Avengers in Helms Deep.

Originally posted by Newjak
Except she has engaged much more dangerous foes in melee then Legolas ever did. The Ultron bots are much more dangerous then any orc shown in the movies.

BW and Hawkeye are highly trained warriors that have engaged in long campaigns before. Heck AoU it was stated that before they took down the last Hydra base they had been fighting for sometime working their way through Hydra.

I don't think a few days of fighting will diminish them that badly.

AOU bots being more dangerous than Urukhai is questionable. After all, what exactly have the bots accomplished? What were their offensive and defensive feats? Quicksilver was able to obliterate a bot by simply punching it. I don't think he can obliterate an Urukhai in full armor.

Yeah sure BW and Hawkeye can fight for a decent period of time. For a whole day though? Till I see onscreen feats I'll have to be skeptical of that. Legolas not once ever looked tired in LOTR, didn't even sweat. Gimli for all his huffing and puffing didn't seem to have trouble keeping up.

I don't think BW or Hawkeye can get through the entire 3 movies unscathed like Legolas did. Whether they'll survive to the end is the question.

Originally posted by FrothByte
AOU bots being more dangerous than Urukhai is questionable. After all, what exactly have the bots accomplished? What were their offensive and defensive feats? Quicksilver was able to obliterate a bot by simply punching it. I don't think he can obliterate an Urukhai in full armor.

Yeah sure BW and Hawkeye can fight for a decent period of time. For a whole day though? Till I see onscreen feats I'll have to be skeptical of that. Legolas not once ever looked tired in LOTR, didn't even sweat. Gimli for all his huffing and puffing didn't seem to have trouble keeping up.

I don't think BW or Hawkeye can get through the entire 3 movies unscathed like Legolas did. Whether they'll survive to the end is the question.

The AoU bots have higher firepower, durability, flight, range, are stronger. Heck yeah the Ultron bots are more dangerous it's not even a question.

So I mean unless you're trying to tell me that BW and Hawkeye don't have the endurance of a typical soldier or other trained warrior their endurance should not be a problem for fighting for long periods of time.

Originally posted by Newjak
You're kidding me right? A super speed Quicksilver runs through full bodied metal soldiers that are bullet proof (Maria Hill tried to shoot one) and you think he couldn't hurt a flesh and blood body that is only wrapped in metal???

The AoU bots have higher firepower, durability, flight, range, are stronger. Heck yeah the Ultron bots are more dangerous it's not even a question.

So I mean unless you're trying to tell me that BW and Hawkeye don't have the endurance of a typical soldier or other trained warrior their endurance should not be a problem for fighting for long periods of time.

Legolas endurance >>>>>> typically trained warrior or soldier. No soldier on Earth can run 3 days straight without stopping. Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas simply have superhuman endurance, which BW and Hawkeye do not have. Period. Actually now that I think about it, BW and Hawkeye would have failed in that scene where they needed to run for 3 days straight. Unsure how big of an impact that would have made in the overall plot of things.

Yeah AOU bots had firepower but so did BW and Hawkeye when they fought them. They won't have firearms or trick arrows or electric bracers here, just plain old melee weapons and normal arrows.

The Ultron Legion were strong enough to tunnel up through solid rock when they broke out of the ground during the final fight. And 2 of them are strong enough to life up a loaded 18 wheeler with a full hitch. I'd say they were plenty strong/durable. And Hawkeye as well as Widow were treating them with contempt.

Originally posted by KingD19
The Ultron Legion were strong enough to tunnel up through solid rock when they broke out of the ground during the final fight. And 2 of them are strong enough to life up a loaded 18 wheeler with a full hitch. I'd say they were plenty strong/durable. And Hawkeye as well as Widow were treating them with contempt.

I don't know, they were pretty inconsistent. Sometimes they look scary and sometimes you just need to hit them a bit here and there to crumple them. I just don't see BW and Hawkeye punching and kicking the Urukhai the same way they did the ultron bots.

I do. They were also taking down Chitauri back to back. And while they were fodder, they still had impressive feats like digging into buildings after falling a few hundred feet to stop themselves, or just falling all the way and landing on the ground or crumpling cars underneath them.

And the Uruk-Hai were inconsistent as well. Some were beastly and could give Aragorn pause for a bit, but then you had all these normal soldiers destroying them. Even in Five Armies when the people of Lake Town were fighting Uruk's, they were doing surprisingly well despite being a bunch of fishermen and maybe a few poorly trained militamen aside from Bard.

Originally posted by KingD19
I do. They were also taking down Chitauri back to back. And while they were fodder, they still had impressive feats like digging into buildings after falling a few hundred feet to stop themselves, or just falling all the way and landing on the ground or crumpling cars underneath them.

And the Uruk-Hai were inconsistent as well. Some were beastly and could give Aragorn pause for a bit, but then you had all these normal soldiers destroying them. Even in Five Armies when the people of Lake Town were fighting Uruk's, they were doing surprisingly well despite being a bunch of fishermen and maybe a few poorly trained militamen aside from Bard.

Ugh, don't bring Five armies into this. Those weren't Urkhai orcs but even then, those fishermen's wives shouldn't have been able to knock out orcs by throwing rocks at them. The battle of the five armies was ridiculous, and the orcs there were almost comedic. Captain America could probably solo that army.

The Hobbit films were all pretty bad. They have their moments, but pretty much every action sequence was ridiculous and awful. Probably best to forget they existed.