Originally posted by StoicMean Supreme IS the most recent depiction of the character.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but we have been going with the most recent depiction of characters. As we know, Supreme has been retconned several times. So instead of focusing on this being Mean Supreme, we should be focused on the current or most recent depiction of the character.
Originally posted by Galan007
Mean Supreme IS the most recent depiction of the character.
Then who is the Supreme that first appeared, and was running around like a mad man? Also, do you know if Supreme was depowered in his fight with Gladiator? Which happened first? That one question would decide who actually wins this.
Originally posted by Stoic'Mean' Supreme is just how Erik Larsen(the writer of the series) categorized the Liefeld-era/pre-Moore version of Supreme--the villain archetype Supreme, essentially. That is who the Supreme Family locked away. That is the version who was stated to be the most powerful of them all. That is the version who was shown to be demonstrably superior to the entire Supreme Family. That is the most recent depiction of the character. Etc. Etc.
Then who is the Supreme that first appeared, and was running around like a mad man? Also, do you know if Supreme was depowered in his fight with Gladiator? Which happened first? That one question would decide who actually wins this.
Furthermore, Supreme's most recent series(which showcased the aforementioned) ran between 2012-2013... So I'm actually talking about very up to date facts here.
As for Supreme's fight with Gladiator: to my knowledge it's non-canon... And non-canon crossovers aren't an admissible source of evidence here, regardless of how they went. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
'Mean' Supreme is just how Erik Larsen(the writer of the series) categorized the Liefeld-era/pre-Moore version of Supreme--the villain archetype Supreme, essentially. That is who the Supreme Family locked away. That is the version who was stated to be the most powerful of them all. That is the version who was shown to be demonstrably superior to the entire Supreme Family. That is the most recent depiction of the character. Etc. Etc.Furthermore, Supreme's most recent series(which showcased the aforementioned) ran between 2012-2013... So I'm actually talking about very up to date facts here.
As for Supreme's fight with Gladiator: to my knowledge it's non-canon... And non-canon crossovers aren't an admissible source of evidence here, regardless of how they went. /shrug
Where is evidence that it's non cannon?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Where is evidence that it's non cannon?
Forum rules. Same reason we don't use JLA/Avengers (even though there is SOME evidence, albeit shaky, that it is canon).
It just gets into a multicluster**** of arguing.
Within company crossovers count, though. So crossovers within Image, or within DC (Lobo meets the Authority) count, I believe.
Originally posted by Galan007
'Mean' Supreme is just how Erik Larsen(the writer of the series) categorized the Liefeld-era/pre-Moore version of Supreme--the villain archetype Supreme, essentially. That is who the Supreme Family locked away. That is the version who was stated to be the most powerful of them all. That is the version who was shown to be demonstrably superior to the entire Supreme Family. That is the most recent depiction of the character. Etc. Etc.Furthermore, Supreme's most recent series(which showcased the aforementioned) ran between 2012-2013... So I'm actually talking about very up to date facts here.
As for Supreme's fight with Gladiator: to my knowledge it's non-canon... And non-canon crossovers aren't an admissible source of evidence here, regardless of how they went. /shrug
Okay, so the very first version of Supreme is mean Supreme. Got it, unless of course I did not get it. However, I'm going to take the universe lifting feat with a grain of salt, because mean Supreme never lived up to that kind of hype. Speaking of hype neither has Hyperion. All that we have left are how well these guys do while in combat. You seem to claim that his battle against Omni Man was a low showing for Supreme. Bad way to start out Galan. Why? Because you seem to want to omit what happened in combat, and replace it with something that Supreme didn't even do. Not to mention that it was a lifting feat. Omni Man went on to double KO Supreme. It wasn't a low showing. Now Invincible happens to be slightly more powerful than Omni Man. What does this say about Supreme (current Supreme)? He's not winning this. Blue Marvel is.
Originally posted by StoicI never said that, lol. My actual statement:
You seem to claim that his battle against Omni Man was a low showing for Supreme. Bad way to start out Galan.
Originally posted by Galan007
Point is: Omni-Man stalemating Mean Supreme is a very high showing for Omni-Man. It is certainly not a low or mediocre showing for Supreme, given Larsen's consistently uber depiction of him.
Get your 'facts' straight. Once you have that sorted out, perhaps we can resume this discussion. 🙂
I think it mainly boils down to people not wanting to accept characters from the Invincible-universe(Viltrumites, primarily) as the powerhouses they truly are, and instead use them as a means to reverse-lowball.
"Well, Mean Supreme has to be weaksauce if Omni-Man stalemated him... Dats da onley logykal explanashun!!1!!!!1!111!!"
Forget the fact that Larsen obviously had a throbbing hard-on for Mean Supreme, and consistently wrote him at a very high level in that series. Nolan stalemating him(under Larsen's pen, no less) MUST mean he is a feeb that any Superman-analogue from Marvel would own... That definitely makes the most sense... Right..? kinda
Originally posted by Galan007
I think it mainly boils down to people not wanting to accept characters from the Invincible-universe(Viltrumites, primarily) as the powerhouses they truly are, and instead use them as a means to reverse-lowball."Well, Mean Supreme has to be weaksauce if Omni-Man stalemated him... Dats da onley logykal explanashun!!1!!!!1!111!!"
Forget the fact that Larsen obviously had a throbbing hard-on for Mean Supreme, and consistently wrote him at a very high level in that series. Nolan stalemating him(under Larsen's pen, no less) MUST mean he is a feeb that any Superman-analogue from Marvel would own... That definitely makes the most sense... Right..? kinda
Just because I'm curious, Omni-Man vs PC Superman, what happens?
