Neo & Smith (Matrix Rev) vs Superman & Zod (MOS)

Originally posted by carver9
So much wrong with this post.

If Kal had the speed you're trying to give him, he should've been able to run to his dad, save him and got back in his spot before anyone even saw him. That's super speed, not flight speed. Example, Vulcan flew from Earth all the way to the Shiar empire that is located on the other side of the Galaxy in a weeks times. That thousands times the speed of light.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111435/3929432-9915638253-1.jpg.jpg

But yet he still wasn't fast enough to catch a bullet from a sniper.

http://i.imgur.com/re8au8g.jpg

Let alone see it. That's the difference between flight speed and combat speed. Ironman creates sonic booms when flying and I'm talijg about movie Ironman but no one would say he could fight and throw punches at the speed of sound. I think you all have the two confused.

2nd part. How fast was Kal Flying at Faora? Was he going his top speed and if your answer is yes, please prove it. Hell, the humans in the bar/restaurant saw the entire fight.

Uuuummmm, he did fly away from the second set of bullets and remember, the big guy got knocked through a building or a wall when he was hit by those bullets and Superman wasn't tanking them either. If he could dodge them, let alone catch them, he would have.

Kal couldn't run fast at that point.

Why dodge something that can't hurt you? Lowballing isn't helping you.

I'm not giving him combat speed equal to his flight speed. I'm saying he's above average human then most of you downplayers keep placing him at 👆 👆

Lol, I already said he wasn't going full speed. Humans see people like deadpool fight yet despite him having hypersonic speed.

He got knocked through a pole and he was back up with no signs of damage >_>

Wasn't tanking them? They weren't leaving scratches bruises or nothing. And Kal was still able to fight Zod and the World engines.

You don't dodge mosquitos. Why? Because they can't hurt you.

Again lowballing isn't helping you when he has better feats.

MOS Superman has no real superspeed reactions/reflexes, so why bring it up?

Originally posted by Silent Master
MOS Superman has no real superspeed reactions/reflexes, so why bring it up?

Faora was able to react to a flying superman.

Supes can keep up with her in combat for.a.Good amount.

Not saying his speed = combat speed but it puts him above average human level that most of y'all out him at 👆

i give strength to the MOS crew as i'm not sure if i remember any display of strength from the Matrix guys (there may be some but i don't remember lol). But everything else, fight skills, reality manip, speed, i give it to team Matrix.

In terms of speed Superman and Zod massively outstrip Neo and Smith, but by that same token Neo and Smith have a sizable edge in striking power (their clash destroyed every window in the city with a massive shockwave).

So I don't really know.

Didn't Superman overpower the gravity beam of the World Engine or whatever it was the flattened skyscrapers and shit?

Yeah, but I'm too lazy and dumb to quantify that feat.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Kal couldn't run fast at that point.

Why dodge something that can't hurt you? Lowballing isn't helping you.

I'm not giving him combat speed equal to his flight speed. I'm saying he's above average human then most of you downplayers keep placing him at 👆 👆

Lol, I already said he wasn't going full speed. Humans see people like deadpool fight yet despite him having hypersonic speed.

He got knocked through a pole and he was back up with no signs of damage >_>

Wasn't tanking them? They weren't leaving scratches bruises or nothing. And Kal was still able to fight Zod and the World engines.

You don't dodge mosquitos. Why? Because they can't hurt you.

Again lowballing isn't helping you when he has better feats.

He had his powers during that scene. The only thing he didn't have was flight.

Lol...he didn't stand there and tanked these bullets. Hell, he flew away from them and was hit by one and didn't show back up for a bit afterwards. He also screamed out in pain after being hit by said bullet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Of course he is above average human level speeds but he isn't close to Neo and Smith in reflex speeds at all. I wasn't highly impressed with his flight speed either tbh.

So how fast was he going when Faora grabbed him and please prove it. We didn't see a sonic boom or anything which we know he is more than capable of doing. Once you answer that question, prove he was going that fast.

Lol...no one said the bullet killed the guy but he most Def felt it which means he did not tank it. Superman felt it as well.

Lol...Superman didn't have a scratch on him when he fought Zod but I sure as hell don't think he tanked everything Zod threw at him either. Do you know what tank mean?

If I had Xray vision and saw musqitoes coming at me, I sure can dodge them and grab them out of the air. Mosquito bites doesn't feel great either.

Lol...I'm not lowballing, I'm trying to help you. Can Ironman fight at the speed of sound because he sure as hell broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by carver9
He had his powers during that scene. The only thing he didn't have was flight.

Lol...he didn't stand there and tanked these bullets. Hell, he flew away from them and was hit by one and didn't show back up for a bit afterwards. He also screamed out in pain after being hit by said bullet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Of course he is above average human level speeds but he isn't close to Neo and Smith in reflex speeds at all. I wasn't highly impressed with his flight speed either tbh.

So how fast was he going when Faora grabbed him and please prove it. We didn't see a sonic boom or anything which we know he is more than capable of doing. Once you answer that question, prove he was going that fast.

Lol...no one said the bullet killed the guy but he most Def felt it which means he did not tank it. Superman felt it as well.

Lol...Superman didn't have a scratch on him when he fought Zod but I sure as hell don't think he tanked everything Zod threw at him either. Do you know what tank mean?

If I had Xray vision and saw musqitoes coming at me, I sure can dodge them and grab them out of the air. Mosquito bites doesn't feel great either.

Lol...I'm not lowballing, I'm trying to help you. Can Ironman fight at the speed of sound because he sure as hell broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion.

Hahaha, this post is full of fail, bask in it carv.

Man these threads are strongly reminiscent of the old DBZ vs Sailor Moon threads on places like MovieCodec

"Goku speedblitzes Sailor Moon!"
>someone posts that scan where Usagi goes from Earth to the galactic center in seconds
"GOKU R STILL WAI TOO FAST IN COMBAT!!!"

It's... it's those threads again, ya know

Originally posted by carver9
He had his powers during that scene. The only thing he didn't have was flight.

Lol...he didn't stand there and tanked these bullets. Hell, he flew away from them and was hit by one and didn't show back up for a bit afterwards. He also screamed out in pain after being hit by said bullet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Of course he is above average human level speeds but he isn't close to Neo and Smith in reflex speeds at all. I wasn't highly impressed with his flight speed either tbh.

So how fast was he going when Faora grabbed him and please prove it. We didn't see a sonic boom or anything which we know he is more than capable of doing. Once you answer that question, prove he was going that fast.

Lol...no one said the bullet killed the guy but he most Def felt it which means he did not tank it. Superman felt it as well.

Lol...Superman didn't have a scratch on him when he fought Zod but I sure as hell don't think he tanked everything Zod threw at him either. Do you know what tank mean?

If I had Xray vision and saw musqitoes coming at me, I sure can dodge them and grab them out of the air. Mosquito bites doesn't feel great either.

Lol...I'm not lowballing, I'm trying to help you. Can Ironman fight at the speed of sound because he sure as hell broke the sound barrier on more than one occasion.

Superman didn't have superspeed at that point >_>

So he flew away from the bullets. Fail to see your point other than your attempts to lowball him with his lowest feat >_>

I.never said he was. Can you not read?

His usual take off speed should be pretty fast since at one point he flew all the way to the sky in seconds.

We literally have him at quad digit flight speed and he still didn't make sonic booms. Seriously, you are trying way to hard

Lol........ that wasn't even what I was getting to >_>. My point was that their is no sense in dodging something that literally can't hurt you. Coolio, again one of the lowest feats he has and what you and the other downplayers continue to dickride 👆 👆

Lol....... He was still moving like nothing affected him. And zod was perfectly fine until his neck was snapped. Although their attacks hurt each other neither of their punches did serious damage to them.

I legit faceplamed at that argument about the mosquitos.

Using the LOWEST feat for all his shit is lowballing. Faora actually has a feat though. Something you continue to ignore.

Go ahead and keep dickriding that one bullet scene. It's understandable since it's the only thing you have to lowball Kal 👆 👆

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Man these threads are strongly reminiscent of the old DBZ vs Sailor Moon threads on places like MovieCodec

"Goku speedblitzes Sailor Moon!"
>someone posts that scan where Usagi goes from Earth to the galactic center in seconds
"GOKU R STILL WAI TOO FAST IN COMBAT!!!"

It's... it's those threads again, ya know

KMC is in dark days indeed.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Superman didn't have superspeed at that point >_>

So he flew away from the bullets. Fail to see your point other than your attempts to lowball him with his lowest feat >_>

I.never said he was. Can you not read?

His usual take off speed should be pretty fast since at one point he flew all the way to the sky in seconds.

We literally have him at quad digit flight speed and he still didn't make sonic booms. Seriously, you are trying way to hard

Lol........ that wasn't even what I was getting to >_>. My point was that their is no sense in dodging something that literally can't hurt you. Coolio, again one of the lowest feats he has and what you and the other downplayers continue to dickride 👆 👆

Lol....... He was still moving like nothing affected him. And zod was perfectly fine until his neck was snapped. Although their attacks hurt each other neither of their punches did serious damage to them.

I legit faceplamed at that argument about the mosquitos.

Using the LOWEST feat for all his shit is lowballing. Faora actually has a feat though. Something you continue to ignore.

Go ahead and keep dickriding that one bullet scene. It's understandable since it's the only thing you have to lowball Kal 👆 👆

Carver has said before after he gets utterly destroyed in arguments that he didn't know people take these seriously, which is an admission of lying and trolling his side and others sides. He will utterly low ball any Superman feats and wank any Hulk feat like it was more then it was. He has zero ability to think rational and gets caught by PR and Bada all the time lying in the CBVF, then he whines/ass kisses to get out of bans.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Carver has said before after he gets utterly destroyed in arguments that he didn't know people take these seriously, which is an admission of lying and trolling his side and others sides. He will utterly low ball any Superman feats and wank any Hulk feat like it was more then it was. He has zero ability to think rational and gets caught by PR and Bada all the time lying in the CBVF, then he whines/ass kisses to get out of bans.

Just for reference, we're talking a guy who judges things based off flashy art style over actual feats to the point where he thinks some barely above peak human animu characters are above ****ers like Quicksilver, Flash and the Runner because the latter aren't drawn with afterimages, speed lines and blurs

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Just for reference, we're talking a guy who judges things based off flashy art style over actual feats to the point where he thinks some barely above peak human animu characters are above ****ers like Quicksilver, Flash and the Runner because the latter aren't drawn with afterimages, speed lines and blurs

Yes exactly