Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka vs B-Team

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So what? We're just supposed to pretend Fisto improved to ROTS Kenobi's level with Zero feats to place him there?

That's like saying Anakin was no match for Dooku in AOTC therefore he was no match for him in ROTS, because Dooku wasn't just sitting on his ass for 3 years while Anakin was improving.

Also Fisto apparently being Kenobi's superior in Cestus Deception means very little considering Fisto got solidly beaten by Ventress in that same novel. Then not long after Kenobi solidly beat Ventress in TCW Movie.

Kenobi's feats are way above Fisto's. That's why he's placed firmly higher.

That's not what I'm saying, besides, people plateau, and Anakin learned much faster than most. I'm not saying Fisto remained his superior at all, just that it would be a good fight.

And if you're going to use the Ventress fight, at least be slightly aware why she won.

Too strong in B teams favor, Anakin and Mace would be a long duel and he's getting ganked after Obi-Wan gets ganked.

Originally posted by Selenial

And if you're going to use the Ventress fight, at least be slightly aware why she won.

I'm very aware of the excuses that she studied him first.

She beat him solidly. End of.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm very aware of the excuses that she studied him first.

She beat him solidly. End of.

That's also because Fisto's Style is stated as being inherently weak to Makashi.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm very aware of the excuses that she studied him first.

She beat him solidly. End of.

Well that's wrong, so obviously no. She realized his style, yes, that's important. What's more important is that Ventress is a duelist who relies on Speed, not strength.

Kit Fisto's form is inherently shit for dueling, the wide arcs required leave practitioners open almost constantly. His way of eliminating this weakness was his ferocious speed, and unfortunately Ventress was capable of matching him in this department, leading it to come down to her form vs his.

Her form was basically designed to beat his. If you wanted to tailor someone specifically to take down Kit Fisto, you'd basically be creating Ventress.

I see DP is continuing his shameless and transparent smear campaign against the noble and venerable Master Fisto.

Kit's definitely on par with Obi-Wan. He manhandled Grievous just as {if not more} decisively and was chosen to be Mace's backup for Sidious while Kenobi was sent after Grievous, a much less dangerous and formidable figure. 👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I see DP is continuing his shameless and transparent smear campaign against the noble and venerable Master Fisto.

Kit's definitely on par with Obi-Wan. He manhandled Grievous just as {if not more} decisively and was chosen to be Mace's backup for Sidious while Kenobi was sent after Grievous, a much less dangerous and formidable figure. 👆

Oh and the Obi-Wan hater is back.

I knew it wouldn't be long before your Kenobi hatred showed up on this thread.

Yet still failing to produce any evidence (as per usual) that puts Fisto on par with someone whose consistently proven himself to be on par with the likes of Darth Maul and Darth Vader.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
That's also because Fisto's Style is stated as being inherently weak to Makashi.

Yeah also a lame excuse.

No style is inherently weak to another. They all have their advantages and disadvantages.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah also a lame excuse.

No style is inherently weak to another. They all have their advantages and disadvantages.

That is genuinely one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

Originally posted by Selenial
That is genuinely one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

Then clearly you need to brush up on SW fighting styles from scratch.

Oh and grow some common sense while you're at it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Then clearly you need to brush up on SW fighting styles from scratch.

Oh and grow some common sense while you're at it.

I can't tell if you're serious.

Originally posted by Selenial
I can't tell if you're serious.

Like I said, grow yourself some common sense. You'll work it out when you do.

Originally posted by Selenial
That is genuinely one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

Originally posted by ILS
LOL. No offence DP but it's true, and your post was almost self-contradictory.

What?

Feel free to point out the self contradiction.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Like I said, grow yourself some common sense. You'll work it out when you do.

"Because the ancient Jedi did not have lightsaber-wielding enemies, Form I does not address the lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat." - Cin Drallig

No, please, do continue.

Originally posted by Selenial
"Because the ancient Jedi did not have lightsaber-wielding enemies, Form I does not address the lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat." - Cin Drallig

No, please, do continue.

You do realise you've not actually made an argument there right?

Evidence is supposed to support your argument, not make it for you. You'll realise when you grow some common sense.

As for the proof you've provided, all you're actually doing is proving Fisto 's style is inherently weak at duelling period.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh and the Obi-Wan hater is back.

sick burn bro

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I knew it wouldn't be long before your Kenobi hatred showed up on this thread.

even sicker burn, bro!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yet still failing to produce any evidence (as per usual) that puts Fisto on par with someone whose consistently proven himself to be on par with the likes of Darth Maul and Darth Vader.

Sure. All we need do is compare their performance/s against Grievous. Fisto beat dat ass and required Grievous to summon backup. Meanwhile, the ol' general regularly takes on Obi-Wan alone unaided and Obi-Wan struggles more than Fisto did.

Between that and the fact that Fisto was chosen to serve as backup against Sidious whilst Obi-Wan was sent to face a far weaker adversary... I'd say that's definitely evidence enough to infer parity between the two.

Remember, I'm not saying Fisto > Obi-Wan, but that the two are simply on par. Which they are.

👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You do realise you've not actually made an argument there right?

Evidence is supposed to support your argument, not make it for you. You'll realise when you grow some common sense.

As for the proof you've provided, all you're actually doing is proving Fisto 's style is inherently weak at duelling period.

I made the argument, to which you replied something hilariously wrong. The evidence just proved you wrong totally, if you wish to re-read my argument you can find it above.

And yes, that's exactly what I said. If you wish me to go find quotes about Makashi being a form designed to fix the shortcomings of Form I then I'll be happy to, but it's probably easier if you fix your ignorance by consulting Wookieepedia.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
sick burn bro

even sicker burn, bro!

Whatever you say my stalker.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sure. All we need do is compare their performance/s against Grievous. Fisto beat dat ass and required Grievous to summon backup. Meanwhile, the ol' general regularly takes on Obi-Wan alone unaided and Obi-Wan struggles more than Fisto did.

Yeah beating Grievous isn't nearly enough to put him on par with Maul or Vader.

Not that he actually did beat him anyway.

And FYI Kenobi faced Grievous + 2 Magnaguards in "Grievous Intiruge" which ended with the 2 Magnaguards trashed, and Grievous running. Whilst Fisto is the one who ran from Grievous + Magnaguards.

Sorry brah, you'll have to do better.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Between that and the fact that Fisto was chosen to serve as backup against Sidious whilst Obi-Wan was sent to face a far weaker adversary...

Geez desperate much?

I asked for evidence. Not your own personal (and pretty twisted) interpretation of the events in ROTS.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd say that's definitely evidence enough to infer parity between the two.

Nah brah. That's called speculation. Look it up if you don't get the meaning.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Remember, I'm not saying Fisto > Obi-Wan, but that the two are simply on par. Which they are.

👆

Oh it's a fact now? Cool story. Feel free to give me this magical source that made this a fact.

Filoni (or word of god as you put it so many time) claims end of S4 Maul and Opress were no match for Kenobi without the element of surprise. Care to give ANY Evidence at all, that Fisto is even close to that level.

I mean seriously, ANY Evidence. Any whatsoever.

I'm listening.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whatever you say my stalker.

I'm continuing to espouse a platform I've defended for a long time. 👆

Didn't you just waltz into a random thread in the EU section specifically to troll me? 😂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah beating Grievous isn't nearly enough to put him on par with Maul or Vader.

Sorry bra, you'll have to do better.

I never said it did. I simply said we can use their respective performance/s against the same adversary to gauge their abilities. And in that light, Fisto performed on par with Obi-Wan. 👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Geez desperate much?

I asked for evidence. Not your own personal (and pretty twisted) interpretation of the events in ROTS.

That is indeed evidence. Obi-Wan was chosen to pursue Grievous while Fisto was kept in reserve against Sidious. But you're certainly free to think Grievous is a more formidable adversary than Sidious. 👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah brah. That's called speculation. Look it up if you don't get the meaning.

"brah" 😂

The naked hostility and regurgitating my affectionate epithets... you're fraying pretty rapidly.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh it's a fact now? Cool story. Feel free to give me this magical source that made this a fact.

Filoni (or word of god as you put it so many time) claims end of S4 Maul and Opress were no match for Kenobi without the element of surprise. Care to give ANY Evidence at all, that Fisto is even close to that level.

I mean seriously, ANY Evidence. Any whatsoever.

I'm listening.

Curiously, nothing said by Filoni there puts Obi-Wan > Fisto. mmm

Which means you're using evidence to draw conclusions otherwise not spelled out for your own argument. And yet the burden of proof should be higher for me? Hardly.

It's not my fault my case is stronger than yours. Once you calm down and breathe a bit, you'll understand. You always come around to my way of thinking anyway. 👆

Obi-Wan struggles more than Fisto did.

Not always. Obi-Wan seems to get more proficient at fighting Grievous as the series goes on.

Fisto was chosen to serve as backup against Sidious whilst Obi-Wan was sent to face a far weaker adversary...

Obi-Wan was sent to Utapau before anyone knew there would be an imminent need to choose backup against Sidious. When the time came he was unavailable.