I think you can rightfully consider coming out as a transgendered person like that as brave just as much as consider a soldier brave.
A soldier rightfully goes into battle, and that's definitely brave man. You could die, you have to kill. No one is denying that by saying Caitlyn Jenner is brave.
But this guy realized "Holy ****, this guy was beaten mercilessly and nearly killed simply for being himself. It does take bravery to outwardly say who you are when it comes with lots of folks villifying and hating you."
I don't see why saying one thing is brave is some kind of disservice to other brave people?
I don't know large groups of people who want to murder and verbally harass and threaten and beat up soldiers unless they are in the opposing military?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
im sick of this theme of "HOW DARE YOU DISHONOR OUR TROOPS BY CALLING SOMEONE BRAVE WHO ISNT A TROOP!!! YOU TAKE THAT BACK"
Uh dude, no. They can call anyone brave. When people starting saying they are MORE brave is the problem. I really honestly care very little about soldiers and all that, but even I know people willingly put their life on the line every day are more brave then Bruce Jenner. There shouldn't even be a debate here. He MIGHT face some crap due to being who he is. Might, maybe, sometimes. Not guaranteed.
With soldiers deployed, there is no might, no if, no maybe this or that will happen. It is merely a question of when. So yeah, call him brave until the cows come home, that is fine.
Do I consider Bruce specifically brave? It sure is possible, but then given his association with huge media whores..it could be other things besides bravery.
Originally posted by Surtur
Uh dude, no. They can call anyone brave. When people starting saying they are MORE brave is the problem. I really honestly care very little about soldiers and all that, but even I know people willingly put their life on the line every day are more brave then Bruce Jenner. There shouldn't even be a debate here. He MIGHT face some crap due to being who he is. Might, maybe, sometimes. Not guaranteed.With soldiers deployed, there is no might, no if, no maybe this or that will happen. It is merely a question of when. So yeah, call him brave until the cows come home, that is fine.
which strawman said that jenner was more brave than a soldier on a battlefield?
It was said depending on where you live coming out is more brave then being a soldier. Now, maybe the person who said this meant just an overall soldier, and not soldiers who are actually deployed and fighting, etc.
Which sure, but when I talk about being a soldier I don't mean a person who merely went through the training, etc. I'm talking about people out in the thick of it, risking their lives every day not for themselves, but for others.
On the other hand, the whole thing that sparked the guys original comments about soldiers and bravery was a picture of a soldier ON THE BATTLEFIELD. So I kind of figured it would of been obvious when I talk about soldiers that is what I meant, so when someone says "depending on where you live it is more brave" yeah, I took that to mean more brave then a soldier out there fighting.
In other words, I didn't think I had to even specify I was talking about soldiers on the battlefield. But apparently I do, so now I have.
Originally posted by Surtur
It was said depending on where you live coming out is more brave then being a soldier. Now, maybe the person who said this meant just an overall soldier, and not soldiers who are actually deployed and fighting, etc.
Well, serving in the military is met with respect and honor by citizens when you get back, almost invariably. Coming out? Not really.
Also, I would be interested to see suicide rates for both parties.
Not that any of this matters and it is needless and unproductive dick-wagging on who has it worse. Coming out or military woes?
Who cares? They both have severe problems and neither should be marginalized as been less worse than the other. It is a really weird argument/conversation to have.
It's the meme that's going around which probably makes Surtur think that.
It seems to be everywhere. I FB unfriended (in part) for the first time because someone kept posting pics of wounded or crippled soldiers with "Braver Than Bruce Jenner?" captions and the like and those pics have been liked/shared thousands of times.
Yeah, I did not say Caitlyn Jenner was more brave than a soldier on a battlefield. I said that depending on location I might consider coming out as trans more brave (and perhaps more foolish) than being a soldier on a battlefield. Like in a really deeply conservative town in the US, or some hardcore Christian places in Africa...
Though the whole thing is a bit silly isn't it. Comparing bravery power levels. Obviously soldiers are brave, but people coming out are brave as well.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I really enjoyed the OP and the few comments afterwards. Made me quite happy.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, serving in the military is met with respect and honor by citizens when you get back, almost invariably. Coming out? Not really.Also, I would be interested to see suicide rates for both parties.
Not that any of this matters and it is needless and unproductive dick-wagging on who has it worse. Coming out or military woes?
Who cares? They both have severe problems and neither should be marginalized as been less worse than the other. It is a really weird argument/conversation to have.
I have never agreed with you as much about anything you ever said here on KMC or to me outside of it as I agree with both of these posts
Originally posted by Robtard
It's the meme that's going around which probably makes Surtur think that.It seems to be everywhere. I FB unfriended (in part) for the first time because someone kept posting pics of wounded or crippled soldiers with "Braver Than Bruce Jenner?" captions and the like and those pics have been liked/shared thousands of times.
Things like this don't help the situation, yeah.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, serving in the military is met with respect and honor by citizens when you get back, almost invariably. Coming out? Not really.
Okay, but I wasn't talking about what happens to a soldier once he gets back from the battlefield.
Not that any of this matters and it is needless and unproductive dick-wagging on who has it worse. Coming out or military woes?Who cares? They both have severe problems and neither should be marginalized as been less worse than the other. It is a really weird argument/conversation to have.
I agree it is weird, but like I said..it started over a picture of soldiers on a battlefield(or dolls painted to resemble that) so I pretty much assumed it would be a given that is the type of stuff I'm talking about when it comes to bravery.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I did not say Caitlyn Jenner was more brave than a soldier on a battlefield. I said that depending on location I might consider coming out as trans more brave (and perhaps more foolish) than being a soldier on a battlefield. Like in a really deeply conservative town in the US, or some hardcore Christian places in Africa...Though the whole thing is a bit silly isn't it. Comparing bravery power levels. Obviously soldiers are brave, but people coming out are brave as well.
Because in America we have a Bravery Well and it's finite. Taking a bucket of bravery out for Jenner means that some soldier somewhere will not get theirs.