Originally posted by carver9
Surtur doesn't debate off of average showings though. He debates solely off of powerset.
But you debate by silly tactics. I ask for speed feats, which is a friggin logical thing to ask in a fight like this where everyone has some level of speed, and you come with "Flash is faster, does he win?!".
Again, this was your response to me *merely asking what their speed was*.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It's long ago that I saw something from him but IIRC he was above Suprema and didn't she lift and entire Universe and was fast enough to beat time stop? I don't think it's necessary for a char to sneez out a solar system or tow a Galaxy, lifting a universe is good enough.
Also if we take crossovers into consideration, a later version of Supreme beat Gladiator and neither Marvel nor BM showed anything as impressive as Glads imo.
Yep, the sister moved..something, and it was revealed that object was..the entire universe. Or like..tied to the universe, or was the weight of the universe. Basically, she was shaking the universe. Supreme and his sis weren't operating on drastically different power levels.
Does it make sense? No, but it is why it is strange to see people acting like anyone in Invincible could legitimately compete with Supreme truly at his strongest.
Originally posted by Stoic
So was Gladiator. All eyes on you champ.
Just to note Gladiator was, at best, maybe a PC Superman lite. He is comparable to the PC Supes of the late 70s and early 80s..where he wasn't as crazy as he was in the 50's or 60s.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Supreme molested Gladiator, I see no reason why he wouldn't again. Blue Marvel still doesn't really have too many showings yet.
Well Invincible and Gladiator could go to a self help group. Gladiator was molested, Invincible was full on raped by a female Viltruumite.
Originally posted by StoicIt kind of seems like you're trying to low-ball Supreme, by throwing around names like "Omni-Man" and "Invincible." srsly
Not based on feats he won't be taking this. What about Omni Man, or Invincible would make you believe that he's taking this?
Fact is, 'Mean' Supreme(the specific version in question) does have some pretty damned impressive showings under Larsen. Prior to being released, Mean Supreme was stated to be the most powerful Supreme of them all. It was also stated that it took the entire Supreme Family just to contain Mean Supreme(that's how he got locked up in the first place.) These statements were soon confirmed when Mean Supreme was released, as he easily rape-stomped the entire army of Daxes in a mere 2 pages--this same army had just shit-stomped the entire Supreme Family. ie. Mean Supreme>>>Dax-army>>>Supreme Family. Additionally, after absorbing the power of some laser fire(yes, he can absorb energy attacks to boot), Mean Supreme also killed his arch-nemesis Khromium, along with every living being on Khromium's planet, with a single energy attack. He then proceeded to physically destroy the planet itself, before throwing Khromium into a nearby star... Mean Supreme also beat the absolute shit out of Suprema, who once lifted universe-weight... But that's neither here nor there.
Point is: Omni-Man stalemating Mean Supreme is a very high showing for Omni-Man. It is certainly not a low or mediocre showing for Supreme, given Larsen's consistently uber depiction of him.
Originally posted by Galan007
It kind of seems like you're trying to low-ball Supreme, by throwing around names like "Omni-Man" and "Invincible." srslyFact is, 'Mean' Supreme(the specific version in question) does have some pretty damned impressive showings under Larsen. Prior to being released, Mean Supreme was stated to be the most powerful Supreme of them all. It was also stated that it took the entire Supreme Family just to contain Mean Supreme(that's how he got locked up in the first place.) These statements were soon confirmed when Mean Supreme was released, as he easily rape-stomped the entire army of Daxes in a mere 2 pages--this same army had just shit-stomped the entire Supreme Family. ie. Mean Supreme>>>Dax-army>>>Supreme Family. Additionally, after absorbing the power of some laser fire(yes, he can absorb energy attacks to boot), Mean Supreme also killed his arch-nemesis Khromium, along with every living being on Khromium's planet, with a single energy attack. He then proceeded to physically destroy the planet itself, before throwing Khromium into a nearby star... Mean Supreme also beat the absolute shit out of Suprema, who once lifted universe-weight... But that's neither here nor there.
Point is: Omni-Man stalemating Mean Supreme is a very high showing for Omni-Man. It is certainly not a low or mediocre showing for Supreme, given Larsen's consistently uber depiction of him.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but we have been going with the most recent depiction of characters. As we know, Supreme has been retconned several times. So instead of focusing on this being Mean Supreme, we should be focused on the current or most recent depiction of the character. I mean do we automatically argue crazy ass feat PC Superman when we place Superman vs [insert name here]? No we use the most recent version of the character, unless the OP specifically states otherwise. It should also be noted that Mean Supreme had fits against Image comics Thor, and the battle was far less than Earth shaking. So, are his extreme highs the average? I don't think so. Come on, you know how these things work.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Someone post the Supreme/Gladz fight... Pretty sure it was a give and take.... If it was tipped in Supreme's favor in any way, it must have been very slight...
With some banging tunes as well.
