For a point of comparison, the difference between SSJ Goku and 100% Freeza was only about 22%. The difference between Perfect Cell and SSJ2 Gohan was <2x. The difference between Shin Gohan and Super Buu was <2x. The difference between Pure Buu and Fat Buu was <2x. etc. etc. etc... And all of those were absolutely one-sided shit-stomps in the manga.
For another point of comparison: even the difference between Saiyan saga Vegeta and 1st form Freeza was 'only' ~29x. That said, it's hard to even fathom what tier Shin Gohan would fall under if he became 50x more powerful than he already was. I'd say stomping the f*ck out of Goku is a strong possibility, though.
If we just use Vegetto's canon showings from the manga, wherein he never lays a finger on Buuhan in his base level, then it's entirely possible that SSJ Shin Gohan would stomp him, imo. I certainly do not believe there was more than a 50x difference between the two of them--nowhere near it, in fact.
What gets people wanking the bejesus out of Vegetto are his non-canon anime filler scenes. Personally, I don't consider those at all when I make an assessment of his power.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I dunno if some people realize just how absurdly powerful Buuhan and SSJ1 Vegetto were by the end of DBZ saga.
They'd hold their own against most of the GT characters.
Hell no, they'd get beat by Super Baby Vegeta 1
GT's power creep is probably the most insane in the franchise
^ No joke.
Goku stated that Super Baby Vegeta 1 had the most powerful ki he'd EVER felt. This means he was > ALL before him(Z characters included)... And that was obviously BEFORE Baby Vegeta had even reached his peak form.
Point: peak Z levels, like Vegetto and Buuhan, dwindle into utter insignificance next to GT levels.
There's really no logical way that SSJ3 Goku could have bridged that much of a gap... Even if you cut Gohan's power in half, imo.
That said, Toriyama didn't give a f*ck about Shin Gohan's level in the film--he was originally depicted as a SSJ when he fought Beerus until fans became outraged, ffs.
...That's why most of us still stick to Shin Gohan's depiction in the manga--it presents the most consistency, by FAR.
Originally posted by Galan007Vegeta did.
There's really no logical way that SSJ3 Goku could have bridged that much of a gap... Even if you cut Gohan's power in half, imo.That said, Toriyama didn't give a f*ck about Shin Gohan's level in the film--he was originally depicted as a SSJ when he fought Beerus until fans became outraged, ffs.
...That's why most of us still stick to Shin Gohan's depiction in the manga--it presents the most consistency, by FAR.
But the movie is still canon and it blatantly shows Gohan powering up. Not to mention Fat Buu got easily beaten as well when he previously took a huge beating by Kid Buu. And SS Gotenks got spanked out when people think he's SS3 Goku level.
They just got a rape train run on them from someone far higher. Maybe Gohan takes one more kick but really he shouldn't accomplish anything especially considering all the power of the sayians there wasn't enough to even concern him.
Except Vegeta.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftI think you're confused at what we're talking about.
Vegeta did.But the movie is still canon and it blatantly shows Gohan powering up. Not to mention Fat Buu got easily beaten as well when he previously took a huge beating by Kid Buu. And SS Gotenks got spanked out when people think he's SS3 Goku level.
They just got a rape train run on them from someone far higher. Maybe Gohan takes one more kick but really he shouldn't accomplish anything especially considering all the power of the sayians there wasn't enough to even concern him.
Except Vegeta.
We are under the impression that this thread is Shin Gohan+SSJ(basically, Shin Gohan*50) vs. SSJG Goku. That's the only reason I/we think Gohan is >.
Originally posted by Galan007I realize. Hence my first post asking what SSGod amped things to. If Goku was equal to Gohan or above it'd be relevant information to figure out the maths and subtractions and protractors and stencils.
I think you're confused at what we're talking about.We are under the impression that this thread is Shin Gohan+SSJ(basically, Shin Gohan*50) vs. SSJG Goku. That's the only reason I/we think Gohan is >.
Just saying that even if Gohan was written "low" we wouldn't know because Beerus should be able to cock jam him badly anyway. I mean I guess it was a solid kick so he's got that for an excuse.
Well, we know he was many, many times more powerful than Goku during the Buu saga. So like I said, even if you cut Shin Gohan's power in half due to lack of training or w/e, he'd still be around Super Buu-level... Which still would make him several times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku as of the Buu saga.
Goku bridging that significant of a gap by the time of BoG is highly improbable considering he was still restricted to SSJ1-SSJ3. Their showings against Beerus certainly do not constitute a proper gauge, either--SSJ3 Goku was tooled with a finger-flick and casual hand-chop, ffs.