Originally posted by carver9
😂Whatever. It was stated here that Hulk energy (energy FROM the Hulk) was being manipulated.
Lol...they were taking power from him and adding it to Annihilus.
That's not what the scan says. It says "complex manipulation" of Hulk's "mystery element." It does not say that the element was energy or that it was extracted from Hulk in any way.
http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1.jpg.html
This page is one of three that suggests otherwise.
The words they keep using are "identify" and "synthesize." In other words, they're studying Hulk with scanners and manufacturing their own version of whatever "mystery element" they find. At no point do they appear to take energy from the Hulk or hurt him during their experiments.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
That's not what the scan says. It says "complex manipulation" of Hulk's "mystery element." It does not say that the element was energy or that it was extracted from Hulk in any way.http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1.jpg.html
This page is one of three that suggests otherwise.
The words they keep using are "identify" and "synthesize." In other words, they're studying Hulk with scanners and manufacturing their own version of whatever "mystery element" they find. At no point do they appear to take energy from the Hulk or hurt him during their experiments.
MANIPULATING the energy FROM THE Hulk. It doesn't have to outright tell you that he is being harm. It's pretty obvious based off of all that GREEN energy going on around the room.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me where he turned it off at. Scan please.
http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_1.jpg.html
Read the whole left panel.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_1.jpg.htmlRead the whole left panel.
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Originally posted by carver9
MANIPULATING the energy FROM THE Hulk. It doesn't have to outright tell you that he is being harm. It's pretty obvious based off of all that GREEN energy going on around the room.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this confusion is because you just don't know what the word "synthesize" means. It means, they made their own "mystery element" based on th Hulk rather than actually taking his energy.
Please read the comic more carefully. They literally say so: "synthetic replication achieved."
http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_2.jpg.html
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this confusion is because you just don't know what the word "synthesize" means. It means, they made their own "mystery element" based on th Hulk rather than actually taking his energy.Please read the comic more carefully. They literally say so: "synthetic replication achieved."
http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/DreamStuffshare/media/image.jpg1_2.jpg.html
And here they say manipulating of the mysterious element 'from' the Hulk which is the reason they transformed him 'before' the procedure.
Originally posted by carver9
And here they say manipulating of the mysterious element 'from' the Hulk which is the reason they transformed him 'before' the procedure.
They scanned the Hulk, found what they wanted and replicated it. So its "from" Hulk, but they don't actually remove it from him. That's what the scanners and replicators are for.
Reasonable disagreement is one thing, but they literally talk you through the procedure on the page. There's no argument left here.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff👆 you are wasting your time telling carver anything against the Hulk.
They scanned the Hulk, found what they wanted and replicated it. So its "from" Hulk, but they don't actually remove it from him. That's what the scanners and replicators are for.Reasonable disagreement is one thing, but they literally talk you through the procedure on the page. There's no argument left here.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
I have to remind you that Hulk hadn't just transformed. He had already fought and defeated dozens of bug footsoldiers and Blastarr(sp?), and was made pretty angry (but not hurt) in the process.Let us also remember that we didnt actually see Hulk being hurt during the experiments or hear it referenced in any way.
And no, Anni isn't infinitely powerful. We know exactly how powerful he is. He's as powerful as Thanos.
You are correct. I won't deny it, and I think that was a very good catch. However he is still capable to taking it up even higher. What we saw during that conflict was nothing close to what the Savage Hulk has been seen on panel to do. As I've already stated, he does not have limitless strength, but he has done better than what we saw when he fought Annihilus. As horribly portrayed as his fight with Gladiator in the past; the Hulk was in a dying state, and he beat Gladiator as badly as Annihilus did. Again, artistic portrayal can not, and should not reduce the idea that a sufficiently pissed Hulk would destroy Gladiator, considering the way that Gladiator fights in character.
The Green Scar, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, Maestro, Grey Hulk all have one thing in common, they all have the potential to reach the same level of power. The only difference is that it takes some longer than other to reach his greatest heights of power. If Annihilus did not KO the Hulk within a certain amount of time, it would become more difficult to actually KO him. If they had fought for an hour (PIS aside) the Hulk would have become too much for Annihilus to actually handle.
This is how the Hulk's powers work. Do you agree that the more excited he becomes, the more his adrenaline allows for him to increase in strength? If so then we would be in agreement. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Annihilus actually grows in strength with rage. For instance; She Hulk, Abomination, Red Hulk, Skaar, Red She Hulk, A-Bomb did not have the ability to ramp up with anger, and the only other Hulk with dynamic strength is the Hulk's daughter. Her powers work in the direct opposite of his. She increases in strength the more calm she becomes. There is no evidence that Annihilus has this in common with the Hulk. She Hulk after all got her powers directly from the Hulk, and she does not have dynamic strength potentials past a certain point. She has to work out in human form to become exponentially stronger in her mutated form.
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@Carver, thanks for the scans, because they show that the Hulk wasn't in as much danger as many may believe. I have seen the Hulk lose all of his skin, and reduced to a near skeleton, only to come back from it within seconds. I have seen his heart pulled from his body. I've seen him reduced to intestines, and bones after being devoured by mutant cockroaches, nearly destroyed by Zeus. One thing was missing from his fight with Annihilus. He never once looked like he was in that much trouble, and unable to heal and come back from it all. Things would have been different if he was unable to heal.
I give credit where I think it's due, and many times I am wrong, but i don't feel at all in error this time around. I believe that if Annihilus did not KO the Hulk, he would have steadily grown too powerful for Annihilus to defeat without BFR. Now Bob was more powerful than the Savage Hulk, based on portrayal during WW Hulk, and in reference to his defeat at the hands of Void. Bob kicked Voids @$$ in. Power is power, and I believe that the Sentry being used in this thread would defeat Annihilus with quite a bit of difficulty, but he would win.
Originally posted by StoicThe Annihilus Thanos fought was more powerful than the one Hulk fought.
You are correct. I won't deny it, and I think that was a very good catch. However he is still capable to taking it up even higher. What we saw during that conflict was nothing close to what the Savage Hulk has been seen on panel to do. As I've already stated, he does not have limitless strength, but he has done better than what we saw when he fought Annihilus. As horribly portrayed as his fight with Gladiator in the past; the Hulk was in a dying state, and he beat Gladiator as badly as Annihilus did. Again, artistic portrayal can not, and should not reduce the idea that a sufficiently pissed Hulk would destroy Gladiator, considering the way that Gladiator fights in character.The Green Scar, War Hulk, Savage Hulk, Maestro, Grey Hulk all have one thing in common, they all have the potential to reach the same level of power. The only difference is that it takes some longer than other to reach his greatest heights of power. If Annihilus did not KO the Hulk within a certain amount of time, it would become more difficult to actually KO him. If they had fought for an hour (PIS aside) the Hulk would have become too much for Annihilus to actually handle.
This is how the Hulk's powers work. Do you agree that the more excited he becomes, the more his adrenaline allows for him to increase in strength? If so then we would be in agreement. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Annihilus actually grows in strength with rage. For instance; She Hulk, Abomination, Red Hulk, Skaar, Red She Hulk, A-Bomb did not have the ability to ramp up with anger, and the only other Hulk with dynamic strength is the Hulk's daughter. Her powers work in the direct opposite of his. She increases in strength the more calm she becomes. There is no evidence that Annihilus has this in common with the Hulk. She Hulk after all got her powers directly from the Hulk, and she does not have dynamic strength potentials past a certain point. She has to work out in human form to become exponentially stronger in her mutated form.
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@Carver, thanks for the scans, because they show that the Hulk wasn't in as much danger as many may believe. I have seen the Hulk lose all of his skin, and reduced to a near skeleton, only to come back from it within seconds. I have seen his heart pulled from his body. I've seen him reduced to intestines, and bones after being devoured by mutant cockroaches, nearly destroyed by Zeus. One thing was missing from his fight with Annihilus. He never once looked like he was in that much trouble, and unable to heal and come back from it all. Things would have been different if he was unable to heal.
I give credit where I think it's due, and many times I am wrong, but i don't feel at all in error this time around. I believe that if Annihilus did not KO the Hulk, he would have steadily grown too powerful for Annihilus to defeat without BFR. Now Bob was more powerful than the Savage Hulk, based on portrayal during WW Hulk, and in reference to his defeat at the hands of Void. Bob kicked Voids @$$ in. Power is power, and I believe that the Sentry being used in this thread would defeat Annihilus with quite a bit of difficulty, but he would win.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
The Annihilus Thanos fought was more powerful than the one Hulk fought.
I don't know? What makes you believe this? I ask, because I wasn't able to tell. Was there something that was said to prove this beyond any doubt? I know that the Hulk, and Lyra were the only gamma mutants capable of dynamic strength. Could he have been using the CCR at greater levels? I recall him stating something about finally having the ability to test his powers out on Gladiator, which made me think that his last battle before that had been with the Hulk. That isn't much to go on in terms of experience with is new found power IMO.
Originally posted by Stoicit was stated in the comic by Thanos himself that Annihilus had become more powerful as time had gone on.
I don't know? What makes you believe this? I ask, because I wasn't able to tell. Was there something that was said to prove this beyond any doubt? I know that the Hulk, and Lyra were the only gamma mutants capable of dynamic strength. Could he have been using the CCR at greater levels? I recall him stating something about finally having the ability to test his powers out on Gladiator, which made me think that his last battle before that had been with the Hulk. That isn't much to go on in terms of experience with is new found power IMO.
