Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
They are already talking about taking the Jefferson memorial down and taking Alexander Hamilton of the $10..Alexander Hamilton was actually opposed to slavery and has some historic battle stories fighting side by side and leading black soldiers. Anyone who disagrees open a book.
It's John Oliver of Last Week Tonight talking about a woman being on the 10 dollar bill, and how, while it is progress, it's not particularly much, the 20 dollar bill would have been much better for many reasons, for one Hamilton actually was pretty awesome, like you said. Additionally the woman will have to share the 10 dollar bill with a man, which is sort of insulting.
Here's the full link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wytAaOyE7vo
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's John Oliver of Last Week Tonight talking about a woman being on the 10 dollar bill, and how, while it is progress, it's not particularly much, the 20 dollar bill would have been much better for many reasons, for one Hamilton actually was pretty awesome, like you said. Additionally the woman will have to share the 10 dollar bill with a man, which is sort of insulting.Here's the full link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wytAaOyE7vo
Yes they want to put the first woman leader of the Cherokee nation called Mankiller.
Obvious left move
Insulting? Hahah why are you so easily offended?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes they want to put the first woman leader of the Cherokee nation called Mankiller.Obvious left move
Insulting? Hahah why are you so easily offended?
I'm not, I'm not a woman, my gender has been extremely well represented on currency and in almost everything else of importance around the world.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You sound like you care very deeply about something that happened 100 years ago. Do you light candles every night?
You seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between words on the internet and RL. Obviously he doesn't. He's just rightly denouncing someone who condoned and practiced slavery.
Similarly, it seemed clear that Bardock wasn't personally offended.
Since everybody seems intent on banning everything they choose to call "racist" then I guess the $5 bill needs to be banned and the Lincoln Memorial should be destroyed/removed ASAP. Afterall, it was "Honest Abe" who said this:
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.-Abraham Lincoln
Now, according to what people today consider to be "racist", that sounds like a pretty damn racist statement to me. So I guess anyone caught using a $5 bill is obviously "racist". At least until that racist "Honest Abe" is taken off it, right? 🙄
Originally posted by Star428
Since everybody seems intent on banning everything they choose to call "racist" then I guess the $5 bill needs to be banned and the Lincoln Memorial should be destroyed/removed ASAP. Afterall, it was "Honest Abe" who said this:I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.-Abraham Lincoln
Now, according to what people today consider to be "racist", that sounds like a pretty damn racist statement to me. So I guess anyone caught using a $5 bill is obviously "racist". At least until that racist "Honest Abe" is taken off it, right? 🙄
Do you just not get the whole point of Abe Lincoln's life? "A first rate second-rate man", as the abolitionists called him?
The whole point is that Lincoln never went in with an anti-slavery platform, never intended to free the slaves by war, never really considered the wider moral case for true equality, but over the course of the war he changed his mind and redeemed himself into this positive figure. Still the second-rate man in terms of abolitionism if you look at the whole thing objectively, yet a hero all the same.
Same deal with Oskar Schindler. This is a man who employed Jews as slave labour because it was cheaper than paying proper wages, and plenty of people saved more Jews than him, but he was the man who redeemed his views during the war. There's a value to that.
So quoting pre-war quotes from Lincoln about slavery is a totally misleading activity. Anyway, Lincoln was also being politically expedient. Frederick Douglass always backed him as the man who would free the slaves.
Originally posted by Star428
Since everybody seems intent on banning everything they choose to call "racist" then I guess the $5 bill needs to be banned and the Lincoln Memorial should be destroyed/removed ASAP. Afterall, it was "Honest Abe" who said this:I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races-that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.-Abraham Lincoln
Now, according to what people today consider to be "racist", that sounds like a pretty damn racist statement to me. So I guess anyone caught using a $5 bill is obviously "racist". At least until that racist "Honest Abe" is taken off it, right? 🙄
Btw, if anyone was wondering, that famous quote of his was from a public debate he had with Senator Stephen Douglas. Here's much more proof that he was a racist:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/08/abe-lincoln-racist-fascist/
http://ourfoundingtruth.blogspot.com/2009/02/abraham-lincoln-racist.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/03/that_dirty_rotten_racistabraham_lincoln.html
Originally posted by Star428
Btw, if anyone was wondering, that famous quote of his was from a public debate he had with Senator Stephen Douglas. Here's much more proof that he was a racist:http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/08/abe-lincoln-racist-fascist/
http://ourfoundingtruth.blogspot.com/2009/02/abraham-lincoln-racist.html
http://www.americanthinkers.com/articles/2013/03/that_dirty_rotten_racistabraham_lincoln.html
This guy is ragging on one of the manliest men to ever live.
He was, his opinions changed to be less so, and oh yes, he lead the war that ended Slavery in the US.
Which kinda outweighs any other racism by many orders of magnitude.
Here's the thing, we don't require our heroes to be perfect. We can acknowledge they had flaws without tossing out the celebration of the good they did, especially if the good was on such a massive scale.
I mean, the Confederacy was literally a country founded on protecting slavery. The civil war put an end to a massively evil institution.
Originally posted by psmith81992This guy is ragging on one of the manliest men to ever live.
LOL. And other ignorant people are "ragging" on the Confederate flag and anything associated with it or the Old South like the movie 'Gone With the Wind' as if they all represent "racism" because of the evil actions of one very sick and racist individual. It's as if they think he speaks for the entire white population of the South. Are they really that phucking dumb?
LOL. And other ignorant people are "ragging" on the Confederate flag and anything associated with it or the Old South like the movie 'Gone With the Wind' as if they all represent "racism" because of the evil actions of one very sick and racist individual. It's as if they think he speaks for the entire white population of the South. Are they really that phucking dumb?