ROTJ Vader/ROTJ Luke Skywalker vs. Exar Kun/Ulic Qel-Droma (sabers only)

Father and Son vs. the Ancient Sith

Battle takes place on neutral ground

Luke is killed with a saber.

I'd say vader is the best swordsman of these four. Kun definitely has the better weapon. Of Luke can hold off Ulic than vaders team wins because vader can definitely defeat Kun in a pure saber battle.

Nice thread.

At this point in time Luke's best feat is matching/beating Vader.

Likewise, Ulic's best feat is matching Exar.

It boils down to who you think is a better swordsman, Vader or Exar.

I'd say vader. He has more styles at his command, however Kun has the better weapon. Vader is probably more experienced as he spent 15+ years fighting Jedi. Vader is much stronger but Kun is faster. However vader can match the speeds of a faster duelist.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I'd say vader. He has more styles at his command, however Kun has the better weapon. Vader is probably more experienced as he spent 15+ years fighting Jedi. Vader is much stronger but Kun is faster. However vader can match the speeds of a faster duelist.

How do you figure? I thought Niman requires mastery of all forms except Vaapad/Juyo and Makashi.

Also I think Exar has the edge duelist wise.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
How do you figure? I thought Niman requires mastery of all forms except Vaapad/Juyo and Makashi.

Also I think Exar has the edge duelist wise.

Not sure, but I think you're confusing it with Juyo, which requires high level mastery of multiple forms. Niman is just a balanced form with no particular weakness or strenght.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
How do you figure? I thought Niman requires mastery of all forms except Vaapad/Juyo and Makashi.

Also I think Exar has the edge duelist wise.

Nyman is a form by itself. It's a jack of all trades. It incorporates elements from each style however not required mastery of it. Practioners of this style have encompassed different ELEMNETS OF THE PRECEDDING styles but they haven't mastered any. Vader has mastered every form including niman while Kun has only mastered niman. So he is more versatile. He also most likely has more experience fighting lightsaber duelist. He's also stronger and can counter Kuns speed. Vader has more endurance so if it's that type of duel vader will win.

So I say vader wins as I believe he is the superior duelist in every aspect except for weaponry.

Exar doesn't use Niman like a Jedi 😬

Originally posted by carthage
Exar doesn't use Niman like a Jedi 😬

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Team 2, great fight.

Team 2.

I always interpreted Exar's "Niman" to be the Jar'Kai sort of Niman, not the diplomatic/balanced Form VI, which he really doesn't fight anything like.

It's a good fight because Ulic is comparable to Luke as a swordsman and Exar was his match, but Vader and Luke ultimately win.

Vader is the best fighter on the field and should ultimately prevail as long as Luke can prevent him from getting doubleteamed.

Exar Kun is completely different to anyone Vader has faced, Vader however has a traditional Form V core stance, something Kun has plenty of experience with.
Luke by extension knows even less, skill is important but so is knowledge and technical mastery, Luke is simply out of his depth.

Ancient Sith take this.

Luke's amazing potential should bridge any gap of skill, and his own speed feats/defeat of Vader should put him well within the skill tier of Ulic/Exar.

Vader vs. Kun can go either way.

Actually nevermind, Team OT.

People, vader is obviously the greater of the two in sabers and Luke was able to overwhelm vader who IMO was holding back against Luke in their duel. However he was able to disarm him and overwhelm him. With that Kun can hold his own however he can't defeat vader in a pure saber off.

Originally posted by carthage
Luke's amazing potential should bridge any gap of skill, and his own speed feats/defeat of Vader should put him well within the skill tier of Ulic/Exar.

Vader vs. Kun can go either way.

Oh my, this is funny.

Exar Kun can certainly defeat him:

Speed: Roughly equal.
Strength: Roughly equal.
Stamina: Exar Kun.
Durability: Darth Vader.
Lightsaber skill: Roughly equal.
Technical mastery: Darth Vader.
Battle Precognition: Exar Kun.
Weapon: Exar Kun.
Form advantage: Exar Kun.
Battle Record: Exar Kun.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun can certainly defeat him:

Speed: Roughly equal.
Strength: Roughly equal.
Stamina: Exar Kun.
Durability: Darth Vader.
Lightsaber skill: Roughly equal.
Technical mastery: Darth Vader.
Battle Precognition: Exar Kun.
Weapon: Exar Kun.
Form advantage: Exar Kun.
Battle Record: Exar Kun.

Yes to the first.
Vader IMO is stronger.
Vader has the greater stamina IMO as his suit does help his oxygen intake and stamina levels.
Yes to fourth
I'd give vader the edge in lightsaber skill as he's more experienced and overall more complete
Yes to the 7th
Yes to the 8th
Vader has more styles at his command and actaually a greater hold over them with Kun having an edge in niman
Vader a battle record isn't bad either.