Originally posted by carver9
Question, when it comes to speed, do you think Black Adam could take Odin out? He doesn't have any speed fts that matches Teth. Share your thoughts.
He can't take Odin out. He doesn't hit with anywhere near the force needed to harm Odin. So that kind of goes back to my whole "being super durable is one of the things that can negate a speed advantage". You know, the thing I said in the exact post you are quoting?
Originally posted by Surtur
He can't take Odin out. He doesn't hit with anywhere near the force needed to harm Odin. So that kind of goes back to my whole "being super durable is one of the things that can negate a speed advantage". You know, the thing I said in the exact post you are quoting?
But if Adam is as fast as you are making him out to be, he has all the time in the world to kill Odin. Shouldn't he be able to take Odin weapon from him and do whatever he please against Odin without Odin being able to flinch a muscle?
Originally posted by Surtur
I hope Gladiator isn't being mentioned as an example of any speed Blackbolt has.This is quite silly. Nobody said speed always is a determining factor. But it is highly beneficial to be way way faster then your opponent. The way you get around your opponent being hilariously faster is by being fast enough to tank their attacks.
That does not apply to Blackbolt here. We give credit where credit is due, not to placate people who can't accept super speed is a useful thing or get upset because their favorite character would lose if their opponent actually used their damn brain.
People are notorious in comics for failing to use their speed or using it poorly, etc. When people use it competently and it fails..it fails for a damn good reason, like esoteric powers that negate any speed advantage or just being super durable. BB has zero powers to negate BA's speed advantage, and likewise lacks the durability to sit there and tank his attacks. The only way he could is if you legitimately think Black Adam would only get off like..2-3 punches before Black bolt is able to react.
Um, yes they did.
Originally posted by Surtur
I hope Gladiator isn't being mentioned as an example of any speed Blackbolt has.This is quite silly. Nobody said speed always is a determining factor. But it is highly beneficial to be way way faster then your opponent. The way you get around your opponent being hilariously faster is by being fast enough to tank their attacks.
That does not apply to Blackbolt here. We give credit where credit is due, not to placate people who can't accept super speed is a useful thing or get upset because their favorite character would lose if their opponent actually used their damn brain.
People are notorious in comics for failing to use their speed or using it poorly, etc. When people use it competently and it fails..it fails for a damn good reason, like esoteric powers that negate any speed advantage or just being super durable. BB has zero powers to negate BA's speed advantage, and likewise lacks the durability to sit there and tank his attacks. The only way he could is if you legitimately think Black Adam would only get off like..2-3 punches before Black bolt is able to react.
I can somewhat agree with you but, BB does have esoteric powers that could combat the speed advantage that Adam certainly brings to this fight. I believe that it could go either way, because on one hand BA could fly in and attempt to pummel BB senseless with his speed, while on the other BB could let loose his abilities which would certainly hurt BA. war of Kings showcases BB's ability to take hits from a guy comparable to BA in many ways which includes speed. Someone else may bring up the point that not all speedy characters use all of their speed. So on that note, what stops BA from suffering from the same? What stops BB from going postal and releasing his full power? Like i said, this one could go either way. there won't be any outright crushing going on here.
Originally posted by carver9
But if Adam is as fast as you are making him out to be, he has all the time in the world to kill Odin. Shouldn't he be able to take Odin weapon from him and do whatever he please against Odin without Odin being able to flinch a muscle?
No, he lacks the power to do anything to Odin. Taking his weapon from him is irrelevant. Black Adam alone isn't enough, even with Odin's spear.
Originally posted by Stoic
I can somewhat agree with you but, BB does have esoteric powers that could combat the speed advantage that Adam certainly brings to this fight.
But what esoteric powers do you feel he has that negate a speed advantage?
war of Kings showcases BB's ability to take hits from a guy comparable to BA in many ways which includes speed. Someone else may bring up the point that not all speedy characters use all of their speed. So on that note, what stops BA from suffering from the same? What stops BB from going postal and releasing his full power? Like i said, this one could go either way. there won't be any outright crushing going on here.
If they are both going all out it means Adam is blitzing right off the bat. I don't know why he'd allow BB to speak.
Originally posted by Surtur
I hope Gladiator isn't being mentioned as an example of any speed Blackbolt has.This is quite silly. Nobody said speed always is a determining factor. But it is highly beneficial to be way way faster then your opponent. The way you get around your opponent being hilariously faster is by being fast enough to tank their attacks.
Yes, I agree that speed is an advantage.
That does not apply to Blackbolt here. We give credit where credit is due, not to placate people who can't accept super speed is a useful thing or get upset because their favorite character would lose if their opponent actually used their damn brain.
Well, if the stipulation is that Black Adam would lead w/ a speed blitz w/ a ruthless kill move, then Blackbolt should lose. However, though I agree he does blitz at times, it's not usually the death-blow attack, and especially not when it's aimed at a near-peer. In my opinion, a first encounter between these two wouldn't be an automatically dead Blackbolt. If they ever met again, then Blackbolt could be in deep trouble.
A Wally West Flash has both the ultimate ammunition (infinite momentum attack) and willingness to use some variation of it (Mongul and White Martian). If a character of Thanos/Darkseid class ever attacked the Earth, then the smartest thing for Wally to do would be to hit him with this attack (and the scale wouldn't even be unprecedented since Wally has a showing against CoIE Antimonitor). Does this mean every Flash thread should result with him being heavily favored? His ability is basically infinite. Also, there's no character that can even come close to Wally's reaction time to even defend (well, maybe that Gog feat in Kingdom).
People are notorious in comics for failing to use their speed or using it poorly, etc. When people use it competently and it fails..it fails for a damn good reason, like esoteric powers that negate any speed advantage or just being super durable. BB has zero powers to negate BA's speed advantage, and likewise lacks the durability to sit there and tank his attacks. The only way he could is if you legitimately think Black Adam would only get off like..2-3 punches before Black bolt is able to react.
I'd say that's about right. I'm leaning towards Adam here, but being a fan of both characters, I would like to see a discussion that isn't limited to Bolt using shout vs Adam using blitz. Even if I favored a particular character, I'd consider it cheap to just rely on that one-trick pony as an argument-ender. We'd end up discussing silly things like is it possible that Bolt could mater-manipulate Adam and if Adam's magic could prevent that (not having any basis to claim either). I'll agree with speed being a big advantage for Adam, but not so much that this is a non-fight spite thread. Just my opinion, but at least giving the other character a chance seems more productive and respectful.
Originally posted by Stoic
I can somewhat agree with you but, BB does have esoteric powers that could combat the speed advantage that Adam certainly brings to this fight. I believe that it could go either way, because on one hand BA could fly in and attempt to pummel BB senseless with his speed, while on the other BB could let loose his abilities which would certainly hurt BA. war of Kings showcases BB's ability to take hits from a guy comparable to BA in many ways which includes speed. Someone else may bring up the point that not all speedy characters use all of their speed. So on that note, what stops BA from suffering from the same? What stops BB from going postal and releasing his full power? Like i said, this one could go either way. there won't be any outright crushing going on here.
I so agree. And why would a fan of either character argue w/ a lead-off finishing-move. It's like you can't respect your own favorite to see if he/she could win in any other way. This will end up being a physics discussion between Adam's flight speed versus the speed of Bolt's scream (which may or may not clock in at the speed of sound or light).