Who can match or come close to a split with Despero at his best?

Originally posted by Stoic
In case you missed it, the Flame of Pytar is an outside source of power, and not at all a normal Despero at full power, or at his normal best. If we want to go that route, I could just say Adam Warlock with the IG. It is no longer just about Despero, but a DC character standing behind the Flame of Pytar [insert name] vs Some poor Marvel character [insert name] without anything to offset the handicap in play. Is that what the people arguing for Despero are aiming at? More importantly, is that what you are aiming at? If so, no character below a powerful cosmic, or abstract level being has a prayer against an equally powerful artifact that was augmenting Despero.

Not sure what Your getting at here.

The OP said Despero at his best. Darksiant asked if that would make it Flame of Pytar Despero.

Personally for me Warlock at his best WOULD BE with the SG, Thanos would be with the IG. If it said at his best without amps then Despero would be V&V level, and it should have said so.

Would we not consider Superman at his best to be Sundipped, or Hulk to be either WWH or WBH??? Wouldn't Sentry at his best be with full void potential??

Originally posted by beatboks
Not sure what Your getting at here.

The OP said Despero at his best. Darksiant asked if that would make it Flame of Pytar Despero.

Personally for me Warlock at his best WOULD BE with the SG, Thanos would be with the IG. If it said at his best without amps then Despero would be V&V level, and it should have said so.

Would we not consider Superman at his best to be Sundipped, or Hulk to be either WWH or WBH??? Wouldn't Sentry at his best be with full void potential??

The Hulk, Superman (sun dipped), and Sentry/Void at their best would be without a foreign object boosting them up. They would still be operating under their own power. Thanos with the Heart of the Universe is him at his most powerful, but he was still not at that power level under his own normal power, but instead reached that level by using an object of power. Not sure why you didn't understand what I wrote?

Flame of Py'Tar Despero should not be admissible. The object of power is not even his standard equipment. That was what i was saying.

Hence why I was asking. But it is an object that only Despero has used, so its kinda like his baby.

I just assumed thread starter wanted Despero at his most powerful levels, which for me was Flames of Py'tar Despero. Whether it was with standard equip or not, shouldn't be an issue.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

I just assumed thread starter wanted Despero at his most powerful levels, which for me was Flames of Py'tar Despero. Whether it was with standard equip or not, shouldn't be an issue.

This is what I meant, and said "Despero at his best". I didn't say "at his best with standard EQ". If I would have said Thanos at his best, I mean Thanos with IG etc....

Originally posted by The Nuul
This is what I meant, and said "Despero at his best". I didn't say "at his best with standard EQ". If I would have said Thanos at his best, I mean Thanos with IG etc....

I wonder if people would care to change their suggestions, in light of this?

Suggestions so far:
OF Thor
Thanos (without amps)
Lord Mar-vell
Lower level Sphinx
Shadow King
Certain versions of Ultron
Classic Nebulon
Dumb Drax
Versions of Warlock
Silver Surfer
Blue Marvel
Apocalypse
Cassie Nova
WWH
Any version of Sentry
Photon
Full Dick Rider

Like I have said... people need to ONLY PICK ONE character. Not 8, 25 or even 2. So no list, thanks.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Like I have said... people need to ONLY PICK ONE character. Not 8, 25 or even 2. So no list, thanks.

You're welcome 😠 I had to wade through rage to get those suggestions!

But yes, it's incredibly hard to pick someone who can match Despero. Reality warping, super speed, super strength, hypnosis, beastly TP, beastly regen/durability, energy manip as per beatboks' post....

It's gonna be hard to find someone. Maybe from anime? Think, people!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're welcome 😠 I had to wade through rage to get those suggestions!

But yes, it's incredibly hard to pick someone who can match Despero. Reality warping, super speed, super strength, hypnosis, beastly TP, beastly regen/durability, energy manip as per beatboks' post....

It's gonna be hard to find someone. Maybe from anime? Think, people!!

You're welcome.

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Originally posted by The Nuul
This is what I meant, and said "Despero at his best". I didn't say "at his best with standard EQ". If I would have said Thanos at his best, I mean Thanos with IG etc....

Thanks, that was always clear to me.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Thanks, that was always clear to me.

You always thought Dumb Drax could contend with Flames of Py'tar Despero? I can see some of your other picks doing well, but him?

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Absolutely not. WWH would get wrecked and I am a Marvel mark.

No he wouldn't.

Originally posted by carver9
No he wouldn't.

Totally agree, no one is "wrecking" WWH outside of a skyfather level being.

Not in the thread, so moot, I guess.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Totally agree, no one is "wrecking" WWH outside of a skyfather level being.

What would you class a reality warpers??? So Flame of Py'tar Despero warps gamma radiation out of existence and WWH becomes Banner. Yeah, he's going to do great.

WWH was devolved to Gray Hulk, then had his neck snapped. No Skyfatehrs were involved.

Kitty phased him into the ground, but stopped. That would not need a Skyfather to continue.

Carver has admitted Tony's SPIN tech would have worked. Tony's no Skyfather.

BFR to the Sun? Pixie could do that easily. She's no Skyfather.

WWh was insanely powerful. Let's not get carried away here. And neither would saying less than Skyfathers could defeat him take anything away from him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WWH was devolved to Gray Hulk, then had his neck snapped. No Skyfatehrs were involved.

Kitty phased him into the ground, but stopped. That would not need a Skyfather to continue.

Carver has admitted Tony's SPIN tech would have worked. Tony's no Skyfather.

BFR to the Sun? Pixie could do that easily. She's no Skyfather.

WWh was insanely powerful. Let's not get carried away here. And neither would saying less than Skyfathers could defeat him take anything away from him.

Everything you've said involved prep. With prep, near abstract beings has been taken out. I agree, anyone could probably beat WWH (anyone with intellect) if they had time to prep for it.

The part that Kitty phased still did nothing to him so phasing his body wouldn't have worked either.

Is Flame of Py'tar Despero on Mad Jims or The Furys level?

Also, when Despero fought the Justice League of America, The Justice League of Europe, The Conglomerate, and Lobo, simultaneously, was that the Flame of Py'tar version?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Totally agree, no one is "wrecking" WWH outside of a skyfather level being.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Totally agree, no one is "wrecking" WWH outside of a skyfather level being.

No one short of Skyfather?

A weakened Sentry was dealing him damage and actually beat the Hulk back into Banner, likewise with Sentry into Robert Reynolds. Not to mention Sentry's energy that he was emitting was actually searing Hulk's skin and peeling it off.

Don't think you'd need a Skyfather to wreck him to be honest.

Originally posted by carver9
Everything you've said involved prep. With prep, near abstract beings has been taken out. I agree, anyone could probably beat WWH (anyone with intellect) if they had time to prep for it.

The part that Kitty phased still did nothing to him so phasing his body wouldn't have worked either.

Pixie was prep?

Are you saying Despero is unable to devolve Hulk?

Kitty left enough for him to leverage himself out. Had his entire body been phased in, or had he been sent to the centre of the Earth, it would have worked. But she stopped and was having guilt issues. Despero won't have such issues.

Remember when you said WWH regrew his arms and legs, including his sandals? Good times.