bats.

Originally posted by Mindset
He brings all the boys to the yard.

Lol, apparently.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Blue Marvel and Red hulk were avengers?

Yeah, Red Hulk featured a lot in Avengers V4

Blue Marvel was in Mighty Avengers V2

Originally posted by golem370
Those all weren't on at the same time right?

No... well, maybe during some big event.

You could probably answer this in a number of different ways.

For one Batman is one of DC's most lucrative IPs if not the most. So from a company perspective you want him in for sales.

From a narrative perspective he is the most often the closest relatable character to the readers so having him in the books gives us someone of our 'level' to root for. Even though he is far from normal in anything.

From a team perspective he has always been shown to be one of the better thinkers both from an inventive point and a calculate the future standpoint.

You could argue each of the other JL members has feats that could show why that doesn't matter but that is how it has been portrayed. Or if it makes you feel better you could say that since Batman is the only 'mortal' of them that he has a unique perspective that the other members simply can not relate to which allows him to think outside of the box and come up with solutions no one else would. And he has the skill and resources to pull them off.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Blue Marvel and Red hulk were avengers?

Rulk yes. Bendis put him in the main Avengers team around Heroic Age / def. before Fear Itself.

BM just recently was a member of Cage's Black Avengers "Blavengers", I believe.

He's the most focused. For everyone else, fighting crime/monsters is a Parkeresque power/responsibility thing. For him, it just something that needs to be done and he doesn't trust anyone else to do it.

He doesn't get as distracted by friendships and relationships as others, and sometimes that singlemindedness saves the whole world when others just can't take that last risk.