Kingdom Come Captain Marvel Vs Gladiator

Started by riv66723 pages

Same thing i was going to point out in the scan.

Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't he presumably "Shazam!, Shazam!, Shazam!" back into regular ol' Billy when the nuke detonated? That's always been how I interpreted it. Marvel was depicted/described as Superman's equal in every way, after all, so it's hard for me to imagine him being inextricably vaporized by a county-busting blast that Superman tanked. /shrug

If you're correct and he was vaporized only because he turned back into Billy, I change my answer to :
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Cap stomps easily

Why did you use such a high pitched voice to say it? 😉

I dont know about CM being Billy when the bomb went off. That wasnt shown or hinted at at all in the story, not in text or illustration. Id say he screamed SHAZAM 3 times more for dramatic effect, over them suggesting it was Billy who was killed there, not CM.

I like the the Bully theory better.
As many times as him saying Shazam has been a plot point in his stories, both classic and modern, that cant have been a coincidence.

Billy died not cap. Cap stomps

Yrs and yes IMO.

Go to the bar already, lush.

Gladiator, easily. Far better trained and likely stronger based on feats.

Got some h2h scans that show his skillz

Originally posted by DTM
I dont know about CM being Billy when the bomb went off. That wasnt shown or hinted at at all in the story, not in text or illustration. Id say he screamed SHAZAM 3 times more for dramatic effect, over them suggesting it was Billy who was killed there, not CM.
👆 It wasn't said even once that Cap reverted to Billy. However, it was said that the bomb was specifically designed for killing metahumans and even characters like Donna Troy and Power Woman (Power Girl) died when it hit them. I think that there's enough evidence to conclude that it was the bomb itself that killed batson.

Originally posted by DTM
I dont know about CM being Billy when the bomb went off. That wasnt shown or hinted at at all in the story, not in text or illustration. Id say he screamed SHAZAM 3 times more for dramatic effect, over them suggesting it was Billy who was killed there, not CM.

He was using his super speed to avoid the lightning every time he called it on Superman.m

Yes, I know that, when did I say otherwise? 🙂

As for it being Billy dying over CM, I dont see it personally, nice theory, but not one that was shown or hinted at in the actual story.

He screamed "Shazam, Shazam, Shazam", and didn't move away before the lightning struck. That doesn't imply that he was transformed back to Billy, iyo?

Fact is, he turns back to Billy when he screams Shazam. He said it three times and he started as CM, so
1. CM turns to Billy
2. Billy Turns to CM
3. CM turns to Billy
Billy is dead.

Originally posted by Galan007
He screamed "Shazam, Shazam, Shazam", and didn't move away before the lightning struck. That doesn't imply that he was transformed back to Billy, iyo?

No, not at all. There was no mention from anyone that it was Billy who died, nor visually showing of Marvel turning to Billy at the last second (both of which would have been easy enough for the writer or artist to do). Heck, by your reasoning, Marvel should have turned to Billy, then back to Marvel, then again to Billy before he died, yet we clearly saw that wasnt the case. Of course this is speculation, on both of our parts, Im going by what I see, as you are yours, though as no one actually involved in KC ever mentioned that CM turned into Billy at the end, Ill stick with whats actually shown in the story. 🙂

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Fact is, he turns back to Billy when he screams Shazam. He said it three times and he started as CM, so
1. CM turns to Billy
2. Billy Turns to CM
3. CM turns to Billy
Billy is dead.

Yet we never saw CM turn to Billy, nor Billy turn to CM, in that scene. Something that if the writer meant it to be, the aritst could easily have illustrated it as such.

Originally posted by DTM
Yet we never saw CM turn to Billy, nor Billy turn to CM, in that scene. Something that if the writer meant it to be, the aritst could easily have illustrated it as such.

It was just one picture in a whole page, you think it would add to the story to see him turn to CM back again and so on? This is kind of unecessary.

Alex Ross could have Easily drawn it as such, using panels showing the back to back transformation, if it was meant to be so. Yes, that could have been shown in the story, but it wasnt, nor was it even hinted at.

If we want to feel better about Marvels durability, we could say that him being at Ground Zero of the blast caused him much more damage, and that it was a special futuristic nuclear bomb (supposedly designed to use against superhumans), could also be a reason why he was killed. That is at least as plausible as him turning to Billy and it being him who as killed, if not moreso.