but that limit was established as being VERY high--far higher than a normal hulk.... and i'd take dr green over a lantern as well. overwhelming physical power has been a problem with lanterns many many times in their history. not saying it's a clean sweep, or that lanterns don't have options, just that in comics, an overwhelming physical force can do bad things to a lantern.... i think maestro is certainly in the league that can do that...
Originally posted by leonidas
but that limit was established as being VERY high--far higher than a normal hulk.... and i'd take dr green over a lantern as well. overwhelming physical power has been a problem with lanterns many many times in their history. not saying it's a clean sweep, or that lanterns don't have options, just that in comics, an overwhelming physical force can do bad things to a lantern.... i think maestro is certainly in the league that can do that...
Against a Lantern, sure. Against a named Lantern? Against Sinestro, of all people? I'm quite partial to his chances.
I know Maestro is supposed to be stronger etc etc - but has he any actual feats? Against good opposition?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You haven't commented on the feat I gave you yet. How many characters can snap the Prof Hulk's neck?
I am sure that whatever character I say, you will dismiss it with a 'LOL' and an insult.
So I won't rise to it.
BUT:
Ultron has snapped the Hulk's leg before. And leg bones are stronger (relatively) than neck bones. Anyone else in that class, really. On KMC, Ultron is in the Low Herald class. So we can be generous, and I will say bricks in the High Herald and below.
Gray Hulk had his neck snapped in WWH by the Gamma Corps, who weren't all that impressive - am sure we could go round and round debating who has the better durability feats between the two Hulk incarnations, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am sure that whatever character I say, you will dismiss it with a 'LOL' and an insult.So I won't rise to it.
BUT:
Ultron has snapped the Hulk's leg before. And leg bones are stronger (relatively) than neck bones. Anyone else in that class, really. On KMC, Ultron is in the Low Herald class. So we can be generous, and I will say bricks in the High Herald and below.
Gray Hulk had his neck snapped in WWH by the Gamma Corps, who weren't all that impressive - am sure we could go round and round debating who has the better durability feats between the two Hulk incarnations, lol.
Well you can say that, but you would be wrong. And you asked for feats, not me. What I get from your answer is that you don't think snapping the Professor Hulk neck is a big deal. 😮
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Well you can say that, but you would be wrong. And you asked for feats, not me. What I get from your answer is that you don't think snapping the [B]Professor Hulk neck is a big deal. 😮 [/B]
Prof was just Savage with the intellect of Banner, and the inability to get super angry, though. So why wouldn't their feats be transferable, particularly as I've been told time and time again that Hulk is Hulk, and all his feats are transferable across incarnations?
Ultron, a low Herald, has snapped Savage Hulk's leg bones. Prof is Savage Hulk, with Banner's intellect. So I fail to see the difference.
So no, I don't think it's all that. ESPECIALLY if it is Maestro's highest feat.
Sinestro (without Parallax) ripped the Ion entity out of Kyle, and contained it in a construct.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Against a Lantern, sure. Against a named Lantern? Against Sinestro, of all people? I'm quite partial to his chances.I know Maestro is supposed to be stronger etc etc - but has he any actual feats? Against good opposition?
i'm talking about the named lanterns--hal, kyle, guy, john--all of them have had difficulty against guys with huge amounts of strength. like i said, i don't see it being a sweep, (we've seen what sinestro was capable of vs mongul...) but in i'd still take maestro for a small majority. he's not only hugely strong, but crazy smart as well. given cis parameters, i'd say sinestro is a better match up though than a green lantern. sinestro will create weapons designed to kill, where that is a lot less likely of one of the greens...
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm talking about the named lanterns--hal, kyle, guy, john--all of them have had difficulty against guys with huge amounts of strength. like i said, i don't see it being a sweep, (we've seen what sinestro was capable of vs mongul...) but in i'd still take maestro for a small majority. he's not only hugely strong, but crazy smart as well. given cis parameters, i'd say sinestro is a better match up though than a green lantern. sinestro will create weapons designed to kill, where that is a lot less likely of one of the greens...
Mongul was stomping Sinestro until the end.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Prof was just Savage with the intellect of Banner, and the inability to get super angry, though. So why wouldn't their feats be transferable, particularly as I've been told time and time again that Hulk is Hulk, and all his feats are transferable across incarnations?Ultron, a low Herald, has snapped Savage Hulk's leg bones. Prof is Savage Hulk, with Banner's intellect. So I fail to see the difference.
So no, I don't think it's all that. ESPECIALLY if it is Maestro's highest feat.
Sinestro (without Parallax) ripped the Ion entity out of Kyle, and contained it in a construct.
I'm not exacty sure of the scenario you are talking about, but Ultron 13 was portrayed as a full fledged team buster in the past, or were you unaware of that? How is that a low level herald? So you scans, what year is that from? In any case, it's a low showing, and the rules say we go by averages. That is, unless you want somene to break out one of Sinestro's many low showings.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm not exacty sure of the scenario you are talking about, but Ultron 13 was portrayed as a full fledged team buster in the past, or were you unaware of that? How is that a low level herald? Provide scans if you want what you are presenting to be considered.
We must have posted at the exact same time, lol. But yeah, was during the Secret Wars. Think that was Ultron 11.
And I do NOT make the herald tiers.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm not exacty sure of the scenario you are talking about, but Ultron 13 was portrayed as a full fledged team buster in the past, or were you unaware of that? How is that a low level herald? So you scans, what year is that from? In any case, it's a low showing, and the rules say we go by averages. That is, unless you want somene to break out one of Sinestro's many low showings.
Hehe I keep hitting refresh, and seeing your edits.
So what are Maestro's averages, then? What are his feats? We obv can't just go by on one showing, unless of course that is all the showings Maestro has. You have shown him snapping Hulk's neck, I have shown someone else ALSO snapping Hulk's bones, but apparently my showing is a low showing for Hulk, and yours is a high showing for Maestro?
Besides, I don't make the tiers. KMC has made them - whether I agree with them or not, if I want to continue posting here, I kinda have to abide by the rules.
So going back to my original question, what has Maestro actually done? Just so I can get a grasp on his average.