Originally posted by Stoic
Even without the Black Vortex upgrade Gamora more than likely wins this. Who has Namora actually fought seriously? Gamora took on Angela, and I honestly don't believe that Namora would be able to hold her own against Angela the way that Gamora did.
Gamora lost to Angela by the way. Namora has held her own against Thor and Hulk and one-shotted Ms Marvel. Gamora couldn't do that.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I believe you are right unless Namora manages to get Gamora in water. Normal Gamor that is. Current Gamora would utterly wreck Namora.
In water would be an unfair advantage, but I wouldn't give her the win even if she had a hydrating suit on for the match. Gamora is too fast, too agile and too good a fighter. She is also very undersold even with her track record.
Originally posted by Mike82
Gamora lost to Angela by the way. Namora has held her own against Thor and Hulk and one-shotted Ms Marvel. Gamora couldn't do that.
The match was not over by the way. Namora did no such thing as one shot Carol. On the other hand Gamora one shot Rogue, and the She Hulk, clowning them both with superior fighting skill. Namora had a competitive match with Ms. Marvel.
Originally posted by Stoic
In water would be an unfair advantage, but I wouldn't give her the win even if she had a hydrating suit on for the match. Gamora is too fast, too agile and too good a fighter. She is also very undersold even with her track record.
I agree with that, but she suffers from the same disease Thor, Bolt and others are suffering from since Disney took over Marvel, the Weak Sauce Virus.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And struggled with that Kree assassain. Pathetic!
You mean the assassin that was augmented? The one that shot her in the back with a laser when she didn't expect it? There are low showings for all characters, and the more appearances a character has, the more chances they have of suffering from those same low showings from virtual unknowns. Allow Namora to have several hundred showings, and we will likely see Spider man, or someone that we never imagined giving her a rough time. it's just how comics are. Captain America floored the Hulk, a guy capable of taking a full on hit from Thor hitting him with Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Stoic
You mean the assassin that was augmented? The one that shot her in the back with a laser when she didn't expect it? There are low showings for all characters, and the more appearances a character has, the more chances they have of suffering from those same low showings from virtual unknowns. Allow Namora to have several hundred showings, and we will likely see Spider man, or someone that we never imagined giving her a rough time. it's just how comics are. Captain America floored the Hulk, a guy capable of taking a full on hit from Thor hitting him with Mjolnir.
I agree with all of that, but her very essence is different. Did you see how she conceded defeat? Would have NEVER happened in years past. But your point about Namora is legit. Remember Red Hulk's 15 minutes of fame?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I agree with all of that, but her very essence is different. Did you see how she conceded defeat? Would have NEVER happened in years past. But your point about Namora is legit. Remember Red Hulk's 15 minutes of fame?
Exactly, and then he came back to beat the Hulk into the dirt again. looks like Rulk was only allowed to use his powers against the Hulk, because if not, it would mean that Wonder Man would beat the brakes off of Doc Green. We both know that would never happen.
Originally posted by Stoic
The match was not over by the way. Namora did no such thing as one shot Carol. On the other hand Gamora one shot Rogue, and the She Hulk, clowning them both with superior fighting skill. Namora had a competitive match with Ms. Marvel.
Namora was dry for most of the fight, but even then she was strong enough to overwhelm and pin Ms Marvel to the ground. Carol soon got the upper hand with her energy blasts, but after Namora got wet, she punched Carol, and she went airborne. Carol had a bloody nose and was barely conscious. Gamora might beat Namora out of water, but there's no way she's beating her in the water.
Originally posted by Mike82
Namora was dry for most of the fight, but even then she was strong enough to overwhelm and pin Ms Marvel to the ground. Carol soon got the upper hand with her energy blasts, but after Namora got wet, she punched Carol, and she went airborne. Carol had a bloody nose and was barely conscious. Gamora might beat Namora out of water, but there's no way she's beating her in the water.
In the water as i said is an unfair advantage.
Originally posted by Genii96
Namora would beat pre upgrade gamora,unless she is dehydrated. Namora's strength pinned ms marvel to the ground when dry,once hydrated she 2 shotted ms marvel.
And Gamora one shot KO'd both Rogue, and She Hulk leaving the latter stunned on the ground. If Gamora wanted to kill either, or both, she would have been able to. meanwhile Carol gave Namora a fight, and it wasn't the overwhelming beating that some are alluding to. Should I remind you that strength isn't everything, and that Rogue at one point was just as strong as Carol? Well guess what? She Hulk is rated as being stronger than both. That didn't stop the one shots from being passed around though, not to mention that Gamora isn't exactly a weakling under many writers pens.
Originally posted by Mike82
Namora wasn't in the water. Sea water was just pouring on her.
Your previous comment made it sound like "if they were submerged in Water", not sprinkled with it. Again strength only goes so far, and Gamora isn't a weakling. Namora beat Carol after a prolonged exchange. What do you think is more impressive? Gamora one shotting Rogue, and She Hulk, or Namora eventually beating Ms. Marvel who happens to be as strong as classic Rogue was? You do know that Rogue was capable of punching people into orbit as well right? Also I read the fight between Namora and Ms Marvel. Don't know why you or anyone would think that the showing was more impressive than Gamora beating the two that I mentioned?
Originally posted by StoicThat wasn't a good fight. She hit rogue but didn't do much damage. She Hulk telegraphed by talking, causing both Gamora to hear her and move out of the way. This made she hulk hit rogue away. She hulk got distracted by saying sorry. Gamora cheapshotted her by kicking her (strongest attack) in the stomach (softest part).
Based on feats Gamora would kick Namora's butt. Namora fought it out with Ms. marvel, and won after a prolonged fight, while Gamora took on the She Hulk, and Rogue at the same time and beat them both.
Originally posted by StoicYour previous comment made it sound like "if they were submerged in Water", not sprinkled with it. Again strength only goes so far, and Gamora isn't a weakling. Namora beat Carol after a prolonged exchange. What do you think is more impressive? Gamora one shotting Rogue, and She Hulk, or Namora eventually beating Ms. Marvel who happens to be as strong as classic Rogue was? You do know that Rogue was capable of punching people into orbit as well right? Also I read the fight between Namora and Ms Marvel. Don't know why you or anyone would think that the showing was more impressive than Gamora beating the two that I mentioned?
Ms Marvel is actually stonger than Rogue. Rogue at her base level is rated at 50 tons. Ms Marvel is around 70 tons. Also, Rogue doesn't have any energy powers. Had Rogue fought Namora, Namora would have beaten her while she was still dry unless she tried to absorb her powers. Based off what I've seen, I'd say Gamora is a weakling compared to a soaking wet Namora.
Gamora's whole thing is fighting skill over brute force. TBH, I find the whole taking out opponents with pressure points to be a bit boring and silly for a comic book fight. Ms Marvel vs Namora was more about brute force, and yes Namora knocking a character as powerful and strong as Ms Marvel around like a rag doll after she got a little wet is more impressive than anything I've seen Gamora do. Ms Marvel is the same woman who singlehandedly defended NY city from an army of Super Skrulls and two-shotted Grey Hulk. Also, im not sure how strong She-Hulk was when she was allegedly one-shot by Gamora, but She-Hulk used to be weaker than 85 tons, as she wasn't able to lift Thing's maximum weight.
Originally posted by Mike82
Ms Marvel is actually stonger than Rogue. Rogue at her base level is rated at 50 tons. Ms Marvel is around 70 tons. Also, Rogue doesn't have any energy powers. Had Rogue fought Namora, Namora would have beaten her while she was still dry unless she tried to absorb her powers. Based off what I've seen, I'd say Gamora is a weakling compared to a soaking wet Namora.Gamora's whole thing is fighting skill over brute force. TBH, I find the whole taking out opponents with pressure points to be a bit boring and silly for a comic book fight. Ms Marvel vs Namora was more about brute force, and yes Namora knocking a character as powerful and strong as Ms Marvel around like a rag doll after she got a little wet is more impressive than anything I've seen Gamora do. Ms Marvel is the same woman who singlehandedly defended NY city from an army of Super Skrulls and two-shotted Grey Hulk. Also, im not sure how strong She-Hulk was when she was allegedly one-shot by Gamora, but She-Hulk used to be weaker than 85 tons, as she wasn't able to lift Thing's maximum weight.
You may find it boring but fighting expertise has existed in comics for longer than we have both been around most likely, at least it has in my case. Batman uses it, Captain America uses it, and many others. As for the Thing's max weight, Ben got a bump in power. In the future he is supposed to be much stronger than he is now, so it just goes to show that at one point She Hulk and Ben were near equals in strength.
Strength does not equal win, because you can have very strong characters that can't fight their way out of a paper bag. Namora isn't one of those characters, but she isn't an elite martial artist either, while Gamora is. She isn't a weakling by any stretch of the imagination. it was clear that she was below Angela's strength class, and I believe that Angela is roughly as strong as Namora if not stronger.
Angela just happens to be a better fighter than Namora, and is being fleshed out in that light as an elite martial artist. It doesn't matter how strong a character is, if they can't hit their target due to lack of skill they would likely be defeated, especially if that character is strong enough to hurt them. Gamora is strong enough to hurt Namora in this case, which is why I give her in her base form the majority here. Also an army of Skrull's without any feats shouldn't impress anyone, because they were written up as fodder material. Not to lesson the showing, but this type of thing is seen time and again.
let's see how well Namora does against a character like Angela, and then my opinion of her will rise significantly. Again she did not one shot Carol so let's not pretend that something like that happened when it didn't.it took her time to take Carol down.
Originally posted by h1a8
That wasn't a good fight. She hit rogue but didn't do much damage. She Hulk telegraphed by talking, causing both Gamora to hear her and move out of the way. This made she hulk hit rogue away. She hulk got distracted by saying sorry. Gamora cheapshotted her by kicking her (strongest attack) in the stomach (softest part).
Neither was one shot or koed.
Plus that's when she hulk was much weaker than today. That fight isn't very impressive to sway us on believing that she can beat Namora
Listen whatever happened just showed that they weren't as good as Gamora, don't speculate on things that weren't there. Ms. marvel was also talking, as was Namora when the struggled against each other. Don't exclude one and single out the other because you're just cherry picking to suit an argument that you never had. Gamora wins the majority based on feats and showings. Gamora defeated Ronan who went up against Ravenous before he was hit with the nerf bat. So again classic Gamora wins a majority, while her augmented present self crushes Namora with ease.
Originally posted by StoicABC logic doesn't usually work since characters have different power sets (Ronan is not as skilled as either ) and characters don't always fight at full capacity in a comic (they even job at times ).
You may find it boring but fighting expertise has existed in comics for longer than we have both been around most likely, at least it has in my case. Batman uses it, Captain America uses it, and many others. As for the Thing's max weight, Ben got a bump in power. In the future he is supposed to be much stronger than he is now, so it just goes to show that at one point She Hulk and Ben were near equals in strength.Strength does not equal win, because you can have very strong characters that can't fight their way out of a paper bag. Namora isn't one of those characters, but she isn't an elite martial artist either, while Gamora is. She isn't a weakling by any stretch of the imagination. it was clear that she was below Angela's strength class, and I believe that Angela is roughly as strong as Namora if not stronger.
Angela just happens to be a better fighter than Namora, and is being fleshed out in that light as an elite martial artist. It doesn't matter how strong a character is, if they can't hit their target due to lack of skill they would likely be defeated, especially if that character is strong enough to hurt them. Gamora is strong enough to hurt Namora in this case, which is why I give her in her base form the majority here. Also an army of Skrull's without any feats shouldn't impress anyone, because they were written up as fodder material. Not to lesson the showing, but this type of thing is seen time and again.
let's see how well Namora does against a character like Angela, and then my opinion of her will rise significantly. Again she did not one shot Carol so let's not pretend that something like that happened when it didn't.it took her time to take Carol down.
Listen whatever happened just showed that they weren't as good as Gamora, don't speculate on things that weren't there. Ms. marvel was also talking, as was Namora when the struggled against each other. Don't exclude one and single out the other because you're just cherry picking to suit an argument that you never had. Gamora wins the majority based on feats and showings. Gamora defeated Ronan who went up against Ravenous before he was hit with the nerf bat. So again classic Gamora wins a majority, while her augmented present self crushes Namora with ease.
Namora is physically her superior with a little less skill. It's a decent fight but Namora edges it out. Otherwise WW stomps BA since the skill gap is greater and the strength gap is smaller.