Darth Vader vs Mace windu

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Originally posted by AncientPower
Lol at Vader crushing him with the Force, the vastly more powerful Darth Sidious couldn't, don't be ludicrous.

Someone like Vader, who atomized Lyleks and briefly chocked Galen Marek, would have no problem ragdolling Mace with the Force.

I'm not sure how he's winning sabers either. I guess if you want to infer he's more skilled by virtue of being a peer of Dooku then maybe, but his feats really aren't better than Vader's at all

He's faster, more agile/mobile, comparably strong, and benefits from mastering Shatterpoint. Aside from that, he achieved impasse with the mythos' arguably most prolific swordsman, and last I checked is the reigning master of the most advanced form of lightsaber combat. 👆

Sabers is firmly in Windu's favor. Shatterpoint will allow him to capitalize on the numerous weaknesses that Vader's suit has.

The Force is clearly in Vader's favor with superior TK.

All Out: Mace Windu, he's got Vaapad and Shatterpoint which is a skillset I think will be formidable against Vader.

Yet Windu's never really used either in saber combat to my recollection, his Vapaad only seemed to help him against Sidious and that was just due to a number of other things fueling it.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm not sure how he's winning sabers either. I guess if you want to infer he's more skilled by virtue of being a peer of Dooku then maybe, but his feats really aren't better than Vader's at all

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Someone like Vader, who atomized Lyleks and briefly chocked Galen Marek, would have no problem ragdolling Mace with the Force.

Meanwhile Mace decimates droid armies, stifles Palpatine's push, TK's Quinlan and Bulq, and decisively stomps Grievous with the Force every time they meet. 😛

Sure, Vader's obviously more powerful, but implying he could ragdoll Mace with impunity is lolworthy.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's faster, more agile/mobile, comparably strong, and benefits from mastering Shatterpoint. Aside from that, he achieved impasse with the mythos' arguably most prolific swordsman, and last I checked is the reigning master of the most advanced form of lightsaber combat. 👆

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Someone like Vader, who atomized Lyleks and briefly chocked Galen Marek, would have no problem ragdolling Mace with the Force.

At the very least, Windu will break free in short order.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's also mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat.

Used to throw this one around a lot, but I have yet to see any source confirming it.

:mmm: Interesting.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He's also mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat. Briefly choking Marek after smashing/stunning him with a massive table doesn't mean he can choke Windu.

At the very least, Windu will break free in short order.

I was addressing their final duel, not the meeting on Corellia. And Marek is far and away more powerful than Mace.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Meanwhile Mace decimates droid armies, stifles Palpatine's push, TK's Quinlan and Bulq, and decisively stomps Grievous with the Force every time they meet. 😛

Sure, Vader's obviously more powerful, but implying he could ragdoll Mace with impunity is lolworthy.

Mace didn't decimate droid armies. The Dantooine feat was the result of a domino effect. He only TK'ed dozens of droids.

Tk'ing Vos and Bulq doesn't mean much considering that Vader pushed TFU2 Starkiller who is even more powerful than the original.

Stomping Grievous is no big deal either. Obi-Wan did the same, yet Dooku and Maul dominated him with the Force.

I think a source states Mace learnt Juyo first and decided to craft Vaapad as a result of noticing Juyo's flaws - if that's true, then he's also a high-level master of multiple other forms.

Mace's showings just aren't comparable to Vader's on the telekinetic scale - the best argument to be made against Vader's TK is the fact that in certain fights (particularly against major personal foes) he has decided to neglect telekinesis in favor of proving his superior combative skill - it might be the case here as well, considering Mace's own repute as a swordsman.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
I was addressing their final duel, not the meeting on Corellia. And Marek is far and away more powerful than Mace.

Anyway I think considering they are more or less equals in terms of power, its not really much proof of anything. Its not proof that Vader can grip Windu with any level of length or effectiveness to actually do him harm.

Simply put he is unlikely to be what Dooku and Maul were to Kenobi.

If he can stifle a Palpatine Force Push he can do better against Vader's, Vader isn't Force stomping Windu at all. Mace Windu is an extremely powerful Jedi Master above anyone bar Yoda and Dooku in the Order. Stop treating him like Trebor because even my IQ is suffering reading this stuff.

When does Windu tank a Force push from Palpatine?

EDIT: I'm also beginning to think Vader was only able to choke Marek because of he has poor Force defenses...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Doesn't that happen in the contexts of game mechanics though? And isn't Marek able to break free with ease if you press the correct keys?

Anyway I think considering they are more or less equals in terms of power, its not really much proof of anything. Its not proof that Vader can grip Windu with any level of length or effectiveness to actually do him harm.

Simply put he is unlikely to be what Dooku and Maul were to Kenobi.

No, it was in the novel. And of course Marek blasted him away almost immediately, hence why I said "briefly".

Then there is also this, which isn't gameplay:

Very well, well as I say considering Vader and Marek as practically equal in terms of ability. I can only imagine Marek has particular weak Force defenses, or Vader is very good at breaking them. Or both. Either way it doesn't matter, Mace Windu is a far more refined master of the Force than Starkiller, I really doubt he'd succumb to these kind of tactics, which would likely only prove effective against an adept like Marek.

In the novel, Palpatine pushes Mace but Mace uses telekinesis of his own to adjust the path of his movement so that he slammed into a stanchion instead of flying outside the window.

Not sure I'm convinced it was a maximum-effort or even high-effort showing from Palpatine, though, since I am one of those who believe Palpatine basically faked the duel.

Originally posted by SunRazer
In the novel, Palpatine pushes Mace but Mace uses telekinesis of his own to adjust the path of his movement so that he slammed into a stanchion instead of flying outside the window.

Not sure I'm convinced it was a maximum-effort or even high-effort showing from Palpatine, though, since I am one of those who believe Palpatine basically faked the duel.