Marvel Characters that can best Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Smartest man on the planet who used the antidote before and said it worked was Lying? Gotcha. Desperation here and I WILL remember this.

So he said nothing about Batman?

We know why he was speaking clearly.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Just answer this caver, who healed superman if he was dead?

You're just repeating your words at this point. One simple question for you. Answer it.

Better from Helspont than from Wonder Man's whipping boy though. In the very same comic Helspont was stated to have the ability to rip apart stars.

Under the same writer even H'el was unable to do something like that.

Let me guess Hulk>Helspont and H'el both right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're just repeating your words at this point. One simple question for you. Answer it.

Better from Helspont than from Wonder Man's whipping boy though. In the very same comic Helspont was stated to have the ability to rip apart stars.

Under the same writer even H'el was unable to do something like that.

Let me guess Hulk>Helspont and H'el both right?

LMAO!!!! I thought you were dismissing what is said in comics in favor of what is done? You are a damn flip flopper.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're just repeating your words at this point. One simple question for you. Answer it.

Better from Helspont than from Wonder Man's whipping boy though. In the very same comic Helspont was stated to have the ability to rip apart stars.

Under the same writer even H'el was unable to do something like that.

Let me guess Hulk>Helspont and H'el both right?

Lol...so you want me to reread the lamest comic ever to answer a question you should know. I will do it just for you Abigail.

And Helspont next showing have him getting owned by Grifter...a meta and him even being afraid of Grifter. Let's not even forget about him getting blown to bits recently. So again I ask, what has Helspont done besides drop Superman with a backhand to make you think he is above Hulk? Lol...statements huh? Ironman recently said that Hulk is strong enough to juggle suns. Which one sounds more impressive to you?

Originally posted by carver9
Banner himself said it works.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media-full//Screenshot_2014-06-25-13-47-12_zps90a2b7e0.png.html

He took an antidote before facing Sun God to hinder him from going berserk...a fail safe. Lol...him not reverting back to Banner tells you what ABHI? Pretty sure he tested this since again he said it works. He seen it used on another Hulk and of course...we are talking about one of the smartest men on the planet. He should know what he is talking about.

He wasn't in the game when he got defeated. Superman tells you in the freaking scan that I posted and you posted as well that he can now enter the game. Open your eyes.

He died.

How about you search for the thread I'm talking about.

Also, show me some fts from Helspont.

Abby has lost it. Two weeks in a row and he can't accept factual content. Sad...

Abby, are you this sorry that you can't accept the sequence clearly detailing Hulk taking an serum to keep him contained? I mean the prove is staring you in the face and it's isn't the least bit ambiguous. How can you be this dense/biased? This coming from the guy who is the sole authority on each and every instance when Superman is "weakened."

Here is the core problem with Superman vs Hulk: what is Hulks main strength? His physical strength. Sure, he is durable and has a healing factor, but if you took away his strength and left everything else untouched the level of danger he presents is vastly decreased.

Superman isn't some low end Class 100 brick that could be taken out merely via a thunderclap. Which means Hulk will have to physically beat him to death(or unconscious) in order to achieve victory. This is why I say Superman wins if he fights smart, because a smart person would avoid attacks he knows can harm him, especially if he knows he can avoid them with casual ease.

I don't care how strong he is or how high he can jump, anyone who, at the very least, couldn't avoid death/being KO'ed with Supermans powerset just isn't that smart to me. Every punch from Hulk will be in slow motion from his point of view. No holes barred fights tend to also not limit tactics like "No BFR" and all that good stuff.

If you want to say Hulk wins because Superman will fail to use all his powers to the best of his ability, fine. I can at least get on board with that because at least a person arguing that is acknowledging the massive speed difference and knows if Superman did use it Hulk would be screwed. That at least tells me they aren't completely oblivious to the reality of the situation.

And yet thats how Superman fights, and famously, dies on occasion.
Anyhow, i'll usually back Superman over Hulk, not because he's stronger but, because he has greater variety.

Originally posted by riv6672
And yet thats how Superman fights, and famously, dies on occasion.
Anyhow, i'll usually back Superman over Hulk, not because he's stronger but, because he has greater variety.

But that is why I specify *if he fights smart*. He didn't fight smart against Doomsday, he just tried to have a slugfest with him and what happened? He got beat to death.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so you want me to reread the lamest comic ever to answer a question you should know. I will do it just for you Abigail.

And Helspont next showing have him getting owned by Grifter...a meta and him even being afraid of Grifter. Let's not even forget about him getting blown to bits recently. So again I ask, what has Helspont done besides drop Superman with a backhand to make you think he is above Hulk? Lol...statements huh? Ironman recently said that Hulk is strong enough to juggle suns. Which one sounds more impressive to you?

Iron Man said Hulk can juggle suns? And we talk about DC comics doing dick measuring?

Originally posted by riv6672
And yet thats how Superman fights, and famously, dies on occasion.

You've unwittingly detailed how Superman wins.

The ability to amp as demonstrated against Doomsday shows that Clark crushes the Hulk.

Banner lacks the speed to effectively deal with Superman's offense. World War Hulk's strength would justify Superman cutting loose and that would spell doom for Hulk.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've unwittingly detailed how Superman wins.

The ability to amp as demonstrated against Doomsday shows that Clark crushes the Hulk.

Banner lacks the speed to effectively deal with Superman's offense. World War Hulk's strength would justify Superman cutting loose and that would spell doom for Hulk.

Okay so one thing needs to be made clear: people who think Hulk could win, is it because you don't feel Superman would use his speed or other powers correctly? Or do you legitimately feel that even if a genius who never holds back was given these powers..Hulk would still defeat him?

In other words does Hulk win due to having more power or because Superman is an idiot?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've unwittingly detailed how Superman wins.

The ability to amp as demonstrated against Doomsday shows that Clark crushes the Hulk.

Banner lacks the speed to effectively deal with Superman's offense. World War Hulk's strength would justify Superman cutting loose and that would spell doom for Hulk.

Never get involved in a land war with Asia. Never get into a slug fest with the Hulk.

Originally posted by Surtur
Here is the core problem with Superman vs Hulk: what is Hulks main strength? His physical strength. Sure, he is durable and has a healing factor, but if you took away his strength and left everything else untouched the level of danger he presents is vastly decreased.

Superman isn't some low end Class 100 brick that could be taken out merely via a thunderclap. Which means Hulk will have to physically beat him to death(or unconscious) in order to achieve victory. This is why I say Superman wins if he fights smart, because a smart person would avoid attacks he knows can harm him, especially if he knows he can avoid them with casual ease.

I don't care how strong he is or how high he can jump, anyone who, at the very least, couldn't avoid death/being KO'ed with Supermans powerset just isn't that smart to me. Every punch from Hulk will be in slow motion from his point of view. No holes barred fights tend to also not limit tactics like "No BFR" and all that good stuff.

If you want to say Hulk wins because Superman will fail to use all his powers to the best of his ability, fine. I can at least get on board with that because at least a person arguing that is acknowledging the massive speed difference and knows if Superman did use it Hulk would be screwed. That at least tells me they aren't completely oblivious to the reality of the situation.

Strength isn't Hulk only power just like it isn't Doomsday only power. That's why I always tell you that you need to read some Hulk stuff. This isn't a versatility debate because if it's a versatility debate then Superman doesn't stand a chance against Surfer, Thor, Sentry, let alone Kyle. Lol..then, I can't remember a single instance of DCNU Superman fighting someone at untouchable speeds. So you might want to catch up on his stuff as well.

That is the other problem with Hulk. It's almost like he radiates an aura that causes super powered beings with a variety of options at their disposal to say "screw that, time to punch him!".

Actually..that makes a lot of sense if that is a thing.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so one thing needs to be made clear: people who think Hulk could win, is it because you don't feel Superman would use his speed or other powers correctly? Or do you legitimately feel that even if a genius who never holds back was given these powers..Hulk would still defeat him?

In other words does Hulk win due to having more power or because Superman is an idiot?

Hulk wins due to being more powerful...a team wrecker/fighter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Canon, FOOL!

DOS- Kills Doomsday in a handful of punches when he cuts loose. Doomsday would've killed Banner in a comprable confrontation.

OWAW- Superman smashes Imperiex probes like paper after taking the blocks off.

Now cite canon from The Hulk showing him negating the aforementioned events.

You won't of course but I like putting your cowardice on display.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is the other problem with Hulk. It's almost like he radiates an aura that causes super powered beings with a variety of options at their disposal to say "screw that, time to punch him!".

Actually..that makes a lot of sense if that is a thing.

Like who? Who has engaged Hulk and used nothing but brute force and when people do blast at Hulk, he tends to power through it.

Originally posted by carver9
Strength isn't Hulk only power just like it isn't Doomsday only power. That's why I always tell you that you need to read some Hulk stuff. This isn't a versatility debate because if it's a versatility debate then Superman doesn't stand a chance against Surfer, Thor, Sentry, let alone Kyle. Lol..then, I can't remember a single instance of DCNU Superman fighting someone at untouchable speeds. So you might want to catch up on his stuff as well.

Do you even read now or what? I never said strength was his only power. I said it is his main strength. Perhaps catch up on the posts you quote. Hulk has zero way to defeat Superman besides physical strength.

DCNU Superman also has shown he possesses super speed movement and reaction. That is all that needs to be shown.