Originally posted by NewGuy01
The dude was crushing skulls and punching through armored torsos with his bare hands during the Maladian incident.
Ah, so he's strong too.
Originally posted by SunRazer
So what? That hardly makes him inept in the area.
Still, if he's at a skill disadvantage, then that fairly cancels out his speed advantage. He never actually beat a high-level duelist with just speed.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I doubt he's disadvantaged in the skill department.
What has he done to show in sword skill? Every tough foe he fought, he merely held them off with saber but won with force. And that even with his high speed.
If he normally has a speed edge, and still doesn't win in saber, that suggests to me that his skill isn't particularly overwhelming (when compared to other high tiers at least).
He's only fought one person on-panel with a saber (and he didn't win with the Force), but the fact that the latter person was trained their entire life solely to kill Plagueis and replace him, and the other circumstances of the fight which were heavily skewed in his opponent's favor, such as his opponent knowing his form inside-out, makes the feat as impressive as anything Krayt has ever done, except possibly outskilling Cade "with ease", as some interpret.
Originally posted by Q99Jesus lol. Venamis knew how Plagueis fought inside and out and had been training specifically to kill him for years, it's not really a surprise that Plagueis found that fight difficult on his first time fighting him (and he had no speed edge in that fight; he kept it at an impasse based on his skill alone, and won through goading Venamis into poorly managing his energy). It's a far better feat of skill and adaptability than people like to give credit for simply because Venamis is an unknown. Even having said that, again: Venamis is an ambidextrous master of multiple lightsaber forms and can switch between them at a whim, was noted as being particularly agile and unpredictable, is a lightsaber enthusiast just like Tenebrous (Plagueis in contrast found them to be tedious), and can even fight while suspending himself in mid-air. Despite being built up to being such a great fighter, and despite being able to predict Plagueis' every move seamlessly, Plagueis still managed to defeat him.
What has he done to show in sword skill? Every tough foe he fought, he merely held them off with saber but won with force. And that even with his high speed.If he normally has a speed edge, and still doesn't win in saber, that suggests to me that his skill isn't particularly overwhelming (when compared to other high tiers at least).
It's a fairly unique type of skill feat but it's definitely at least in Krayt's territory.