Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit Luke bested him despite not honing his powers and dismiss SW who faced much more powerful experienced opponents. GTFO. Vader dies.
I admit Luke beat him due to special circumstances. Also Vader wasn't trying in that battle. At least not to his full power. Vader can just force choke her or push her way. Also he has his suit which is durable while she doesn't.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Luke didn't want t to fight him either but when he got pissed he crushed him and didn't kill him. He was weak. What opponent comparable to SW did Vader force choke ?
I admit Luke beat him due to special circumstances. Also Vader wasn't trying in that battle. At least not to his full power. Vader can just force choke her or push her way. Also he has his suit which is durable while she doesn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke didn't want t to fight him either but when he got pissed he crushed him and didn't kill him. He was weak. What opponent comparable to SW did Vader force choke ?
Thank you for admitting this. Luke couldn't beat vade r until he got pissed. Neither one wanted to fight the other in ROTJ. Neither one was going all out until Luke went all Super Saiyan. Even then Vader could have won he just for some reason didn't use his mind. All he had to do was force choke him and that was it. You confuse remorse for weakness. He was strong to reject the dark side. If you mean Vader, trust me he isn't weak. He would beat your butt to a pulp without the force or his lightsaber. Until you come to me with an opponent who can put up a force sheild don't say anything.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2I don't think Luke couldn't beat Vader I think he didn't until he was pissed because he was hiding and avoiding the fight altogether. 🙂
Thank you for admitting this. Luke couldn't beat vade r until he got pissed. Neither one wanted to fight the other in ROTJ. Neither one was going all out until Luke went all Super Saiyan. Even then Vader could have won he just for some reason didn't use his mind. All he had to do was force choke him and that was it. You confuse remorse for weakness. He was strong to reject the dark side. If you mean Vader, trust me he isn't weak. He would beat your butt to a pulp without the force or his lightsaber.
Vader went all out and lost. Saying Vader can easily force choke someone as powerful with the force as Luke is speculation. Hell, even ventress in the clone wars had both Obi and Anakin at her mercy with force choke despite being inferior to both Jedi. Vader was emotionally weak. He let his fear run him. This was made evident by Yoda and the other mistrusting Jedi from the rip with the little troubled kid. Anakin was about as unstable and fearful as you could get in rots. The poor thing couldn't get over his mommy's death either.
He's weak. Vader is dead. Rest in peace, weakling Vader.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think Luke couldn't beat Vader I think he didn't until he was pissed because he was hiding and avoiding the fight altogether. 🙂Vader went all out and lost. Saying Vader can easily force choke someone as powerful with the force as Luke is speculation. Hell, even ventress in the clone wars had both Obi and Anakin at her mercy with force choke despite being inferior to both Jedi. Vader was emotionally weak. He let his fear run him. This was made evident by Yoda and the other mistrusting Jedi from the rip with the little troubled kid. Anakin was about as unstable and fearful as you could get in rots. The poor thing couldn't get over his mommy's death either.
He's weak. Vader is dead. Rest in peace, weakling Vader.
Exactly once he got pissed. Take out him getting poised you have both really not doing much. If these two get into an all out fight, with no Sidious to interfere or anything else. Vader is going to win.
Actually he wasn't going all out. Neither was until Luke went all crazy. Um no it's actually not. By this time Luke has a great Raw Power, however that doesn't mean he can block force choke. For instance, Anakin was better trained than Luke and had a greater raw power and someone like Barris Offe was able to force push him, someone like Asajj Ventress, someone greatly less than him was also able to force push him. If he can't block those with his force sheild than he no doubt can't block being forced choked. Luke is in a worse spot due to him being very inexperienced and not having a full arsenal at his disposal. He has power but not as much as Vader. So you agree Luke can get choked by Vader. Ventress like you said someone weaker than Vader, Aankin , and Obi won had the two Jedi at her mercy and she was weaker. Point is? You are a weird human being. No sympathy or anything for anyone's hardships or anything. He lost his mother and his wife for Christ sakes. He's lost a lot dude.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Vader was the one who antagonized him. He got his ass beat. You can speculate all you want as the canon fight has Luke winning, handily.
Exactly once he got pissed. Take out him getting poised you have both really not doing much. If these two get into an all out fight, with no Sidious to interfere or anything else. Vader is going to win.Actually he wasn't going all out. Neither was until Luke went all crazy. Um no it's actually not. By this time Luke has a great Raw Power, however that doesn't mean he can block force choke. For instance, Anakin was better trained than Luke and had a greater raw power and someone like Barris Offe was able to force push him, someone like Asajj Ventress, someone greatly less than him was also able to force push him. If he can't block those with his force sheild than he no doubt can't block being forced choked. Luke is in a worse spot due to him being very inexperienced and not having a full arsenal at his disposal. He has power but not as much as Vader. So you agree Luke can get choked by Vader. Ventress like you said someone weaker than Vader, Aankin , and Obi won had the two Jedi at her mercy and she was weaker. Point is? You are a weird human being. No sympathy or anything for anyone's hardships or anything. He lost his mother and his wife for Christ sakes. He's lost a lot dude.
Show me someone besting Luke with force choke. Hell, like I said even ventress was about to best both Obi and Anakin with force choke so they couldn't block it either. Irony ftw.
Yeah, he's a pansy about it. Not a Jedi and someone lost to his darkness that his son needed to pull him out of. He spend his adult life being palaptine's bottom *****.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader was the one who antagonized him. He got his ass beat. You can speculate all you want as the canon fight has Luke winning, handily.Show me someone besting Luke with force choke. Hell, like I said even ventress was about to best both Obi and Anakin with force choke so they couldn't block it either. Irony ftw.
Yeah, he's a pansy about it. Not a Jedi and someone lost to his darkness that his son needed to pull him out of. He spend his adult life being palaptine's bottom *****.
So? What if Vader hadn't antagonized him then who would have won. People like you hide behind well Luke won so that means he's better when it doesn't. Vader wasn't even going at full strength in that battle. It took Luke getting pissed off to take him down. Also this shows that Vader is capable of probing his mind in a future battle and doing much more efficient and better damage to him.
So you prove my point. Ventress was able to choke Obi and Anakin people,both by this time more powerful than Luke. So with that Vader being more powerful than both Obi and Ventrees and Luke and possibly Anakin would have no trouble choking Luke.
This is you hating Anakin.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Speculation. I only deal with facts not theories, dude. Prove he was not going all out. Vader pissed Jim off so according to you Vader not only lost but he provided the motivation to do so. 😂
So? What if Vader hadn't antagonized him then who would have won. People like you hide behind well Luke won so that means he's better when it doesn't. Vader wasn't even going at full strength in that battle. It took Luke getting pissed off to take him down. Also this shows that Vader is capable of probing his mind in a future battle and doing much more efficient and better damage to him.So you prove my point. Ventress was able to choke Obi and Anakin people,both by this time more powerful than Luke. So with that Vader being more powerful than both Obi and Ventrees and Luke and possibly Anakin would have no trouble choking Luke.
This is you hating Anakin.
No, they were not. Ventress choked Anakin and his pal easily not Luke. Speculate all you want while I dish out the facts.
Nah, I don't hate Anakin. He's weak though. Accept it.