Kingdom Come Captain Marvel Vs Gladiator

Started by Prof. T.C McAbe3 pages
Originally posted by DTM
Alex Ross could have Easily drawn it as such, using panels showing the back to back transformation, if it was meant to be so. Yes, that could have been shown in the story, but it wasnt, nor was it even hinted at.

No one shows everything, we don't see Hulk transform every time, nor Superman change his socks, I mean, seriously?

Come now, thats hardly a fair comparison.

My point is simple, if the creators of KC wanted us to believe it was Billy who died from the bomb, and not CM, they easily could have put something there, either visual or in writing, to suggest or state that. They didnt, there is literally no mention or hinting of this in the story.

In convergence KC Marvel beat pre-52 Martian Manhunter for what it's worth

i'd take cm for a slight majority.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Fact is, he turns back to Billy when he screams Shazam. He said it three times and he started as CM, so
1. CM turns to Billy
2. Billy Turns to CM
3. CM turns to Billy
Billy is dead.
I agree.

Originally posted by DTM
Come now, thats hardly a fair comparison.

My point is simple, if the creators of KC wanted us to believe it was Billy who died from the bomb, and not CM, they easily could have put something there, either visual or in writing, to suggest or state that. They didnt, there is literally no mention or hinting of this in the story.

The 'hint' is the amount of times he screamed "SHAZAM!", coupled with the fact that he didn't avoid the subsequent lightning.

...And it's a pretty blatant hint at that, imo.

Originally posted by -K-M-
In convergence KC Marvel beat pre-52 Martian Manhunter for what it's worth
is there a single character that couldn't beat pre 52 manjobber?

Originally posted by Galan007
He screamed "Shazam, Shazam, Shazam", and didn't move away before the lightning struck. That doesn't imply that he was transformed back to Billy, iyo?
No.

Wow. Just wow at your refusal to concede a point.
At least 3 posters have broken it down for you very succinctly.

I too dont believe CM was Billy when he was killed in KC, though as that topic is detracting from the CM vs Gladiator post here, I decided to hold fire on continuing to debate it. 🙂

From what i can tell it was Billy that died

Beats me why CM would change back and forth, seems kind of stupid because it helps nothing. Did he say it three times to let the lightning strike the bomb and destroy/set it off????

Originally posted by JBL
Beats me why CM would change back and forth, seems kind of stupid because it helps nothing. Did he say it three times to let the lightning strike the bomb and destroy/set it off????

If he doesn't avoid the lightning, every time he calls it down, he will turn. Hence the use of it as a weapon (which I believe, he used for the first time in Kingdom Come). Before Kingdom Come, he had never used the 'call it down then use my speed to avoid it' trick.

In KC, he used it as a weapon to blow the nuke up. And stacked three lightning strikes on top of each other.

^^^thats what i got from it.

And, DTM is right. Subject dropped.