Sexual Misconduct

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The facility Josh Duggar attended for treatment after molesting young girls has been identified as Basic Life Principles Training Center.

The center offers faith-based healing and has come under fire by some who have attended their programs.

It was founded by Duggar family friend Bill Gothard in 1961 and has locations across the country, with Josh going to the Little Rock location.

Gothard stepped down in 2014 after over 30 young women and teenagers came forward and accused him of sexual harassment.

He was never charged for any of these offenses.

I don't see your point, I get it you are really offended he attacked your community, however what does any of this prove...That the parents were complicit in sending him to places they knew had this kind of conduct?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I wonder if he was being creepy with his sisters when the camera men were there.

"Josh we're filming, can you please stop rubbing your sisters legs and could you put a pillow over your lap or something?"

The Duggar girls learned to kiss from Jim-Bob and Josh.

Last year, Cosmopolitan ran an interview with four of the Duggar daughters during the women’s promotional tour for their book Growing Up Duggar. While the interview was intended to make the girls seem normal and relatable, it’s now eerily sinister:

Alyssa Bailey: So you’ve never kissed anyone?

Jessa: Nope—well, I mean my brother [referring to Josh]! I think all of us girls have really purposed to save our first kiss for our wedding day.

AB: Are you going to ask anyone for advice?

Jessa: I’m sure I’ll be getting advice from people who are good kissers!

AB: Like who?

Jessa: My parents are pretty good kissers! They very much like to show their kiss in public places, so they kiss in front of us all the time. [And I’d ask] my oldest brother. He’s been married for five years. And friends and people around me who I look up to. But I don’t think it’s too hard to figure out though.

So the whole family is breeding ground for incest..is that how your putting it?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes 14 year olds should be, however it on a case by case basis I believe.

When Jim Bob was running for Arkansas State Senate, his political platform—which is preserved via web cache on his campaign website—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes” punishable by death.

What is he waiting for?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't see your point, I get it you are really offended he attacked your community, however what does any of this prove...That the parents were complicit in sending him to places they knew had this kind of conduct?

This is far from the first sex abuse scandal in the tight-knit world of Christian fundamentalism. Doug Phillips of the far-right group Vision Forum was forced to step down after admitting to "a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman." The woman in question, Lourdes Torres-Manteufel, claims it was more than "inappropriate," noting that they met when she was 15 and that he "methodically groomed her" by moving her into the house as a nanny and becoming "the pastor of her church, her boss, her landlord, and the controller of all aspects of her life" before pushing for sex. The Duggars were tight with Phillips and Vision Forum, which promoted a lot of Duggar-related material.

Another fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year. Gothard was the leader of Institute in Basic Life Principles, an organization that promotes the "quiverfull" philosophy—particularly its emphasis on forsaking contraception and having as many children as possible. Gothard resigned after more than 30 women accused him of sexual harassment and abuse. Prior to this, Wire reports, the Duggars were "devotees of Gothard's Advanced Training Institute seminars. Until recently, the Duggars' official website called Gothard's Embassy Institute (which he also founded) their '#1 recommended resource' for families (that page now displays as blank)."

Vision Forum, the Institute in Basic Life Principles, and the Duggar family are arguably the three most influential groups promoting the "Christian patriarchy" movement, which promotes homeschooling, wifely submission, extreme pre-marital chastity (no hand-hugging or kissing), no contraception, and the idea that women's only real role in life is as wives and mothers. Having all your major leadership eaten up by sex abuse scandals is no small thing. It represents an endemic problem in their community.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
When Jim Bob was running for Arkansas State Senate, his political platform—which is preserved via web cache on his campaign website—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes” punishable by death.

What is he waiting for?

Oh yea, was he supposed to kill his son?

Ah, yes, if this was a aethiest liberal family, you would not even be posting here. Much like you don't post in any of the other things that go against your agenda.

You been busted for being bias.

I noticed you never said a word when all this came out about the Clintons

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/13/will-the-jeffrey-epstein-pedophile-case-snare-clinton/

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is far from the first sex abuse scandal in the tight-knit world of Christian fundamentalism. Doug Phillips of the far-right group Vision Forum was forced to step down after admitting to "a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman." The woman in question, Lourdes Torres-Manteufel, claims it was more than "inappropriate," noting that they met when she was 15 and that he "methodically groomed her" by moving her into the house as a nanny and becoming "the pastor of her church, her boss, her landlord, and the controller of all aspects of her life" before pushing for sex. The Duggars were tight with Phillips and Vision Forum, which promoted a lot of Duggar-related material.

Another fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year. Gothard was the leader of Institute in Basic Life Principles, an organization that promotes the "quiverfull" philosophy—particularly its emphasis on forsaking contraception and having as many children as possible. Gothard resigned after more than 30 women accused him of sexual harassment and abuse. Prior to this, Wire reports, the Duggars were "devotees of Gothard's Advanced Training Institute seminars. Until recently, the Duggars' official website called Gothard's Embassy Institute (which he also founded) their '#1 recommended resource' for families (that page now displays as blank)."

Vision Forum, the Institute in Basic Life Principles, and the Duggar family are arguably the three most influential groups promoting the "Christian patriarchy" movement, which promotes homeschooling, wifely submission, extreme pre-marital chastity (no hand-hugging or kissing), no contraception, and the idea that women's only real role in life is as wives and mothers. [b]Having all your major leadership eaten up by sex abuse scandals is no small thing. It represents an endemic problem in their community. [/B]

Sounds exactly like Islamic beliefs, I don't see you complaining..

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The Duggar girls learned to kiss from Jim-Bob and Josh.

Last year, Cosmopolitan ran an interview with four of the Duggar daughters during the women’s promotional tour for their book Growing Up Duggar. While the interview was intended to make the girls seem normal and relatable, it’s now eerily sinister:

[b]Alyssa Bailey: So you’ve never kissed anyone?

Jessa: Nope—well, I mean my brother [referring to Josh]! I think all of us girls have really purposed to save our first kiss for our wedding day.

AB: Are you going to ask anyone for advice?

Jessa: I’m sure I’ll be getting advice from people who are good kissers!

AB: Like who?

Jessa: My parents are pretty good kissers! They very much like to show their kiss in public places, so they kiss in front of us all the time. [And I’d ask] my oldest brother. He’s been married for five years. And friends and people around me who I look up to. But I don’t think it’s too hard to figure out though. [/B]

What a terrible brother

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh yea, was he supposed to kill his son?

If he truly believed that rape and incest are heinous crimes, then he should have turned his son over to the civil authorities and insisted on whatever punishment they deemed fit for his crimes in order to receive justice for his daughters.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ah, yes, if this was a aethiest liberal family, you would not even be posting here. Much like you don't post in any of the other things that go against your agenda.

You been busted for being bias.

Then you have not been paying attention, because I responded similarly to Lena Dunham's confession that she molested her sister. Conservative or liberal, it does not matter. Unlike you, I do not have an agenda, I have convictions.

Case in point:

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I noticed you never said a word when all this came out about the Clintons

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/13/will-the-jeffrey-epstein-pedophile-case-snare-clinton/

Allegedly visiting an island that is owned by someone who may be implicated in sex trafficking no more makes one involved in sex trafficking than one visiting a church makes him a Christian.

But logic does not matter when you are desperate to smear your political opposition.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sounds exactly like Islamic beliefs, I don't see you complaining..

I do not see a widespread movement of Muslims trying to codify their religious beliefs into civil law in the United States. When that happens, I will criticize them right along with Christians and Mormons.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
😂

What a terrible brother

Watch THIS, it is cringe-worthy.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If he truly believed that rape and incest are heinous crimes, then he should have turned his son over to the civil authorities and insisted on whatever punishment they deemed fit for his crimes in order to receive justice for his daughters.

Then you have not been paying attention, because I responded similarly to Lena Dunham's confession that she molested her sister. Conservative or liberal, it does not matter. Unlike you, I do not have an agenda, I have convictions.

Case in point:

Allegedly visiting an island that is owned by someone who may be implicated in sex trafficking no more makes one involved in sex trafficking than one visiting a church makes him a Christian.

But logic does not matter when you are desperate to smear your political opposition.

First of all it was not allegedly. He was there with the sick offense Jeffrey. Secondly you act like this is un characteristic behavior of Bill and you simply can't believe it. Did you forget about Monica and the others?

Do tell what my agenda is, I am unclear of it.

As far as the Duggar's most of what you said has been spun and is speculation. There was some things done wrong, but you making the family out to be committing incest and rampat with sexual perversion.

You bring up this "Another fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year."

Bill Gothard associated with the Duggar's at one time, does that make the Duggar's bad? Yet you ignore Bill's friendship with Jeffery and say "its alleged." And want to ignore those connections.

I caught you plain and simple.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sounds exactly like Islamic beliefs, I don't see you complaining..

You must be an expert on muslim communities in the West mmm

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Watch THIS, it is cringe-worthy.

Weird, but ok? Some might find being gay weird and cringe worthy..

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Watch THIS, it is cringe-worthy.

Hot daughters though

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Weird ass family. Didn't they push that whole super purity no contact at all shit too? Knowing full well the son was slipping fingers in his sisters?

Hot daughters though

😆 😆

You make every topic here better.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Secondly you act like this is un characteristic behavior of Bill and you simply can't believe it.

I do? By all means, show me where I say anything of the sort.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Did you forget about Monica and the others?

What about Monica? Was she underage? Did she not consent? Was she trafficked? Where is the crime we are supposed to be outraged about here?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Do tell what my agenda is, I am unclear of it.

You have created three anti-Clinton threads in the last seven days alone. It is fairly obvious to everyone here what your agenda is.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
As far as the Duggar's most of what you said has been spun and is speculation. There was some things done wrong, but you making the family out to be committing incest and rampat with sexual perversion.

You bring up this "Another fundamentalist leader who had a mentorship relationship with the Duggars, Bill Gothard, was also caught up in a sex abuse scandal last year."

Bill Gothard associated with the Duggar's at one time, does that make the Duggar's bad? Yet you ignore Bill's friendship with Jeffery and say "its alleged." And want to ignore those connections.

I caught you plain and simple.

Five children were victims of ongoing incestuous sexual molestation over three years. I would call that rampant incest and sexual perversion. I am sorry you think that is just "some things that were done wrong."

The Duggars did not just associate with Bill Gothard. They were his devotees and attended his Advanced Training Institute seminars. They promoted his Embassy Institute on their website as the number one resource for families. His Institute in Basic Life Principles is where they sent Josh to get counseling. He is the leader of the Quiverfull movement, which is what their entire family philosophy is built upon.

The Duggars are bad on their own. That the other leaders of the Christian patriarchy movement with which they are associated are also involved in sexual misconduct suggests that there is an endemic problem with their philosophy.

If you are so eager to catch something, try a clue.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I do? By all means, show me where I say anything of the sort.

What about Monica? Was she underage? Did she not consent? Was she trafficked? Where is the crime we are supposed to be outraged about here?

You have created three anti-Clinton threads in the last seven days alone. It is fairly obvious to everyone here what your agenda is.

Five children were victims of ongoing incestuous sexual molestation over three years. I would call that rampant incest and sexual perversion. I am sorry you think that is just "some things that were done wrong."

The Duggars did not just associate with Bill Gothard. They were his devotees and attended his Advanced Training Institute seminars. They promoted his Embassy Institute on their website as the number one resource for families. His Institute in Basic Life Principles is where they sent Josh to get counseling. He is the leader of the Quiverfull movement, which is what their entire family philosophy is built upon.

The Duggars are bad on their own. That the other leaders of the Christian patriarchy movement with which they are associated are also involved in sexual misconduct suggests that there is an endemic problem with their philosophy.

If you are so eager to catch something, try a clue.

Wow you are really obssesed with this family, did you watch them for years and have your heart broken, I mean how the fck do you know all this stuff?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Wow you are really obssesed with this family, did you watch them for years and have your heart broken, I mean how the fck do you know all this stuff?

I like to be informed.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am sure they did know.

For example, Evangelical Christians do not accept the concept of sexual orientation. So one is not a homosexual, he is just someone who struggles with same-sex attraction. Same-sex sexual activity is simply sexual immorality. If one is not actively engaging in said activity, he is not a homosexual.

This is an objective and top-notch summary of Evangelical Christians. 👆 I'm surprised to read a level-headed summary, from an atheistic homosexual, on the internet.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Any other adult who had been given that information would have had a legal and moral responsibility to report it. Why should the parents be held to a lesser standard than a total stranger?

The parents should have gotten their son and daughters counseling (if necessary). But, no, not report it. He was a minor. For minors, you don't report a pathology (that was acted on) to the police: you take the kid to (a) mental health professional(s). After consulting with a mental health professional, that person can recommend you involve DHS if things are too serious and the parents do not have full control of the situation (such as DHS assisting with temporary placement and shifting around the young man to proper counselors).

DHS will most certainly not report a situation like that to the police. DHS, also, will make the call to involve police if the parents did something criminal in the situation (notice it is DHS that should determine whether or not to call the police?) The "perpetrator" is a minor. The police action that might happen would be the parents getting reported IF the parents show a history of sweeping the abuse under the rug and DHS finds out.

Source: Just asked my workout buddy, who is a Supervisor at DHS, how situations like these are supposed to be handled. 👆 On topic, he thinks the situation was handled poorly by the parents but not poorly enough for them to get into trouble.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moreover, the parents did not address the abuse whatsoever. They sent Josh to live with a family friend for a few months to help him renovate a building for his business. When he returned, they made him apologize to his sisters, and made his sisters forgive him. Then they made his sisters live in the same household with him and broadcast the entire awkward living situation on national television.

I see 2 problems:

1. He wasn't sent to counseling.
2. The sisters were "forced" to forgive.

I see a very good reaction of the parents:
They removed the boy from the home and sent him somewhere else for a bit. That's generally an excellent way to react.

However, the "receiving" guardian needed to be informed, the young man go to counseling, and for the young man to have dutiful watchful eyes on him (meaning, don't let him be alone with children).

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They obstructed justice from beginning to end.

That's a strong accusation that is not really supported but what took place. Unless you're using "obstruction of justice" in a general sense and not an overt legal sense? If in a general sense, yeah, their obstinance and stubbornness obstructed a proper handling of the situation. But the idea of meting justice on a minor due to his parents being idiots is not really that cool. You shouldn't exact justice on minors like this. You get them help and rehabilitate them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The facility Josh Duggar attended for treatment after molesting young girls has been identified as Basic Life Principles Training Center.

The center offers faith-based healing and has come under fire by some who have attended their programs.

It was founded by Duggar family friend Bill Gothard in 1961 and has locations across the country, with Josh going to the Little Rock location.

Gothard stepped down in 2014 after over 30 young women and teenagers came forward and accused him of sexual harassment.

He was never charged for any of these offenses.

The situation keeps getting more and more f*cked up the more details that come forward. 😕