Khan vs Khan

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
im glad you finally got the joke.

as for #23: in a 1v1, old jordan would spend the entire time getting dunked on by nu-jordan. however basketball is a contest which relies mostly on physical ability whereas combat in star trek mostly has a tactical naval combat theme, centered around a captain on a bridge giving orders more typically than flying roundhouse kicks...and iirc old-khan nearly stomped kirk at his own game.

anyway, if you're talking about pure h2h, of course the younger would beat the older. it's a silly spite topic though, pitting old dude against his younger self. what's the point of it?

I was comparing two 32 year old Jordan's to each other. One played bball and one gave up. Both are physically the same age. The one who went on with the experience would decimate the one who pursued other interests.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was used for his savagery. His training and hand to hand fighting ability was shown to be far greater than the Khan who fought Kirk.

He was obviously portrayed as a super soldier. I guess you aren't familiar with his duties on top of the scene you're familiar with watching.

Would you like me to educate you ?

What he was used for by Markus wasn't the question. I noted what he was used for.

Maybe you should just answer the question the first time? Progress and that.

by having nu-khan vs original khan, you are pitting a young man against his senior citizen self. so i took the liberty of changing your scenario to be more accurate.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
by having nu-khan vs original khan, you are pitting a young man against his senior citizen self. so i took the liberty of changing your scenario to be more accurate.

nu-khan had a far wider playing field than original khan, who was limited to only manipulating the crew of the enterprise, since they were all on the same ship in the middle of nowhere. its apples to oranges. nu-khan had time and opportunity to observe the entire federation from within and plot against it.

Originally posted by Robtard
What he was used for by Markus wasn't the question. I noted what he was used for.

Maybe you should just answer the question the first time? Progress and that.

Marcus used him to design weapons and warships. Why would he be unskilled at using the very weapons he had designed ?

"Section 31; They were developing defense technologies and training our officers to gather intelligence on the Klingons and any other potential enemy with the means to do us harm. He was one of our top agents."

I am ****ing amazing.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nu-khan had a far wider playing field than original khan, who was limited to only manipulating the crew of the enterprise, since they were all on the same ship in the middle of nowhere. its apples to oranges. nu-khan had time and opportunity to observe the entire federation from within and plot against it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Marcus used him to design weapons and warships. Why would he be unskilled at using the very weapons he had designed ?

"Section 31; They were developing defense technologies and [B]training our officers to gather intelligence on the Klingons and any other potential enemy with the means to do us harm. He was one of our top agents."

I am ****ing amazing. [/B]

Weapons designing (and logically using) was noted already.

As I said "relevant training" as it pertains to this fight. 'Intelligence Gathering' is a none factor here since they're facing off in a duel.

Do you have a relevant answer?

Originally posted by Robtard
Weapons designing (and logically using) was noted already.

As I said "relevant training" as it pertains to this fight. 'Intelligence Gathering' is a none factor here since they're facing off in a duel.

Do you have a relevant answer?

Dear lord. Do you know how many militarized operations use no training with all the evidence we've seen here. This is why I don't post evidence or use logical thinking often with you because you're a blabbering, ignorant, baboon incapable of intelligence or to admit he's wrong.

This will be the last time I ever post evidence for you. I'll just mock you in kiind while I save the evidence to someone at least attempting to use rational thought.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree he was far greater than space seed Khan. NuKhan was far better hand to hand wise. He was also a better schemer. Old Khan should never be compared to NuKhan. It isn't close nor will it ever be.

nukhan was unfrozen into a scenario with far more opportunity than old khan. this doesnt mean he has more abilites. if we both go to a poker game, i get to start with $1000 and you're only given $50...if clean you out, does that make me the better player?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nukhan was unfrozen into a scenario with far more opportunity than old khan. this doesnt mean he has more abilites. if we both go to a poker game, i get to start with $1000 and you're only given $50...if clean you out, does that make me the better player?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you feel training only meant interrogation ? So despite his feats, his intelligence, the word training against all kinds of threats, weapons he clearly used himself in combat you say he had no relevant training ?

Dear lord. Do you know how many militarized operations use no training with all the evidence we've seen here. This is why I don't post evidence or use logical thinking often with you because you're a blabbering, ignorant, baboon incapable of intelligence or to admit he's wrong.

This will be the last time I ever post evidence for you. I'll just mock you in kiind while I save the evidence to someone at least attempting to use rational thought.

IOW: You made a claim you can't support and instead of just admitting you made an error and move on, you're going to try and start another flame war as a means to distract away from your error. Very childish, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: You made a claim you can't support and instead of just admitting you made an error and move on, you're going to try and start another flame war as a means to distract away from your error. Very childish, imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He had better experiences and training hence why he was greater. Same DNA but with different experiences. That's been my point the entire time.

training? he's a genetically modified super human psychopath with vastly superior intellect. his ability to plot and manipulate others is instinctive and requires zero training or experience.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
training? he's a genetically modified super human psychopath with vastly superior intellect. his ability to manipulate others is instinctive and requires zero training or experience.

Hence why NuKhan was far greater than Old Khan in all areas.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
training? he's a genetically modified super human psychopath with vastly superior intellect. his ability to plot and manipulate others is instinctive and requires zero training or experience.

that part about training is really not true, though. all nu/old-khan really did was manipulate people, which he probably easily mastered from near-infancy. remember that most people are simple and transparent to him, so it's all just shooting ducks in a barrel.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that part about training is really not true, though. all nu/old-khan really did was manipulate people, which he probably easily mastered from near-infancy. remember that most people are simple and transparent to him, so it's all just shooting ducks in a barrel.

he already had the ability. khan was already an accomplished ruler/warrior before he was frozen. you seem to be approaching the topic as if he was hatched rather than woken up.

thedkeffect hasn't actually seen any of the episodes/movies dealing with OG Khan.