Jodi Arias Juror name leaked

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's actually not really a derailing, it seems to have become the topic.

Personally I think the SJW moniker is generally used to attack people who make valid points that go against societal norms.

I don't disagree that there are some extremists in this group, but it's really just a deflection tactic.

Reading your interaction with TI in the Dugger thread, it's very likely you'd be accused of being a SJW there.

I view it the same as the campaign against feminism, trying to use propaganda to make it seem like a large group striving for positive change is just crazy extremists. Like Rush Limbaugh coining the term "feminazi".

Most people accused of being SJW are good people, that told someone to maybe not be so homophobic in the future.

"SJW" is a label for extremists. Most people who are described as SJWs are not being mischaracterized. Evidence: see Tumblr; see Twitter.

Common tactics of SJWs include improperly appealing to the character, motives, or circumstances of one in an attempt to discredit his argument, especially in place of support for her own argument; attempting to censor language, control dialogue, and silence dissenting opinions; and taking ideologically extreme positions.

Nothing in my interaction with Time Immemorial or in his with me really fits that model.

Vox has a good article about this culture on college campuses.

Originally posted by Robtard
Guys, let us focus on what really matters. Is she hotter than Casey Anthony?

I say nay.

For the record, can we stop pretending that just because Casey Anthony is thin that she is hot? She is a 6 at best.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
"SJW" is a label for extremists. Most people who are described as SJWs are not being mischaracterized. Evidence: see Tumblr; see Twitter.

Common tactics of SJWs include improperly appealing to the character, motives, or circumstances of one in an attempt to discredit his argument, especially in place of support for her own argument; attempting to censor language, control dialogue, and silence dissenting opinions; and taking ideologically extreme positions.

Nothing in my interaction with Time Immemorial or in his with me really fits that model.

Vox has a good article about this culture on college campuses.

No, I understand that your interaction doesn't fit the model you'd like SJW to mean. But in practice it's really just used by racists, sexist or homophobic people to attack people that point out to them that what they are doing is bad.

TI made a thread about this article, if you'd like to discuss (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f11/t613291.html). I think it has a lot of issues, it does make an interesting point about certain extremist tendencies within liberal culture, but I think it far overblown the issue. And again, it gets misused by the more common extremists on the conservative side to silence their opposition.

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This is what actually happens. The woman who was quoted in the Vox piece, and paraded as a SJW for saying that scienctific endeavor has had a white, male bias has been sent death threats by the people against SJWs.

Update: After a discussion with a woman whose tweet was quoted in the story, the editors of this piece agreed that some of the conclusions drawn in the article misrepresented her tweet and the article was revised. The woman requested anonymity because she said she was receiving death threats as a result of the story, so her name has been removed. Unfortunately, threats are a horrible reality for many women online and a topic we intend to report on further.

It's the same as always.

SJW: Hey, can we talk about how racism is rampant in society.
Anti-SJW: STFU, you are just a SJW, I will rape and kill you, I know where you live!

Over and over and over again...the same pattern

Eh, I honestly think it depends on where you look. Somewhere like say, Tumblr for example, the SJW moniker is exactly what the negative aspects of the word mean.

Whereas in other places, it wouldn't be as prominent. I think you can make a case for the "bad SJWs" being more than just a loud minority, tbh, though again, the where is important too.

Or are we renaming things like common sense and believing in equality to be the same as wanting social justice?

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As far as the juror stuff... Man that sucks. Arias is a horrible human being by all accounts, but leaking stuff like that is just bad form.

That's not really renaming, social justice is a common sense thing, it is about believing in equality. The renaming has been done in service of silencing those that want equality.

The thing is, even the worst examples of SJW are generally harmless. It's just not an equal thing. Like in this article. The reaction of the extremist SJWs was in essence "How dare he deny the racism and sexism in science, he should be fired" and the reaction of the anti-SJW crowd was "SHE'S A WOMAN, LETS MURDER AND RAPE HER! I KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES!!"

And since that is the same pattern over and over again, it just becomes laughable when people complain about this SJW enemy. There's problems in society, but it's not people who are called Social Justice Warriors, whether they are extremists or not.

Not sure I really agree, but assuming we all want the same wonderful things, I don't really see why what name is used is important.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The thing is, even the worst examples of SJW are generally harmless. It's just not an equal thing. Like in this article. The reaction of the extremist SJWs was in essence "How dare he deny the racism and sexism in science, he should be fired" and the reaction of the anti-SJW crowd was "SHE'S A WOMAN, LETS MURDER AND RAPE HER! I KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES!!"

You can easily find proof of them finding the address of a 10 year old and threatening to stab him. Talking about killing babies, sending threats to rape people's mothers.

There's a comparable number of threats if not more from them than the other side. With actual proof too beyond "kill yourself" which is apparently a death threat.

You have extremists on both sides. And they are equally as bad.

Do you think people have an issue with you guys just because you have "good ideals"? Or do you think it's because of the absolute batshit insane depiction that's being flung in everyone's face, and how sick people are of being an evil white straight male, or liking something, or sometimes just existing?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What?

You can easily find proof of them finding the address of a 10 year old and threatening to stab him. Talking about killing babies, sending threats to rape people's mothers.

There's a comparable number of threats if not more from them than the other side. With actual proof too beyond "kill yourself" which is apparently a death threat.

You have extremists on both sides. And they are equally as bad.

Do you think people have an issue with you guys just because you have "good ideals"? Or do you think it's because of the absolute batshit insane depiction that's being flung in everyone's face, and how sick people are of being an evil white straight male, or liking something, or sometimes just existing?

Nah.

There is an incomparable and much larger number of violent extremists on the anti-SJW side. If you dig long enough sure you can find a handful of people who proclaim to be for social justice making similar statements to what is common in MRA and anti-SJW groups, and they should be condemned, but it's just not in the same league.

Here's the type of tweets that Joss Whedon got, an alleged victim of SJWs http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa158/Bardock42/whedontweets_zpsxotjzcch.jpg and here's the kind of harrassment Anita Sarkeesian (who does youtube videos where she critiques games) faces from the opposite side http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter if you pretend they are of the same kind or severity you are just lying.

It's the same as when people say they can't tell the difference between civil rights groups and the KKK, it's just bullshit, nothing but a diversion tactic to not address the very real problems that people who are labelled as SJW talk about.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You can easily find proof of them finding the address of a 10 year old and threatening to stab him. Talking about killing babies, sending threats to rape people's mothers.

There's a comparable number of threats if not more from them than the other side.

Wait hold on, can you elaborate on this?

Originally posted by Surtur
They might not be the same issue, but it still needs to be pointed out: it is a damn shame this woman will continue to be a drain on society for the rest of her life. If they don't have the decency to put this killer down, at least put her in solitary for the rest of her life.

She did it, she admitted she did it. There is no ambiguity, no chance of killing someone who is actually innocent.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not really renaming, social justice is a common sense thing, it is about believing in equality. The renaming has been done in service of silencing those that want equality.

The thing is, even the worst examples of SJW are generally harmless. It's just not an equal thing. Like in this article. The reaction of the extremist SJWs was in essence "How dare he deny the racism and sexism in science, he should be fired" and the reaction of the anti-SJW crowd was "SHE'S A WOMAN, LETS MURDER AND RAPE HER! I KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES!!"

And since that is the same pattern over and over again, it just becomes laughable when people complain about this SJW enemy. There's problems in society, but it's not people who are called Social Justice Warriors, whether they are extremists or not.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think both sides are a problem, it's just the guys calling for rape and murder are worse and should be dealt with with tactical airstrikes.

Yes, I agree, sans airstrike (though I appreciate the joke), there are problems in the group that's labelled as SJWs. Many of the extremists within the group are completely unforgiving, they are zealots holding people to standards that are impossible to achieve. They are however generally not violent or aggressive.

They ostracise, boycott and shun people, they don't dox and threaten or perpetrate violence.

Originally posted by Bardock42
They ostracise, boycott and shun people, they don't dox and threaten or perpetrate violence.

They do, and have. Plebcomics, for example.

also, I have no problem with you arguing your side, but I would suggest not using Sarkeesian (the con artist that she is) or Whedon (who gets it from both sides). Surely there are better examples of people getting unfairly treated.

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Also, yeah, this is off topic. Sorry.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah.

There is an incomparable and much larger number of violent extremists on the anti-SJW side. If you dig long enough sure you can find a handful of people who proclaim to be for social justice making similar statements to what is common in MRA and anti-SJW groups, and they should be condemned, but it's just not in the same league.

Here's the type of tweets that Joss Whedon got, an alleged victim of SJWs http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa158/Bardock42/whedontweets_zpsxotjzcch.jpg and here's the kind of harrassment Anita Sarkeesian (who does youtube videos where she critiques games) faces from the opposite side http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter if you pretend they are of the same kind or severity you are just lying.

It's the same as when people say they can't tell the difference between civil rights groups and the KKK, it's just bullshit, nothing but a diversion tactic to not address the very real problems that people who are labelled as SJW talk about.

Also the fact that death threats exist in the first place in any quantities, let alone large makes the notion meaningless to point. Even if you're right, one side is winning in the death threats aspect while one side is particpating. Which your previous notion of "generally harmless" goes against.

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You're contrasting a highly famous guy who is a proud supporter of SJW things, to a girl who attacks pretty much everything in an effort to piss people off. All Joss did was put rape in a character's backstory and he got turned on. The fact that people were asking to fight him doesn't exactly make the SJW movement seem good. Do you think a random person compiling one image that is - let's be honest - terrible is the same as Anita specifically choosing a "random" week of tweets?

You're picking and choosing. You can't just say "nah" and write it off just because it doesn't fit your perfect view of them. I understand that death threats are issued from the anti-sjw side, and I'm not condoning that. But you have to understand that this is common for the sjw side as well. If this is apparently common case because of big ass holes on one side then why doesn't this hold true for the other? Because you don't like it apparently.

However, it's not like this is different from getting credit card info, getting an address and threatening to burn down houses, and rape and butcher everyone in a family:

https://moonmetropolis.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/when-social-justice-warriors-attack-one-tumblr-users-experience/

Over a poem. Hundreds of thousands of posts have been made about her. Largely death threats.

Like I said in the post you quoted and largely ignored the important details of, it's not people having an issue with "good people". It's people having an issue with what the group turned into. The fact that you'd even post the Whedon example kind of proves my point. People pretend it's largely about just good people, when in reality the movement has mutated into "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt my feelings... then I'm going scorched Earth on you."

"But it wasn't DEATH THREATS"

Makes no difference. They're still shitty people attached to that issue. Which speaking of diversion tactics... lol at the KKK example. The people threatening others identify under the sjw side and are welcomed by them. They're just the extremists of it. Like the death threats of Anita.

There's also a lot of "important" people on that side calling for bullying to come back, calling for "scorched Earth" on people, and in general wishing a lot of people death. Hell there's even people calling for the death of all men... but like I said, extremists. You can pretend they don't exist on that side, and they're actually anti sjw or whatever, and that sjw are all sunshine and roses, but the fact remains that they have utterly mired that side in the same shit they say is on the anti sjw side. There's really no high ground anymore.

It's best to just disassociate with any side and just be judged as a person. Turning a blind eye when you yourself have posted an example of batshit crazy people doesn't work. It's not just about death threats. 😬

Anyway here's a kid getting threatened
http://madmansmind.com/wp-content/uploads/BwkWEgDCMAA0JDZ.png-large.png

There's a reason why one is actually a crime and the other is not.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There's a reason why one is actually a crime and the other is not.

They are, and they should be condemned just the same, I have said that. My point that you didn't address is about proportion. There's just a huge difference whether a movement is made up of 1% bad apples or 99% bad apples.

Originally posted by Bardock42
They are, and they should be condemned just the same, I have said that. My point that you didn't address is about proportion. There's just a huge difference whether a movement is made up of 1% bad apples or 99% bad apples.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not really renaming, social justice is a common sense thing, it is about believing in equality. The renaming has been done in service of silencing those that want equality.

The thing is, even the worst examples of SJW are generally harmless. It's just not an equal thing. Like in this article. The reaction of the extremist SJWs was in essence "How dare he deny the racism and sexism in science, he should be fired" and the reaction of the anti-SJW crowd was "SHE'S A WOMAN, LETS MURDER AND RAPE HER! I KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES!!"

And since that is the same pattern over and over again, it just becomes laughable when people complain about this SJW enemy. There's problems in society, but it's not people who are called Social Justice Warriors, whether they are extremists or not.

You went from extremists generally being harmless to extremists being akin to the KKK (compared to civil rights) and thus don't count, and death threats don't matter as long as you can reason in your head that it's small doses.

You're taking outliers and assuming it's the norm for one side and then shooting down outliers for the other because you don't think it's that much. Your viewpoint is heavily biased in favor of one side which is severely skewing your opinion.

It exists in a large enough quantity for us to take a measure of it, and it's ignorant to say it doesn't exist. I realize you want to diminish it, but where's your actual proof it's nigh non existant?

"Nah"

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But I did though. And that's not your original point anyway. You're moving goalposts.

You went from extremists generally being harmless to extremists being akin to the KKK (compared to civil rights) and thus don't count, and death threats don't matter as long as you can reason in your head that it's small doses.

You're taking outliers and assuming it's the norm for one side and then shooting down outliers for the other because you don't think it's that much. Your viewpoint is heavily biased in favor of one side which is severely skewing your opinion.

It exists in a large enough quantity for us to take a measure of it, and it's ignorant to say it doesn't exist. I realize you want to diminish it, but where's your actual proof it's nigh non existant?

"Nah"

You keep repeating the same accusations and misreadings of my point that I have already explained to you are not accurate interpretations. I won't argue for the strawman you are currently fighting.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Nah.

There is an incomparable and much larger number of violent extremists on the anti-SJW side. If you dig long enough sure you can find a handful of people who proclaim to be for social justice making similar statements to what is common in MRA and anti-SJW groups, and they should be condemned, but it's just not in the same league.

Also it does not change the main topic of his point which is he feels that the number of extremists on both sides are disproportionate to each other. Therefore trying to say that both sides has extremists doesn't take into context of that disparity in numbers.

Or that people throw out SJW to try and discredit people. At least I think this was a point he made earlier.