Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kun is not above Talzin, I don't think that HoT is above Wyyrlok, and Caedus and Vitiate is a toss up.
Her sorcery would be moot against one of the single greatest sorcerers ever.
He is a far better duelist than she is.
His Force defense is unbeaten against even the strongest Force techniques.
He is far stronger, faster and more durable.
She isn't stopping a Force Blast.
If she decides to go spirit mode well we saw what happened to Freedon Nadd.
HoT has killed a bunch of Sith Lords and Darths with comfort and killed the Voice of the Emperor himself, whom despite being weakened is well above Wyyrlok III.
Vitiate has far more strength in the Force, Caedus is far more capable as s duelist. In this kind of Force mega powers contest the Force is more prevalent.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes. Your fanboyism for vitiate isn't going to work on me and any quote from any person in TOR era doesn't count as they have no knowledge of sidious or Caedus or anyone after vitiate.
Vitiate is shown to be more powerful then any Sith by virtue of his feats and accomplishments. It is logical to focus on these factors when evaluating characters. It doesn't matters if Darths Sidious and Caedus existed in TOR era or not, Vitiate have relatively superior showings and official hype then both. In addition, Vitiate is officially superior to super-strong Force-users such as Revan, Exar Kun, Darth Nihilus and Soa - The Infernal One.
Also, we all are fans. So singling me out in this respect is ironic.
Originally posted by Sinious
Why? He never used it in combat and more importantly, this is Vitate in his physical form.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate used Force Drain powers in offensive manner on Yavin IV and Ziost. Also, physical body does not deters an individual to use Force Drain powers in combat situations or in offensive manner.
I never said he didn't use it in offensive manner, I said he didn't use it in combat.
Vitiate's inferiors have demonstrated the capability to use Force Drain powers in combat situations so why can't he?
Cause that's not how it works?
Originally posted by Sinious
I never said he didn't use it in offensive manner, I said he didn't use it in combat.
It takes a mere thought or gesture to perform Force Drain powers.
Originally posted by Sinious
Cause that's not how it works?
"In minutes, the great Darth Vowrawn will disintegrate."
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Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies.
Taken from SWTOR (Holonet)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDCalm down.
Darth Sidious (Canon) is stronger then Vitiate? FANON nonsense.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd yet you dismiss those who disagree with your opinion as fanboys spouting fan fiction. 🙄
It is your opinion, not an official canon declaration....
Also, we all are fans. So singling me out in this respect is ironic.
Ironic indeed. I await an official canon declaration to support the above.
Originally posted by AncientPowerNeither appear to favour sorcery based offenses in combat, so it's a moot point.
Her sorcery would be moot against one of the single greatest sorcerers ever.
He is a far better duelist than she is.That doesn't guarantee him a win however. Mace Windu is a far better duelist than Talzin, but was driven back by the ferocity of her attack.
His Force defense is unbeaten against even the strongest Force techniques.Exar Kun's ability to shrug off Odan-Urr's sever force attack (which lets face it was never going to work) does not make him immune to Talzin's far more potent offensive powers.
Really Exar Kun's defense powers are largely untested, not unbeaten.
He is far stronger, faster and more durable.You appear to be forgetting that Talzin is "a powerhouse that could go toe-to-toe with Darth Sidious", he is not going to be far stronger, faster or more durable by any means.
She isn't stopping a Force Blast.She stopped the combined lightning of Sidious and Dooku, she is stopping a Force Blast.
Vitiate has far more strength in the Force, Caedus is far more capable as s duelist. In this kind of Force mega powers contest the Force is more prevalent.Not really, in regards to the Force they are comparable in many respects. Caedus on the other hand is indeed far more superior duelist, and in a the duel that Caedus will push for, that superior martial expertise will net him a win.
[QUOTE=15248296]Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]It is your opinion, not an official canon declaration.
Vitiate is shown to be more powerful then any Sith by virtue of his feats and accomplishments. It is logical to focus on these factors when evaluating characters. It doesn't matters if Darths Sidious and Caedus existed in TOR era or not, Vitiate have relatively superior showings and official hype then both. In addition, Vitiate is officially superior to super-strong Force-users such as Revan, Exar Kun, Darth Nihilus and Soa - The Infernal One.
Also, we all are fans. So singling me out in this respect is ironic.
My opinion that quotes from people who didn't know about Sidious or Caedus don't count? No it's fact?That's like saying George Washington saying that the British of that time have the best army that world has ever know or will ever know. That can't be taken into complete fact as look where America is now, we would destroy that army back then. You see time progresses and things happens so people of that time, quotes don't really hold as much weight as they don't know about Luke Skywlaker, Darth Caedus, Darth Sidious, Plagues, or any force weilder of those calibers after vitiate. Now showings, video games, don't count, novelizations do though. Just saying that so you will know. Also Sidious definitely would have all of his knowledge as the rule of two principles took from every era of SITH and Jedi, that would include vitiate, and yes I know about the SITH who basically destroyed all of the old SITH teachings that would include essence transfer, yet we see he has that ability and also knows SITH alchemy and its stated he had a knowledge of all known SITH abilities. Vitiates rituals are accomplishments but don't due to him credit as they require him assistance which he wouldn't get. Also when vitiate needed 8000 SITH lords to drain a planet, Sidious was able to do it by himself in his first known try. Sidious has cannon that states he is the most powerful SITH and has feats.
Originally posted by AncientPower
DE Sidious =/> Vitiate > ROTS Sidious > Caedus.That would be my ranking roughly.
DE Sidious > RotJ Sidious > RotS Sidious > Vitiate.
Even RotS Sidious can take Vitiate in prime physical form as specified in this thread.
Sidious is faster, stronger, much more skilled, vastly superior with a blade, has comparable Force power that will be enough to match Viti, Viti's TP won't work on Sidious either. TBH a proper fight goes strongly in Sidious's favor.
RotJ Sidious with more knowledge and power accomulated over his former self and especially DE Sidious are even more ahead of Vitiate.
Originally posted by Sinious
Then why didn't Vitiate ever use drain in combat? I'm not saying he is incapable of it but it doesn't seem to be his most powerful attack.
Versus scenarios aren't PIS or story-driven, they are neutral and all options are considered. Its not like that I am strictly assuming that Vitiate is a master of Force Drain powers and can consider them for offensive purposes, my argument is based on documented evidence. Situations are irrelevant. Vitiate utilizes Force Drain powers to fuel his own power and he have demonstratively consumed/killed many with such powers.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Calm down.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And yet you dismiss those who disagree with your opinion as fanboys spouting fan fiction. 🙄Ironic indeed. I await an official canon declaration to support the above.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not really, in regards to the Force they are comparable in many respects. Caedus on the other hand is indeed far more superior duelist, and in a the duel that Caedus will push for, that superior martial expertise will net him a win.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
My opinion that quotes from people who didn't know about Sidious or Caedus don't count? No it's fact?That's like saying George Washington saying that the British of that time have the best army that world has ever know or will ever know. That can't be taken into complete fact as look where America is now, we would destroy that army back then.
Nothing.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You see time progresses and things happens so people of that time, quotes don't really hold as much weight as they don't know about Luke Skywlaker, Darth Caedus, Darth Sidious, Plagues, or any force weilder of those calibers after vitiate.
How Vitiate - once his story is complete - would be perceived in sources other then those of TOR era, we will never know; continuity split have squandered any chances for this assessment.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Now showings, video games, don't count, novelizations do though. Just saying that so you will know.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Also Sidious definitely would have all of his knowledge as the rule of two principles took from every era of SITH and Jedi, that would include vitiate, and yes I know about the SITH who basically destroyed all of the old SITH teachings that would include essence transfer, yet we see he has that ability and also knows SITH alchemy and its stated he had a knowledge of all known SITH abilities.
Considering Legends continuity even, Sidious had ample knowledge of Darth Malgus's exploits and powers but not much about Vitiate.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vitiates rituals are accomplishments but don't due to him credit as they require him assistance which he wouldn't get.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Also when vitiate needed 8000 SITH lords to drain a planet, Sidious was able to do it by himself in his first known try. Sidious has cannon that states he is the most powerful SITH and has feats.
For consultation:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-at-planet-ziost/105050/
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/emperor-vitiate-respect-thread/97466/
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Exar Kun's ability to shrug off Odan-Urr's sever force attack (which lets face it was never going to work) does not make him immune to Talzin's far more potent offensive powers.Really Exar Kun's defense powers are largely untested, not unbeaten.
He also walked through bombing runs.