Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I agree with John Roberts. The decision was not constitutinally based. The real problems from this decision will surface when conservative evangelical churches lose their tax exempt status for refusing to marry gay couples.
Oh wow, you think this decision could have such far reaching positive effect?
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I agree with John Roberts. The decision was not constitutinally based. The real problems from this decision will surface when conservative evangelical churches lose their tax exempt status for refusing to marry gay couples.
Uh, Churches are never required to marry people. Like, a Rabbi doesn't have to agree to marry a Christian, a Voodoo Priest can pass on the Jewish couple, and so on.
Sometimes, like if you publicly offer space, you may have to follow business rules on renting, but you are never required to officiate.
Only government employees have to, never priests, and the fears of being forced to are entirely unfounded. Other people being able to get married is not an imposition or limitation on anyone's religious rights.
Also, there's a long history of 'what marriages are ok' rulings being within the ballpark of the supreme court. There is a supreme court justice who's married to a woman in a way that is only legal due to a supreme court decision 48 years ago *exactly* like this one!
Why did no-one raise this complaint until they lost? To put it another way, they were totally fine with the court ruling on this subject... but only if it was in their favor.
Originally posted by Wonder Man
A lot of people are jelouse of other people's happiness and fought to prevent it. Lucky we had so good a President that he would risk it all so Gay Marriage would happen.
This is insanely idiotic. Nobody was "jealous" of anyone's happiness. Liberals like to pretend that the majority of conservatives are against it (they're not, they don't care), so they can feel better about themselves and their "crusade". Who "fought" to prevent it exactly? I'm conservative and I didn't fight it, nor did any of my conservative friends. We care about much bigger issues (for us), than same sex marriage. We're happy for those that are happy now but that's it. And lets stop thanking the President for this because I'm not sure you are aware, but he's had a spectrum of different opinions on same sex marriages since 2006. Thank SCOTUS, regardless of constitutional validity.
Originally posted by psmith81992
This is insanely idiotic. Nobody was "jealous" of anyone's happiness. Liberals like to pretend that the majority of conservatives are against it (they're not, they don't care), so they can feel better about themselves and their "crusade". Who "fought" to prevent it exactly? I'm conservative and I didn't fight it, nor did any of my conservative friends. We care about much bigger issues (for us), than same sex marriage. We're happy for those that are happy now but that's it. And lets stop thanking the President for this because I'm not sure you are aware, but he's had a spectrum of different opinions on same sex marriages since 2006. Thank SCOTUS, regardless of constitutional validity.
Originally posted by psmith81992
This is insanely idiotic. Nobody was "jealous" of anyone's happiness. Liberals like to pretend that the majority of conservatives are against it (they're not, they don't care), so they can feel better about themselves and their "crusade". Who "fought" to prevent it exactly? I'm conservative and I didn't fight it, nor did any of my conservative friends. We care about much bigger issues (for us), than same sex marriage. We're happy for those that are happy now but that's it. And lets stop thanking the President for this because I'm not sure you are aware, but he's had a spectrum of different opinions on same sex marriages since 2006. Thank SCOTUS, regardless of constitutional validity.
The wide majority of opponents, were conservative, and poured large amounts of money into fighting it (proposition 8 was famously narrowly decided by a campaign fueled heavily by out-of-state money), and now the major conservative presidential candidates are in some cases accepting it, but mostly decrying it, and in some cases even proposing massive changes to the checks and balances of the branches of government to undo it.
Your friends specifically may not have- and good for them!- but the opposition to gay marriage was *within* the conservatives.
As for Obama- he appointed Supreme Court justices. One justice would've flipped the issue, and if a Republic president had been in his place, 'how they're likely to vote on the gay marriage issue' would have been the type of thing they would have been examined for.
Sure, Obama's stance has changed, starting from no comment, to pro civil union, to finally outright full gay marriage, but he very much was a supporter, and he nominated justices reasonable enough to similarly support it.
Even if it may not have been his thought at the time, his action in promoting some justices rather than who his opponent's would've picked made this possible.
Are those the marching orders from FOX News? "Pretend conservatives have never been against gay marriage!"?
Sure, Obama's stance has changed, starting from no comment, to pro civil union, to finally outright full gay marriage, but he very much was a supporter, and he nominated justices reasonable enough to similarly support it.Even if it may not have been his thought at the time, his action in promoting some justices rather than who his opponent's would've picked made this possible.
MSNBC is a left leaning news network. Fox News is a propaganda machine with no desire for journalistic integrity.
At any rate, there was heavy, active opposition to marriage equality almost completely from conservatives, and it will likely continue. Obama, while only being a small part, did support marriage equality, and it is very unlikely that the same would have happened under a conservative president.
The whole marriage equality issue is solely an issue because a large number, likely a majority, of conservatives are too petty, ignorant, malicious and selfish to accept that minorities should have rights as well.
We shouldn't whitewash history and absolve conservatives of this injustice perpetrated by them.