Originally posted by carver9
So he PHYSICALLY broke Hulk leg? I'm not seeing it. Also, Hulk didn't even have a healing factor back then and was it even explained what happened to Hulk keg during that instance? Hulk after that became more powerful.
Keep reaching, carver.
Actually, now that you're here - what other feats does Maestro have?
Edit: Honest answer. I didn't really read comics around that time period when Maestro came about. So I don't really know his feats.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hehe I keep hitting refresh, and seeing your edits.So what are Maestro's averages, then? What are his feats? We obv can't just go by on one showing, unless of course that is all the showings Maestro has. You have shown him snapping Hulk's neck, I have shown someone else ALSO snapping Hulk's bones, but apparently my showing is a low showing for Hulk, and yours is a high showing for Maestro?
Besides, I don't make the tiers. KMC has made them - whether I agree with them or not, if I want to continue posting here, I kinda have to abide by the rules.
So going back to my original question, what has Maestro actually done? Just so I can get a grasp on his average.
Maestro is an alternate reality character with three appearances I believe. His showings have been high, but there have not been a ton of feats. But the difference between Maestro's showing and the one of Hulk you pulled from the dark ages is that yours is very clearly a low showing based on Hulk's extensive history. Maestro is STRONGER than the Hulk. That's both stated and demonstrated. Maestro will be able to handle anything that Sinsestro can dish out.
Originally posted by carver9
So he PHYSICALLY broke Hulk leg? I'm not seeing it. Also, Hulk didn't even have a healing factor back then and was it even explained what happened to Hulk leg during that instance? Hulk after that became more powerful.
It's both a low showing and a retarded scenario to get one's leg broke by and energy blast.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Maestro is an alternate reality character with three appearances I believe. His showings have been high, but there have not been a ton of feats. But the difference between Maestro's showing and the one of Hulk you pulled from the dark ages is that yours is very clearly a low showing based on Hulk's extensive history. Maestro is STRONGER than the Hulk. That's both stated and demonstrated. Maestro will be able to handle anything that Sinsestro can dish out.
Well, if he's only had three appearances, and all three of them are high, then he obv has a high average.
I just wanted to know because like I said to carver, I didn't actually keep up with Maestro, so genuinely do not know what he can do.
Please don't do a carver and start dismissing feats just because they are old. Dark Ages or not, it still happened, in a canon comic.
Is he stronger than Savage/Merged/Fixit/WWH/Doc Green/Indestructible/WBH/War Hulk? That's what I'm trying to gauge.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Keep reaching, carver.Actually, now that you're here - what other feats does Maestro have?
Edit: Honest answer. I didn't really read comics around that time period when Maestro came about. So I don't really know his feats.
Not many showings for the character but the scan Blue posted, they had a rematch and Maestro took Professor Hulk out in a couple of blows. Had him on the ground crawling, both eyes shut, and was unable to stand. Think it took 3 hits. This same Hulk fought Thor for hours (Professor Hulk) and during some of that time, Thor was in Warrior Madness. Let's also not forget his adamantium hard skin moment as well. Hell, even in the scan you showed, he dented Adamantium with a punch. Almost forgot, Maestro tried to pick up Thor hammer and was able to move it (and yes, the enchantment was brought up).
Professor Hulk was powerful and for Maestro to treat him like fodder, thats above anything Sinestro can muster.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So IYO, he's a trans? Would you fancy his chances against WWH?
I don't know how he would do against WWH. I also don't know where to place him tier wise. I would also like to correct my error. He hit Professor Hulk a total of 6 times. Not counting the first two because he was severely damaged (Hulk tossed a shield through his chest and then tried to cut him in half with it. He punched Hulk off of him and then hit him again). Here is where the fight truly begun and as shown, only a couple of hits.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, if he's only had three appearances, and all three of them are high, then he obv has a high average.I just wanted to know because like I said to carver, I didn't actually keep up with Maestro, so genuinely do not know what he can do.
Please don't do a carver and start dismissing feats just because they are old. Dark Ages or not, it still happened, in a canon comic.
Is he stronger than Savage/Merged/Fixit/WWH/Doc Green/Indestructible/WBH/War Hulk? That's what I'm trying to gauge.
And I'll repeat myself, the board goes by averages, not low showings, cannon or not. The scan you showed is an outlier. Surprised you didn't break out Hulk being choked out by a snake. If you want and actual pin point power level for Maestro, you won't get one because it wasn't stated.
Originally posted by carver9
Not many showings for the character but the scan Blue posted, they had a rematch and Maestro took Professor Hulk out in a couple of blows. Had him on the ground crawling, both eyes shut, and was unable to stand. Think it took 3 hits. This same Hulk fought Thor for hours (Professor Hulk) and during some of that time, Thor was in Warrior Madness. Let's also not forget his adamantium hard skin moment as well. Hell, even in the scan you showed, he dented Adamantium with a punch. Almost forgot, Maestro tried to pick up Thor hammer and was able to move it (and yes, the enchantment was brought up).Professor Hulk was powerful and for Maestro to treat him like fodder, thats above anything Sinestro can muster.
Yes, forgot about moving the hammer. Something tells me it still won't be enough for Saint and the other's who think this is an even match, but we'll see.
Originally posted by leonidas
there are also all the allusions to him having beaten and killed pretty well every hero in his future....he was def WELL above the prof hulk and i'd place him above wwh as well, though obviously wwh would amp beyond him if he truly needed to...maestro was bad a$$ fo 'sho.
Yeah. Current Hulk is having those same visions as well. Of him killing everyone in the future. Hope we get to see Maestro. Feel bad for Marvel earth if he shows up.
Originally posted by leonidas
there are also all the allusions to him having beaten and killed pretty well every hero in his future....he was def WELL above the prof hulk and i'd place him above wwh as well, though obviously wwh would amp beyond him if he truly needed to...maestro was bad a$$ fo 'sho.
Is this enough, Saint? Hello, anyone here?
Originally posted by leonidas
there are also all the allusions to him having beaten and killed pretty well every hero in his future....he was def WELL above the prof hulk and i'd place him above wwh as well, though obviously wwh would amp beyond him if he truly needed to...maestro was bad a$$ fo 'sho.
I never got that. It was said a nuclear war happened and most of the heroes were killed so we have no idea who maestro killed or didn't. Nor do the alternate reality version of those characters have any feats.
We need to step back a little here.
Maestro won't even touch him 😐
Amazing that after 10 years we're stilling going off the assumption that one of the more intelligent lanterns in corps history isn't smart enough to stay out of the reach of someone who can't fly.
If this is the argument ones wishes to stand by, why the **** is one debating on KMC?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So IYO, he's a trans? Would you fancy his chances against WWH?
Maestro, who in turn absolutely humiliated Huk, would therefore be at the very least high trans/skyfather.
Sinestro and his create-anything ring and a history of high end energy output and consistent overpowering of top lanterns naturally stands no chance. He will fight Maestro physically.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Is this enough, Saint? Hello, anyone here?
A: Wow you're needy. Some of us have better things to do.
B: Def not enough. Especially this. Because carver uses the same argument to argue against the Injustice universe. Had he brought it up, or agreed with it, it would be incredibly hypocritical of him.
I was being friendly, and attempting to learn. You for some reason want to swing your e-dick around. Well guess what, hey, you can be the don here if you want. My ego isn't so fragile that I feel the need to mark my territory, which seems to happen when you show up.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A: Wow you're needy. Some of us have better things to do.B: Def not enough. Especially this. Because carver uses the same argument to argue against the Injustice universe. Had he brought it up, or agreed with it, it would be incredibly hypocritical of him.
I was being friendly, and attempting to learn. You for some reason want to swing your e-dick around. Well guess what, hey, you can be the don here if you want. My ego isn't so fragile that I feel the need to mark my territory, which seems to happen when you show up.
Because I asked for you to reply to the new information? Sorry son, you are the one cocking a stank attitude. Looks like you are upset to find out that Maestro is indeed more powerful than you knew. That's not my fault, as a matter of fact, I tried to help you out and advise you. Read more comics. Looks like you are straight now.