Plagueis vs. Krayt

Originally posted by ILS
Jesus lol. Venamis knew how Plagueis fought inside and out and had been training specifically to kill him for years, it's not really a surprise that Plagueis found that fight difficult on his first time fighting him (and he had no speed edge in that fight; he kept it at an impasse based on his skill alone, and won through goading Venamis into poorly managing his energy). It's a far better feat of skill and adaptability than people like to give credit for simply because Venamis is an unknown. Even having said that, again: Venamis is an ambidextrous master of multiple lightsaber forms and can switch between them at a whim, was noted as being particularly agile and unpredictable, is a lightsaber enthusiast just like Tenebrous (Plagueis in contrast found them to be tedious), and can even fight while suspending himself in mid-air. Despite being built up to being such a great fighter, and despite being able to predict Plagueis' every move seamlessly, Plagueis still managed to defeat him.

It's a fairly unique type of skill feat but it's definitely at least in Krayt's territory.

Originally posted by Arhael
I like how people here elevate a featless characters to Krayt based on a fight with another featless character.

I love how people dismiss the fight as against a featless character instead of interpreting the circumstances of the fight and the fact that Venamis is clearly a very skilful combatant.

Everybody's inherently featless because X beats Y who beats Z who beats A etc. who eventually gets down to a featless level.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I love how people dismiss the fight as against a featless character instead of interpreting the circumstances of the fight and the fact that Venamis is clearly a very skilful combatant.

Everybody's inherently featless because X beats Y who beats Z who beats A etc. who eventually gets down to a featless level.

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Originally posted by SunRazer
I love how people dismiss the fight as against a featless character instead of interpreting the circumstances of the fight and the fact that Venamis is clearly a very skilful combatant.

Everybody's inherently featless because X beats Y who beats Z who beats A etc. who eventually gets down to a featless level.

Right. No-one here is featless. Krayt is... almost the opposite of featless, having direct comparisons to known characters from half a dozen eras. Kenobi, Anakin, Cade, Abeloth, Morne. Plus some good vs groups of foes feats, like vs Vong and Imperial Knights.

Plaguies is certainly lighter on feats, but still has several, mostly in force, and we have some comparison at the end of his career to Sidious, who's quite known. To talk his saber feats specifically, while Venamis is certainly skilled, the fact that he's well-trained doesn't change that, in turn, he has fought no-one else, has nothing to really establish his baseline, and there are very skilled fighters with lots of praise who are still

I mean, is Venamis Shaak Ti level? Shaak Ti is a famed duelist who got high praise from sources who'd know. Kas'im level? He's got tons of praise in terms of style and skill. Ventress level? TPM Maul level? Those two were each trained to be weapons.

He could be any of those.

Though in melee combat, Plagueis doesn't just have the Venamis feat, he also has his performance against the mercenaries. He showed himself quite able in hand to hand,and able to avoid most, but obviously not all, their attacks.

Kas'im or Shaak wouldn't last a second in a duel with Plagueis, lol

Originally posted by SunRazer
So what? That hardly makes him inept in the area.

No, but I doubt it's the area that's going to give him an edge over Krayt. 😬

I said they could be around even.

Originally posted by Q99
Right. No-one here is featless. Krayt is... almost the opposite of featless, having direct comparisons to known characters from half a dozen eras. Kenobi, Anakin, Cade, Abeloth, Morne. Plus some good vs groups of foes feats, like vs Vong and Imperial Knights.

Your examples include Force-based showings, which isn't relevant to my point about skill feats.

I didn't say Krayt is featless - the fact of matter is that nobody is "featless", except for fodder - hence why they're deemed such. Venamis has feats of switching between multiple forms mid-combat, continuing a duel whilst levitating in mid-air, etc. which is at least indicative of considerable skill, as well as the fact that Tenebrous personally groomed him for his entire life for the sole purpose of killing Plagueis and taking his place at Tenebrous's side.

I mean, is Venamis Shaak Ti level? Shaak Ti is a famed duelist who got high praise from sources who'd know. Kas'im level? He's got tons of praise in terms of style and skill. Ventress level? TPM Maul level? Those two were each trained to be weapons.

Well, that's precisely why there's something called reasonable inference. Plagueis has the fact that he was the one who trained Sidious, who clearly outclasses everybody you mentioned as a duelist.