China and Russia Vs. USA Conventional war who wins?

Originally posted by Robtard
Those films had the Cubans and Soviets, then the N. Koreans and Russians. Entirely different animals, no comparison.

Anyhow, it is known that every real American has a gun (around 37%), so applying simple maths of US population-by-gun%, that means there would be roughly 117million guns aimed at the sky shooting down those Chinese and Russian paratroopers.

To put it in even finer perspective:

Chinese military = 4.63mil (Active/Res)
Russian military = 3.25 (Active/Res)

Gives us about 14.9 civilian guns aimed at every Chinese and Russian soldier. In short, real American people could defeat Russian and China without the help of the US military. /thread

Not true, this propaganda peice showed the soviets crushing the US from the sky, and made Americans very vigilant aganst russians with parachutes.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
You say that but America was worried about this as long ago as 1967, where they created this propaganda piece to keep people vigilant about Chinamen coming up through the ground.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061387/

Well that is just propaganda.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well that is just propaganda.

Yes, but are you saying as a nation America is easily led and paranoid about "reds under the bed" or even "under the ground"?

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Who would win this match up?

No Europeans coming to the USA's rescue.

LOL. US wouldn't need them to. US wins.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. US wouldn't need them to. US wins.

Europe will own the US soon.

All out war, China's population and resources could probably exhaust America into a stalemate which might even accomplish China's goals (recognizing dominion over the South China Sea, for instance).

A more limited war, Russia and China don't stand a chance. Russia knows this, it's why it's investing so heavily in its nuclear deterrent.

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
I think this too, better soldiers, more fighting spirit. What do others think?

China is completely untested as a conventional military. Russia's more elite soldiers (like those who took over Crimea) are probably on level with American troops, but the rest of their military, according to Russian military leaders, is still not fully modernized and so the decline in quality of training and equipment outside of that elite core is probably precipitous.

The fighting spirit comment is just silly.

The U.S doesn't even have enough ships in its navy to move our own troops and resources anymore. We have to get help from other nations to do it.

I say China beats us down. Hard.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]The U.S doesn't even have enough ships in its navy to move our own troops and resources anymore. We have to get help from other nations to do it.

I say China beats us down. Hard. [/B]

Europe has very small conventional military compared to the US too, btw. Due to the fact that they're allies with us, and we insist on taking the front, they haven't had to put nearly as much.

We spend more than everyone else combined. Our navy could beat every single other navy on the planet, it is that huge. And our economy/industrial production is also quite impressive.

Sure, we sometimes ship our soldiers via other means, but China has barely any force-projection capacity whatsoever in comparison, and Russia's is rusting and far from it's peak (and even then wasn't a match for ours).

Heck, part of the reason we sometimes encounter limits, is because we keep large amounts posted around the world in case of other wars while we're fighting a war. We keep our navy split between two oceans, but in a war, we could concentrate it. Our military spread across half the planet, which we could draw oof, and so on.

Are people not aware that we are *the* military superpower on Earth? In order to fight us, any foe would have to build their way up from a major disadvantage, and neither Russia nor China has the money to do so.

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Yes, but are you saying as a nation America is easily led and paranoid about "reds under the bed" or even "under the ground"?

Yes they were paranoid. Explains the over excessive military we have.

Originally posted by Q99
Europe has very small conventional military compared to the US too, btw. Due to the fact that they're allies with us, and we insist on taking the front, they haven't had to put nearly as much.

We spend more than everyone else combined. Our navy could beat every single other navy on the planet, it is that huge. And our economy/industrial production is also quite impressive.

Sure, we sometimes ship our soldiers via other means, but China has barely any force-projection capacity whatsoever in comparison, and Russia's is rusting and far from it's peak (and even then wasn't a match for ours).

Heck, part of the reason we sometimes encounter limits, is because we keep large amounts posted around the world in case of other wars while we're fighting a war. We keep our navy split between two oceans, but in a war, we could concentrate it. Our military spread across half the planet, which we could draw oof, and so on.

Are people not aware that we are *the* military superpower on Earth? In order to fight us, any foe would have to build their way up from a major disadvantage, and neither Russia nor China has the money to do so.

You're sounding very patriotic right now.

Not that you're wrong. Our performance in WWII proved that America can handle a naval war to the West, which is the only way for China or Russia to approach. It is just plain easier for us to break them before they break us. The only successive wars against the USA are wars where guerrilla tactics were employed en masse. Even then Vietnam benefited from the USA forces being held up by several factors outside their control, all boiling down to the war not being particularly popular stateside.

Also:

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
I think this too, better soldiers, more fighting spirit. What do others think?

Japan firmly believed that they had both in World War II. And we destroyed them. Spirit means nothing in the face of superior technology and a touch of insanity.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
[B]
You're sounding very patriotic right now.

Not that you're wrong. Our performance in WWII proved that America can handle a naval war to the West, which is the only way for China or Russia to approach. It is just plain easier for us to break them before they break us. The only successive wars against the USA are wars where guerrilla tactics were employed en masse. Even then Vietnam benefited from the USA forces being held up by several factors outside their control, all boiling down to the war not being particularly popular stateside.

I just find it silly the worries people have when we could split into three and be the three strongest militaries on Earth 🙂 A lot of people seem quite unaware of the modern balance of power.

Here's the wikipedia page on navy size

Take a look at mass- Ours is literally three times the mass of China's or Russias. Except there's more to navy power than mass, an Aircraft carrier is an incredibly dominant force, and we have 10 to their 1 each, so even pound for pound there's no contest. And... well, you get the idea 🙂

China has a good amount of numbers, but a big chunk of 'em is just PT boats. Russia, corvette's make up the lion's share, they've had to decommission a lot, and even during the Cold War couldn't exactly take on the USN.

The USA has a larger budget on its military then the other top 10 countries have combined.

I'm going with them.

just look at china's military+ Russia's combined... that's a big problem.

a fella mentioned before ( think it was robtard) who mentioned 37% of all americans carry or own a gun.

So what? just because you have access to something doesn't nessacarily mean you know how to use it, although in saying that this is war times so there goes that theory.
the americans simply don't have the resources to take on 2 combined superpowers.

loving how this is ' conventional' warfare, honestly if this would go down it wouldn't be conventional, china and Russia would most likely have a bombing campaign into most populated areas and so on for the americans against the chinese and Russians.

what is America's anti missile technology like?

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Yes Obama needs Europe more than ever now to protect the U.S.

Especially warrior nations like the U.K. and Germany.

Warrior Nations like Germany?

😐

Yes Germany. When those Bratwurst and Beer lovers go to war it takes the rest of the world to stop them.

Japan takes out the Chinese navy from the start and uses it's superior air forcr to tie up China's. As the Chinese realise taking down the US means they have to knock out Japan first, China makes vain attempts at sea and airborne invasions, where their already defeated navy and air force is ineffective.

Russia is a different beast.

You also have to take in the country's current leadership at the time to. And if we use the CURRENT Leadership of this country. Hell were getting out asses kicked by ISIS and Al-Queda. No way could we handle either Russia or China.

U.S. has the best military bar none. China/Russia together would massively out gun us. We couldn't win that war alone. It would probably end up nuclear.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]You also have to take in the country's current leadership at the time to. And if we use the CURRENT Leadership of this country. Hell were getting out asses kicked by ISIS and Al-Queda. No way could we handle either Russia or China. [/B]

You can't compare ISIS/Al-Queda/Guerilla Terrorist Groups because the United States hasn't actually engaged them in conventional warfare. Neither the Russian or Chinese militaries operate anything like either groups.

In a conventional battle, any decent military would squash ISIS/Al-Qaeda.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
U.S. has the best military bar none. China/Russia together would massively out gun us. We couldn't win that war alone. It would probably end up nuclear.

Best Military. Yes.

Best leadership. OHHHH HELLLL NO!!!!!!!

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
You can't compare ISIS/Al-Queda/Guerilla Terrorist Groups because the United States hasn't actually engaged them in conventional warfare. Neither the Russian or Chinese militaries operate anything like either groups.

In a conventional battle, any decent military would squash ISIS/Al-Qaeda.

True but like I said. This goes back to an issue of LEADERSHIP.

And with the leaders we have now. We couldn't beat em.

Cause they wouldn't let our military do their job.

China and Russia wouldn't have that problem.