Originally posted by Quincy
You see this a lot in Social Media - someone is praised in droves and then there is an abundance of folks decrying said praise.Terry Coffey was one of those folks who posted on facebook how Caitlyn Jenner's comparisons to bravery were silly, implying that true bravery was not found in a transgendered persons struggles, but instead the US Military. He posted the following:
You've probably seen it shared on your facebook somewhere.
There's been an abundance of these popping up, even folks posting fake notices of award transgressions, but regardless.
Terry's Post was shared millions of times by millions of people. But then something interesting happened on the internet.
Terry's new fame lead him to realize he should probably credit the person who took that photo, and what he found blew his mind.
http://m.snopes.com/2015/06/04/terry-coffey-jenner-bravery/
This kind of blew my mind reading online this morning. I looked at this guys actual facebook page to see if the most recent development is true, and it is. It's right there.
Someone realized the power of their words, and in a twist of fate realized their flaw, and has since been changed for the better. Pretty great little story if you ask me.
Did the guy who made this post, know this wasn't even a real photograph? He created all this stir over simply nothing..
Talk about fake hype.
Fake propoganda, hyping fake people.
Genius.
Originally posted by Newjak
Like I said it depends. I mean mental abuse and negativity can drastically effect someone's health and Caitlyn did throw herself out there where she can be the sole focus for all that hate.
I'm just trying to get a measure for how people weigh this. I personally think an average transexual is going to deal with more hardships. Bills, abuse, and a probability of no support, etc. They can't just shut it off.
But yeah, mental stability is a large concern for transexuals.
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/
Is it from abuse or just other issues? Either way people should look into getting help before and after they make the change. At the very least you'd think it'd start getting monitored considering the rates.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
To be more specific- the picture isn't real (at least not in the sense the guy originally thought it was). It's two dolls, painted and posed that way by the bashing victim as part of his therapy. I think that does actually rather make a point when he realised what he had ended up saying by saying 'this shows true bravery', as he was literally showing evidence of something that was not what he meant.
Ah Ush figured it out. Great words here.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If anyone had said they watched the Kardashians here a year ago, everyone would have given them shit for it.Now, its like ok?
KMC has changed. Big time.
This place has become a breeding ground for un earned sympathy for rotten idols and politicians.
What does watching or not watching the Kardashian TV show have anything to do with this?
How is Caitlyn Jenner "rotten"? This is a serious question, do I not know something awful about her?
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSo before we continue I want to say I'm not saying that transexuals are mentally unstable because they are transexuals.
I'm just trying to get a measure for how people weigh this.But yeah, mental stability is a large concern for transexuals.
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/Is it from abuse or just other issues? Either way people should look into getting help before and after they make the change. At the very least you'd think it'd start getting monitored considering the rates.
I'm saying that anyone regardless of gender, age, sexual orientation, or religion that is ostracized and attacked mentally can suffer from these concerns. Caitlyn putting herself front and center makes her the largest and easiest target for all that hate.
Originally posted by Robtard
What does watching or not watching the Kardashian TV show have anything to do with this?How is Caitlyn Jenner "rotten"? This is a serious question, do I not know something awful about her?
The Kardashians in general are awful, have you ever watched the show or know what they are about? Its just a show about rich people with rich problems and they some how want their fans to "feel" for them. They are rotten because they sold out for money, and they have no connection to the average people. Half of them are drunk all the time, spending tons of money, arguing about only God knows what.
The show is pathetic. I'm sickened by even wasting my time thinking and talking about this.
Y'all go right ahead.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The Kardashians in general are awful, have you ever watched the show or know what they are about? Its just a show about rich people with rich problems and they some how want their fans to "feel" for them. They are rotten because they sold out for money, and they have no connection to the average people. Half of them are drunk all the time, spending tons of money, arguing about only God knows what.The show is pathetic. I'm sickened by even wasting my time thinking and talking about this.
Y'all go right ahead.
I haven't, "reality" TV isn't my thing for the most part. But I understand the basics of the show.
My question was in regards in how the show factors in with this.
Alright then.
Originally posted by NewjakI realize. I'm just adding that in there because obviously it's a factor either way. I'm not saying it's mental stability or mental abuse, just saying it's an issue. I have my personal opinion on the matter that I won't share here. Just whatever it is, it affects a large number of transexuals. More than the 41 percent suicide rate would imply.
So before we continue I want to say I'm not saying that transexuals are mentally unstable because they are transexuals.I'm saying that anyone regardless of gender, age, sexual orientation, or religion that is ostracized and attacked mentally can suffer from these concerns. Caitlyn putting herself front and center makes her the largest and easiest target for all that hate.
I'm just curious, not trying to argue or anything whether people put this spotlight on par with what an average transexual has to go through. The amount of bravery etc.
I think obviously it takes some balls (for lack of a better term) to do it, but I think I'd rather be him doing it than another person with less doing it. And I don't think it's close.
srug
Originally posted by Lestov16
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Saw this earlier, so true.
Jon Stewart is so good, I'm going to be very sad when he retires
Originally posted by SurturNo one said that open transsexuals are more brave than soldiers. Once again, you're whining about dumb shit that no one did because... why? You're transphobic I guess?
Uh dude, no. They can call anyone brave. When people starting saying they are MORE brave is the problem. I really honestly care very little about soldiers and all that, but even I know people willingly put their life on the line every day are more brave then Bruce Jenner. There shouldn't even be a debate here. He MIGHT face some crap due to being who he is. Might, maybe, sometimes. Not guaranteed.With soldiers deployed, there is no might, no if, no maybe this or that will happen. It is merely a question of when. So yeah, call him brave until the cows come home, that is fine.
Do I consider Bruce specifically brave? It sure is possible, but then given his association with huge media whores..it could be other things besides bravery.
Just... shut up dude. Your posts are dumber than dirt.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftIt depends on how Caitlyn feels about all the negative press she will probably face now, and also upon what her ideas of coming out entailed. The thing about bravery is that to be brave means to face your fears, but fears are subjective and entirely insubstantial. Is a man not brave for facing a fear which was ultimately harmless?
I realize. I'm just adding that in there because obviously it's a factor either way. I'm not saying it's mental stability or mental abuse, just saying it's an issue. I have my personal opinion on the matter that I won't share here. Just whatever it is, it affects a large number of transexuals. More than the 41 percent suicide rate would imply.
It will affect Bruce in some way, and it will affect the average one.I'm just curious, not trying to argue or anything whether people put this spotlight on par with what an average transexual has to go through. The amount of bravery etc.
I think obviously it takes some balls (for lack of a better term) to do it, but I think I'd rather be him doing it than another person with less doing it. And I don't think it's close.srug
This is why the stupid debate on who is more brave is, well, stupid (this is a reference to Surtur's posts mostly, not yours). What might be less scary for you might be terrifying to Jenner. Do I particularly sympathize with Jenner or think of them as heroic or brave? No not really. But I wouldn't get up in arms with people who do. Bravery is a state of mind. Actions can show it, but ultimately its impossible to gauge. It's not quantifiable. So it ultimately can't be objectively debated, at least in this instance.