Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lana specifically said she was preparing her mental defenses for months prior to Ziost to counter something like Vitiate's widespread attack. And like we mentioned a thousand times, his power was spread out across the entire planet.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except for the part where the Force obviously still is present on Ziost and people can land there without dying.

And yet the planet turned to the famous brown color after Vitiate drained it, the deaths were just as described in the book, etc.

Yes, and just like Nathema, the Force is no longer present on Ziost and everything dies when it gets close....oh wait. Something else happened on Ziost. Whether intentional or not remains to be seen, but it's not the same as Nathema.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, and just like Nathema, the Force is no longer present on Ziost and everything dies when it gets close....oh wait. Something else happened on Ziost. Whether intentional or not remains to be seen, but it's not the same as Nathema.

I'm pretty sure it was stated as such in the game as well. The only difference is that Vitiate performed this ritual as a spirit and required a lot of deaths happening simultaneously.

He also didn't have the benefit of 8,000 sith lords.

You don't die if you get close to Nathema tho.

Meh. Hang out there long enough. I'm sure you'll die eventually. Certainly as close as an orbital station.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I'm pretty sure it was stated as such in the game as well. The only difference is that Vitiate performed this ritual as a spirit and required a lot of deaths happening simultaneously.

He also didn't have the benefit of 8,000 sith lords.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Meh. Hang out there long enough. I'm sure you'll die eventually. Certainly as close as an orbital station.

And I'm pretty sure you're wrong. The Force is never said to be dead on Ziost, and Ziost isn't even a dead world in the future. You also said he "mastered" this ritual and it was exactly the same. Which it isn't.

He mastered the ritual in terms of not needing weeks of prep or 8,000 sith lord. Many parts of the ritual are the same. Very possible that because he mastered it, he didn't need to erase the force from the world, which would make sense since he created the monoliths.

The only thing that's the same is ALMOST everything died. Why would he care about "erasing" the Force there? It would only serve to make him stronger. He also no longer needs the monoliths alive; their purpose is served. We know literally nothing about what happened except he turned Ziost to ash. You're just making a bunch of assumptions. Baseless ones at that.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The only thing that's the same is ALMOST everything died. Why would he care about "erasing" the Force there? It would only serve to make him stronger. He also no longer needs the monoliths alive; their purpose is served. We know literally nothing about what happened except he turned Ziost to ash. You're just making a bunch of assumptions. Baseless ones at that.

People dying in the manner consistent with the novel: check
The planet turning yellowish brown after the ritual: check

Not sure if you know what "baseless assumptions" means.

>Force not dead check
>life on planet in the future check
>no reason for Vitiate to care, check

It's a baseless assumption. Saying, "People died and it's brown." Isn't an argument.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Meh. Hang out there long enough. I'm sure you'll die eventually. Certainly as close as an orbital station.

I don't see why, exactly. I don't think anyone starts getting the willies that far away from it. Also it's not clear if Meetra was being literal about how badly she was getting affected or if she was just wigging out. I mean, wasn't Revan unconscious and totally vulnerable on Nathema and he didn't get his soul sucked out or whatever.

Also I don't think Bioware gives the tiniest of ****s that theres shit on Nathema in the now erased EU future timeline.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
>Force not dead check
>life on planet in the future check
>no reason for Vitiate to care, check

It's a baseless assumption. Saying, "People died and it's brown." Isn't an argument.

No, saying "at least 2 things fit the exact description in the novel" IS an argument. Try again.

No. No it's not. Because the exact description is the Force is no longer present on Nathema. The planet is colored that way because all of, or at least the majority, of life is dead on the planet. It's not something that specific to Vitiate performing a certain kind of ritual.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No. No it's not. Because the exact description is the Force is no longer present on Nathema. The planet is colored that way because all of, or at least the majority, of life is dead on the planet. It's not something that specific to Vitiate performing a certain kind of ritual.

Of course it is. The same description comes from the novel, how his ritual enveloped the entire planet, as shown in the cut scenes.

Literally the only thing that we know is the same is that everything died. The novel describes a barren planet, even of the Force. Ziost is not barren in the same way. You're just ignoring that to fall back on, "It's the same color."

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Literally the only thing that we know is the same is that everything died. The novel describes a barren planet, even of the Force. Ziost is not barren in the same way. You're just ignoring that to fall back on, "It's the same color."

Moreover, there is no story to tell on Ziost after the apocalyptic events on this planet. It is now a barren wasteland. Yes, you have access to the planet but this is purely for gameplay/operations purposes. You have to suspend belief and roll with the gameplay elements. However, I am sure that Ziost's environment in the lore won't be a pleasant experience after the apocalyptic event.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
SWTOR is no longer compatible with the future developments. Ziost have been turned into another Nathema in the galaxy.

Also, there is no story to tell after the apocalyptic events on Ziost. Yes, you have access to the planet but this is purely for operations purposes.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Something you just made up, well not just, because that was never said anywhere. TOR is still Legends, your hopes to the contrary.

Q: Are The Old Republic expansions canon?

A: No — BioWare "has created their own universe that is so fantastic," we're not going to change it, says Hidalgo.

Legends or not, SWTOR is no longer compatible with the futuristic developments in the Legends lore.

Reasons?

1. Ziost is destroyed.
2. Vitiate becomes the ruler of the galaxy.
3. Zakuul Empire.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which has shit to do with my point, and visiting it after the "apocalyptic events" is part of the mission line.

Quoting isn't working for shit, but you know it's you.

Refreshing your memory:

Q: Are The Old Republic expansions canon?

A: No — BioWare "has created their own universe that is so fantastic," we're not going to change it, says Hidalgo.

Legends or not, SWTOR is no longer compatible with the futuristic developments in the Legends lore.

Reasons?

1. Ziost is destroyed.

2. Vitiate becomes the ruler of the galaxy.

3. Zakuul Empire.

Every mission is not part of the story.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Literally the only thing that we know is the same is that everything died. The novel describes a barren planet, even of the Force. Ziost is not barren in the same way. You're just ignoring that to fall back on, "It's the same color."

You're just rationalizing at this point. I gave you two distinct points that were described in the novel and your only response is "can't hear you, you're just ignoring other facts and falling on the two facts you mentioned". Which by the way, is already a ridiculous notion, if I'm falling on the two facts.