Khan Noonien Singh vs. Obi Wan Kenobi (Attack of the Clones)

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Kenobi is also far stronger. At 1 hr 55 min into RotS, kenobi matched anakin in a test of strength when they grabbed each others wrists and neither was able to over power the other.

In AoTc at 19min 12sec Anakin jumps from the speeder kenobi is flying. He then proceeds to fall face down, in a free fall position, reaching near terminal velocity until he lands on the bounty hunters speeder, grabbing it and hanging on 15sec later at 19min 27. This strength/durability feat for Anakin is far beyond anything khan has shown. Kenobi on the other hand matched Anakin in a test of pure strength putting him solidly above khan as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity

The part relevent to my post is pasted below.

Based on wind resistance, for example, the terminal velocity of a skydiver_in a belly-to-earth (i.e., face down_free-fall_position is about 195_km/h_(122_mph_or 54_m/s).[2]_This velocity is the asymptotic_limiting value of the acceleration process, because the effective forces on the body balance each other more and more closely as the terminal velocity is approached. In this example, a speed of 50% of terminal velocity is reached after only about 3 seconds, while it takes 8 seconds to reach 90%, 15 seconds to reach 99% and so on.

Originally posted by Raptor22
he doesnt need combat speed to dodge and run from blaster fire, sprinting speed will do fine. Maybe he could even use that speed to close the gap. Does khan have any feats of percieving/shooting people moving as fast as kenobi in TPM?
Kenobi has never used the speed in this manner. If he could use the speed in this manner you'd need an example outside the fact he ran from destroyer droids who lack the feats, skills, accuracy, and firepower of Khan.

heres a relevant example of Kenobi vs. a skilled gun wielding opponent.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM

Jango Fett vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi

1. 15 seconds in around 6 shots in before Jango uses his jet pack to create more distance. Jango's only has one gun that is both less powerful than Khan's laser cannon and fires slower than Khan's other laser rifle. I will later prove this claim with video evidence. Stay tuned.
2. 51 seconds in we see Jango lose his gun.
54 to 1:07 seconds in we see them fight hand to hand without their primary weapons and see how they fare against one another.
1:08 we see Obi not able to use his powers to end the fight but to retrieve his weapon due to needing it.
It is painfully obvious Obi relies on his powers and doesn't have an advantage hand to hand. Obi is reacting as quickly as he can to the threat Jango poses with the skills and abilities he brings to this fight that vastly differ from a Sith or Jedi opponent. This makes it more relevant to this comparison than a Jedi vs. a Sith. Keep in mind we see both combatants lose their weapons thus resulting in an up close encounter. Jango also lacks Khan's skilled hand to hand combat, strength/feats, and his superior weaponry.

Originally posted by Raptor22
which movie was cad bane in? Or was he not in the movies but were now using feats from other sources? Is Wrath of Khan fair game?
Jango was in the film and unlike Wrath of Khan the Clone Wars is canon to Kenobi. Wrath of Khan isn't canon to Into Darkness Khan since their experiences are different aka alternate timeline.

It's like using Kingdom Come Superman for New Earth Superman interchangeably. Alternate realities means completely different characters. I don't expect you to understand since you're not familiar with common sense.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi has never used the speed in this manner. If he could use the speed in this manner you'd need an example outside the fact he ran from destroyer droids who lack the feats, skills, accuracy, and firepower of Khan.

heres a relevant example of Kenobi vs. a skilled gun wielding opponent.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM

[B]Jango Fett vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi

1. 15 seconds in around 6 shots in before Jango uses his jet pack to create more distance. Jango's only has one gun that is both less powerful than Khan's laser cannon and fires slower than Khan's other laser rifle. I will later prove this claim with video evidence. Stay tuned.
2. 51 seconds in we see Jango lose his gun.
54 to 1:07 seconds in we see them fight hand to hand without their primary weapons and see how they fare against one another.
1:08 we see Obi not able to use his powers to end the fight but to retrieve his weapon due to needing it.
It is painfully obvious Obi relies on his powers and doesn't have an advantage hand to hand. Obi is reacting as quickly as he can to the threat Jango poses with the skills and abilities he brings to this fight that vastly differ from a Sith or Jedi opponent. This makes it more relevant to this battlezone than a Jedi vs. a Sith. Keep in mind we see both combatants lose their weapons thus resulting in an up close encounter. Jango also lacks Khan's skilled hand to hand combat, strength/feats, and his superior weaponry. [/B]

sorry but the fight he showed the speed in TPM is just as relevant as ur example, and since both fighters perform to the best of their abilities his speed is fair game. And since he was using that speed to avoid lasers blasts, which is what khan will be shooting at him it seems fairly relevant

Superior weaponry? Fetts jet pack, rocket launcher, and the ship mounted laser cannons fired by bobba dont seem inferior. Not to mention jangos armor helps in a hand to hand fight.

Also just because he lost his saber in that fight doesnt mean hes going to lose it here and have to throw down hand to hand like u seem to be implying.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jango was in the film and unlike Wrath of Khan the Clone Wars is canon to Kenobi. Wrath of Khan isn't canon to Into Darkness Khan since their experiences are different aka alternate timeline.

It's like using Kingdom Come Superman for New Earth Superman interchangeably. Alternate realities means completely different characters. I don't expect you to understand since you're not familiar with common sense.

so ur just going to go full retard on me right out of the gate? ok.

what does any of ur nonsense above have to do with u mentioning cad bane, a character kenobi fought in the tv show, in a vs match, in the MOVIE vs forum, with the stipulation in the opening post stating MOVIE versions only.

Quan- "cad bane beat this chump"

me- "which movie was cad bane in?"

Quan- "Jango was dur dur dur"

me- Quan ur a moron

Originally posted by Raptor22
sorry but the fight he showed the speed in TPM is just as relevant as ur example, and since both fighters perform to the best of their abilities his speed is fair game. And since he was using that speed to avoid lasers blasts, which is what khan will be shooting at him it seems fairly relevant

Superior weaponry? Fetts jet pack, rocket launcher, and the ship mounted laser cannons fired by bobba dont seem inferior. Not to mention jangos armor helps in a hand to hand fight.

Also just because he lost his saber in that fight doesnt mean hes going to lose it here and have to throw down hand to hand like u seem to be implying.

No, you're taking the feat out of context and applying that speed and tactics in a manner never before seen possible by any Jedi. In TPM they ran away from a fight. He can run away from the fight to forfeit the matchup. That's exactly what they did.

Now when Kenobi was fighting and blocking saber blasts I already provided the relevant link. His armor slows him down and can't stop a lightsaber so very irrelevant. Kenobi's kicks didn't seem to hurt Anakin in ROTS so the armor is a real waste. Khan's Boolean gun and his phaser rifle are both more powerful and fire at a more rapid rate of discharge than Jango's blasters. Fett's weaponry didn't even damage the ground where it hit. Khan's weaponry took down ships when this overrated crap didn't even leave a damage in the ground.

It does mean that a powerful blasts even aimed in his direction would force him backward thus losing his saber. He was unable to get the saber back and despite your over exaggerated coordination/strength feat Khan is far stronger than Kenobi. Fett showed he was also a match for Kenobi whose strength is rather pedestrian but his athleticism can be enhanced by the force. So can Yoda's but that doesn't mean Yoda is some powerhouse by some far reaching fanboyism.

If this fight went hand to hand Khan would crush his skull.

What do u mean im using it in a way never before used by a jedi. He already used it in the exact manner im saying he will use it here. to avoid blaster bolts. Seem pretty cut and dry to me. Just because they ran away on a ship, when faced with a stalemate, with an unknown number of reinforcements coming, so they could continue their mission and report what happened doesn't mean he has to run away and self bfr here. Kenobi already showed he can run, perceive his surroundings, and react at those speeds, evidence by them running left down a corridor then appearing nigh instantly behind them means they would have had to turn right twice, perceiving and reacting to the turns. Making it fairly easy to run circles, literally and figuratively around the much slower khan.

The first sentence of ur next paragraph makes no sense, i think u went full retard again. As for the rest, maybe obi wans kicks did little damage because anakin is durable enough to take a 15 sec fall from a speeder land on another and be completely fine afterwards. the damage to the ground comparison is completly moot since u dont know what the ground of either the klingon planet or the kamino platform are made of or their durability. And taking out a ship with a blaster would be alot more impressive if kirk didnt take one out with a freaking fire hose tied to an empty gun.

A powerful blast aimed in his direction doesnt guarantee him losing his saber, far from it. Since the amount of blasts hes faced and not lost it dwarfs the time he has.

How is the strength feat exaggerated? I mean besides it being superior to anything khans physically done and u not wanting to count it.

How is fetts strength pedestrian? He has no physical feats outside of fighting kenobi, and almost matching kenobi who matched anakin is hardly pedestrian.

Anakins grip is strong enough to grab and hold onto to a speeder after falling for 15 sec, and he couldnt crush kenobis wrist or soft throat while trying his hardest. Lol at khan crushing his much harder skull with his comparatively weak girly hands/grip.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so ur just going to go full retard on me right out of the gate? ok.

what does any of ur nonsense above have to do with u mentioning cad bane, a character kenobi fought in the tv show, in a vs match, in the MOVIE vs forum, with the stipulation in the opening post stating MOVIE versions only.

Quan- "cad bane beat this chump"

me- "which movie was cad bane in?"

Quan- "Jango was dur dur dur"

me- Quan ur a moron

So you want to insult me instead of rebutting my clear and consistent points.

Star Trek TV show is fair game so why wouldn't a Star Wars TV show not be considered fair game ? It's canon but I also provided a highly relevant example of Fett vs. Kenobi.

If you can't keep up with continuity then seek help against me, boy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to insult me instead of rebutting my clear and consistent points.

Star Trek TV show is fair game so why wouldn't a Star Wars TV show not be considered fair game ? It's canon but I also provided a highly relevant example of Fett vs. Kenobi.

If you can't keep up with continuity then seek help against me, boy.

i didnt necessarily want to insult u but since u opened the personal door earlier, i figured id step thru with u.

Lol why isnt the show fair game? R u serious? Ill answer, even though i said it before, but this time im going to space the words out so u can hopefully read them slowly and maybe understand.

The thread starter stipulated in his opening post "movie feats only"

If u still dont get it i might have to ask carthage if he maybe can edit his opening post to make it simpler, maybe with smaller words so everyone can understand.

Damn it. I spaced the words out for u, but when i posted it, it condensed. Hopefully u can still figure it out.

Originally posted by Raptor22
What do u mean im using it in a way never before used by a jedi. He already used it in the exact manner im saying he will use it here. to avoid blaster bolts. Seem pretty cut and dry to me. Just because they ran away on a ship, when faced with a stalemate, with an unknown number of reinforcements coming, so they could continue their mission and report what happened doesn't mean he has to run away and self bfr here. Kenobi already showed he can run, perceive his surroundings, and react at those speeds, evidence by them running left down a corridor then appearing nigh instantly behind them means they would have had to turn right twice, perceiving and reacting to the turns. Making it fairly easy to run circles, literally and figuratively around the much slower khan.

The first sentence of ur next paragraph makes no sense, i think u went full retard again. As for the rest, maybe obi wans kicks did little damage because anakin is durable enough to take a 15 sec fall from a speeder land on another and be completely fine afterwards. the damage to the ground comparison is completly moot since u dont know what the ground of either the klingon planet or the kamino platform are made of or their durability. And taking out a ship with a blaster would be alot more impressive if kirk didnt take one out with a freaking fire hose tied to an empty gun.

A powerful blast aimed in his direction doesnt guarantee him losing his saber, far from it. Since the amount of blasts hes faced and not lost it dwarfs the time he has.

How is the strength feat exaggerated? I mean besides it being superior to anything khans physically done and u not wanting to count it.

How is fetts strength pedestrian? He has no physical feats outside of fighting kenobi, and almost matching kenobi who matched anakin is hardly pedestrian.

Anakins grip is strong enough to grab and hold onto to a speeder after falling for 15 sec, and he couldnt crush kenobis wrist or soft throat while trying his hardest. Lol at khan crushing his much harder skull with his comparatively weak girly hands/grip.

Ok, I already explained why running away from a fight isn't relevant as running towards a fight which I supported with an in movie example against an opponent with a similar skill set to Khan. Look at it this way. They sprinted at max speed. Can a boxer sprint in the ring and react at these speeds ? Of course not. Man, am I really exceptional how I break this down to you lessers. You're making up a scenario in which we've never seen this play in this manner ever. That's what fanboys do; twist things into scripted never before seen feats.

You are definitely some sock who won't directly engage me but whatever, loser. Anakin was ko'd by Dooku's Lightning which is far less powerful than Sheev's. There are plenty of unknowns but Anakin and Obi have human bodies. We see that despite the weak kick it didn't harm him at all. Khan was so durable a person could wail on him with them tiring first. That's called durability. It exaggerating the Jedi because you're a fanboy. Everything is unknown when it comes to the alien materials or structures but we can easily tell by way if feats that Khan's Boolean gun is far more powerful.

That disabled a much smaller ship but the gun itself used had no effect on that different ship. The metal structure that was ripped out of the wall by the ships movement was something. But like I said the phaser blasts themselves had no effect on a smaller ship completely different than the Klingon ships.

The blast from the Boolean gun is wider and more powerful than the blaster fire the light sabers are accustomed to blocking.

It isn't relevant to combat strength. It's a coordination force feat which didn't help him out against Anakin a human being just like himself. Kenobi also looked rather pathetic against Fett as well. Khah crushes skulls, bro.

You're exaggerating. Plenty have fought Kenobi in the canon clone wars series. You want to pretend everyone is super strong which isn't the case. Kenobi showed his leg hurt when he kicked grievous. His strength was only human level but able to be force amped on occasion.

Thats because these two Jedi aren't impressive when it comes to physicality just highly skilled in saber fighting and somewhat capable with blasters. There is no proof his skull is denser just more ridiculous connecting of the fanboy dots. Khan crushes his skull. That feat blows weak Kenobi out of the water.

R u really as dense as ur acting. Show me where i said he would fight at that speed. Show anywhere that i said he would do anything but run away from the blasts or use it to close the gap.

when he does close the gap however, he would use his saber to dismember him. Since he's, how did u put it? Oh ya "highly skilled in saber fighting" and khan has no up close mele weapons he wont last long. Thankfully khan doesn't have a rocket launcher for an AoE attack or a son to shoot his ships lasers to disarm kenobi and help keep him from his saber.

Ur next line of reasoning is sheer genius tho. Because Anakin was only ko'd by lightning (after he got his arm cut off, which u left out) somehow means they have human bodies/durability. priceless. Never stop being u quan.

We might be able to determine which is more powerful if u provjded better than my guys gun blasted more of a material with unknown durability than your guys gun did to a different material of equally unknown durability, but i like my guy more so his is better.

Well its a good thing he wont be blocking it and will be evading its fire instead.

Im not sure what feat ur referring to when u say its not a combat strength feat. Some frame of reference would help.

To ur insistent lowballing with clone wars feats ill simply respond with-

Movie feats only #fullretard

Though kenobi has much better force, saber, speed, and strength feats in TCW. If its fair game i dont mind.

Oh and im no sock. Not sure why u would say that. But if u feel the need to compare me to footwear im less a sock and more akin to a boot kicking ur ass.

Originally posted by Raptor22
R u really as dense as ur acting. Show me where i said he would fight at that speed. Show anywhere that i said he would do anything but run away from the blasts or use it to close the gap.

when he does close the gap however, he would use his saber to dismember him. Since he's, how did u put it? Oh ya "highly skilled in saber fighting" and khan has no up close mele weapons he wont last long. Thankfully khan doesn't have a rocket launcher for an AoE attack or a son to shoot his ships lasers to disarm kenobi and help keep him from his saber.

Ur next line of reasoning is sheer genius tho. Because Anakin was only ko'd by lightning (after he got his arm cut off, which u left out) somehow means they have human bodies/durability. priceless. Never stop being u quan.

We might be able to determine which is more powerful if u provjded better than my guys gun blasted more of a material with unknown durability than your guys gun did to a different material of equally unknown durability, but i like my guy more so his is better.

Well its a good thing he wont be blocking it and will be evading its fire instead.

Im not sure what feat ur referring to when u say its not a combat strength feat. Some frame of reference would help.

To ur insistent lowballing with clone wars feats ill simply respond with-

Movie feats only #fullretard

Though kenobi has much better force, saber, speed, and strength feats in TCW. If its fair game i dont mind.

Oh and im no sock. Not sure why u would say that. But if u feel the need to compare me to footwear im less a sock and more akin to a boot kicking ur ass.

So you concede he can't fight at this speed. I'm exceptional. I already gave you an example of how quickly he can press someone shooting at him aka the Jango Fett clip. It wasn't anywhere near as fast as his sprint away from battle with a peer speed. Quit ignoring my valid canon example with your made up delusional, fanboy wet dream.

Khah has superior weapons so why would he want to downgrade. I know he doesn't need the weapons to take out the weaker Kenobi but let's argue in character. Kenobi has been disarmed a lot. The force of Fett's weapons doesn't seem as powerful as Khan's Boolean gun or does Fett's blaster seem to fire anywhere near at a successive rate than the phaser rifle.

Ok, let's talk about the force Lightning prior to the ko. At the beginning of the fight Anakin charged in like the moron that he is and was harmed and out of the fight for a few minutes from weak Dooku force Lightning. The much more powerful force Lightning hit Luke for a much longer time frame and he walked away from it like a headache just went away.

They are human beings, genius. 😂
Khan is the guy genetically proven to be superior to human beings not Kenobi. Kenobi's powers latch onto the force but he isn't a superhuman on his own and has to actively tap into the force in order to do so.

Based off what ? We see he couldn't evade Jango's initial blasts and that he needed to block the blasts. Khan has greater combat feats as well against far more opponents than Jango to boot. 🙂

The rule has been amended. Look in the rules where canon Star Trek feats from the show are included so why wouldn't Star Wars also apply here, dummy.

Kenobi has also been downright humiliated by other bounty hunters and his portrayal is worse in the series overall than it is in the films so let's do it, nerd.

You're a loser sock. 😂

I want proof a saber can't block Khan Boolean gun. You made the claim over various threads and have not once proved that case. Not even close to proving it. Either provide the evidence or concede that is just your opinion

Further, Kenobi is simply above Khan in pretty much all areas. He brings things to the table Khan would've never experienced. Khan doesn't bring anything to the table Kenobi hasn't experienced. He's going to fire his weapons really fast!!!! Oh no, Kenobi has never seen this before!!! Derp... Oh wait, he has a storied history dealing with just that. Khan on the other hand, has ZERO experienced dealing with a force user. Game over

Lastly, what do you mean Khan's weapons are superior... Jango took out a huge beast with one shot. Khan's weapons didn't show that kinda damage output considering what he's fired at and what happened to them.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I want proof a saber can't block Khan Boolean gun. You made the claim over various threads and have not once proved that case. Not even close to proving it. Either provide the evidence or concede that is just your opinion

Further, Kenobi is simply above Khan in pretty much all areas. He brings things to the table Khan would've never experienced. Khan doesn't bring anything to the table Kenobi hasn't experienced. He's going to fire his weapons really fast!!!! Oh no, Kenobi has never seen this before!!! Derp... Oh wait, he has a storied history dealing with just that. Khan on the other hand, has ZERO experienced dealing with a force user. Game over

Lastly, what do you mean Khan's weapons are superior... Jango took out a huge beast with one shot. Khan's weapons didn't show that kinda damage output considering what he's fired at and what happened to them.

There simply is no evidence the lightsabers can deflect something as wide and as powerful as the Boolean gun. It'd be like you saying prove it can't block the Death Star as ridiculous as it sounds the evidence doesn't support it can block anything just what it has blocked.

Kenobi went down to Cad Bane. His hand speed was greater than Kenobi's. Khan's feats and weaponry is too much for Kenobi. Since when has he ever blocked or deflected something capable of downing a Klingon ship with a single shot.

Khan takes down ships bit smaller, fleshy beasts. You're unbelievably stupid and an overall unlikeable, annoying person soon to be beat up by TI.

Cad bane beating Obi wan was due to luck. Cad bane had been disarmed twice by kenobi and knocked around way more times than kenobi.

Why would i concede to something that i never said or argued. ive told u this several times already and if u cant figure out my stance on the subject by know then u r right about one thing, u r exceptional. Exceptionaly simple minded. Or is it that ur so sad of a man it gets u off to get a concession from someone wether its baseless or not? honestly r u really that pathetic that u need that small gratification to feel good about yourself. but hey i like helping those beneath me so ill throw u a bone. sure ill concede that kenobi wont fight in a made up way that i never said he would. ill even conced that water is wet and fire is hot if it makes u feel better. i hope that helps and gives u the ego boost to at least get u thru the week. if not, pm me later in the week and ill toss u concessions to the fact that dogs bark and cats meow.

u can keep clinging to ur Jango example. The fact is kenobi has shown he can run that fast, and has used that speed to evade blaster firing foes just like he will be facing here. By all means continue with ur but, but, but he didnt run that fast against Jango, it changes nothing. He can and will here.

its nothing more than your opinion that khans gun is more powerful than fetts rocket launcher. lets stick to facts. thae fact that it has a faster rate of fire is moot. it would only be a factor if i was arguing that kenobi would block said blasts. What u have to prove is that khans first shot will clear the distance between him and kenobi, which im assuming to be the standard .5 km, faster than the droidekas blasts reached him from their relativley short distance from eachother. if u cant prove that khans blast is not only faster but so much faster that it can clear a much larger space and reach kenobi in less time than the droidekas then im afraid kenobis speed will be too much for poor slow khan. the follow up blasts will be just as useless since khan has no feats of percieving things as fast as kenobi can run.

not sure what ur really arguing here. is it that luke in RotJ is more powerful than anakin in AotC, so was able to handle lightning better. well duh. or r u really trying to imply that anakin is weak because he got shocked by freaking lightning and was only kod? or is it that dookus lighhning is weak because it only kod a powerful jedi who can survive falls at terminal velocity unscathed? either way u really have no point.

ya they"re humans. but fortunatly for kenobi hes a fictional charcter in a fictional world and there for doesnt have to adhere to our real world limits of human durability. and wether naturaly or by enhancing his stats thru the force, which he can at will, hes certainly superhuman.

based off what. lol are u serious? based off him doing just that in the first 5 min of TPM. have u even seen these movies?

Damn ur slow. For the third or fourth time, they wouldnt apply here because the thread starter specified in his opening post that ONLY MOVIE FEATS are to be valid for this thread. i guess its my fault for not spacing the words out to make it easier for u earlier. my bad.

ill happily include TCW feats, if there are no objections from the thread starter , and if u now concede to how stupid and willfully ignorant you"ve been as to why they wouldnt/havent been allowed in this specific thread thus far.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Cad bane beating Obi wan was due to luck. Cad bane had been disarmed twice by kenobi and knocked around way more times than kenobi.
That is your perspective but you can't prove it. Bane did defeat him. Kenobi was disarmed of one of his sabers against Bane. Kenobi was also disarmed by Fett. 😂

Originally posted by Raptor22
Why would i concede to something that i never said or argued. ive told u this several times already and if u cant figure out my stance on the subject by know then u r right about one thing, u r exceptional. Exceptionaly simple minded. Or is it that ur so sad of a man it gets u off to get a concession from someone wether its baseless or not? honestly r u really that pathetic that u need that small gratification to feel good about yourself. but hey i like helping those beneath me so ill throw u a bone. sure ill concede that kenobi wont fight in a made up way that i never said he would. ill even conced that water is wet and fire is hot if it makes u feel better. i hope that helps and gives u the ego boost to at least get u thru the week. if not, pm me later in the week and ill toss u concessions to the fact that dogs bark and cats meow.

u can keep clinging to ur Jango example. The fact is kenobi has shown he can run that fast, and has used that speed to evade blaster firing foes just like he will be facing here. By all means continue with ur but, but, but he didnt run that fast against Jango, it changes nothing. He can and will here.

its nothing more than your opinion that khans gun is more powerful than fetts rocket launcher. lets stick to facts. thae fact that it has a faster rate of fire is moot. it would only be a factor if i was arguing that kenobi would block said blasts. What u have to prove is that khans first shot will clear the distance between him and kenobi, which im assuming to be the standard .5 km, faster than the droidekas blasts reached him from their relativley short distance from eachother. if u cant prove that khans blast is not only faster but so much faster that it can clear a much larger space and reach kenobi in less time than the droidekas then im afraid kenobis speed will be too much for poor slow khan. the follow up blasts will be just as useless since khan has no feats of percieving things as fast as kenobi can run.

not sure what ur really arguing here. is it that luke in RotJ is more powerful than anakin in AotC, so was able to handle lightning better. well duh. or r u really trying to imply that anakin is weak because he got shocked by freaking lightning and was only kod? or is it that dookus lighhning is weak because it only kod a powerful jedi who can survive falls at terminal velocity unscathed? either way u really have no point.

ya they"re humans. but fortunatly for kenobi hes a fictional charcter in a fictional world and there for doesnt have to adhere to our real world limits of human durability. and wether naturaly or by enhancing his stats thru the force, which he can at will, hes certainly superhuman.

based off what. lol are u serious? based off him doing just that in the first 5 min of TPM. have u even seen these movies?

Damn ur slow. For the third or fourth time, they wouldnt apply here because the thread starter specified in his opening post that ONLY MOVIE FEATS are to be valid for this thread. i guess its my fault for not spacing the words out to make it easier for u earlier. my bad.

ill happily include TCW feats, if there are no objections from the thread starter , and if u now concede to how stupid and willfully ignorant you"ve been as to why they wouldnt/havent been allowed in this specific thread thus far.


So we agree that what you said was complete and utter nonsense. He doesn't fight at that speed. He only fled at that speed one time which represents less than 1 percent of his showings. Calling someone else exceptionally simple minded while saying u over and over again. You're a perfect imbecile. Or should I have said, "U're," so you can understand it.

He ran from a fight. If he runs away from a fight or leaves the area he loses. Period. The Jango Fett example if exactly how the Jedi take on the bounty hunters. You trying to use one example that he avoided a fight while ignoring an example of how fast he reacted during a fight is desperation.

Here is a canon example of Kenobi with a Jedi ally on foot against one bounty hunter. Not only does Kenobi need help but Bane perceives him just fine and actually proves to be quicker koing Kenobi.

27 seconds in Cad ties up Vos while he's just running away on foot firing his blasters.
42 seconds in the rock pillar holding up Obi is gunned down. Obi needs time to recover while Vos now continues the pursuit of two on one. 52 seconds in after a droid helps distract him Bane kicks him off while Obi now continues the pursuit. Two on one so it really shouldn't matter since its two on one anyways to even out the unfair advantages. 1:01 in is the first time we see Bane use his flight boots. 1:23 in after Bane disarms Obi and his second light saber they fight one on one. Bane doesn't have the training with a laser sword yet he isn't decimated despite Obi's specialized training. 1:27 in after Obi disarms his saber Bane then quickly acts and electrocutes him out. He showed he was more than quick enough to fight at the jedis strength up close and personal and come out victorious.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoSayqv1TVI

Look at how many blasts Bane gets off as well as Fett in the clone film. Both are examples that Kenobi doesn't sprint at an opponent during a fight. Khan's guns are also quicker proving he gets off more shots as well as more powerful. There is no proof the lightsaber can deflect the Boolean gun.

Being more powerful doesn't mean he's more durable. Durability and power aren't the same thing. Anakin is flat out terrible when it comes to durability against similar Jedi. The other was a coordination and force amped feat that has nothing to do with strength. Yoda isn't strong but can clip all over the place with the force but on his own he can barely walk with a cane. Dooku's Lightning is weaker than Palpatine's and neither Lightning has killed anyone based off the force alone. Khan's gun leaves people in stumps of flesh while Sheev's Lightning leaves smoke behind. People can survive over ten second durations meant to kill by the more powerful Sheev thus proving the force Lightning Dooku uses is absolute garbage power wise.

He has superhuman skill but not superhuman durability. The force can't make him tank blasters hitting his body. Khan tanked 8 stun phaser blasts thus proving the guy is an enhanced superhuman. His cellular regeneration was a main point of the film and his blood in the proper settings can bring people back to life and heal incurable diseases.

Ok, if you want to ignore canon clone wars because you're a coward then so be it. It's obvious the thread starter doesn't believe canon Kenobi can win here. 😂

I like to argue canon vs. canon but I'll withdraw my Bane statements if the threadstarter admits he restricted the clone wars due to give Kenobi a better chance because he needs all the fanboyism and help he can get.

Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is your perspective but you can't prove it. Bane did defeat him. Kenobi was disarmed of one of his sabers against Bane. Kenobi was also disarmed by Fett. 😂

So my perspective is proven fact now. It's easy to prove he won due to,luck. Fett and bane two different people. Kenobi disarmed bane twice. 😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So my perspective is proven fact now. It's easy to prove he won due to,luck. Fett and bane two different people. Kenobi disarmed bane twice. 😂
No, it isn't. He won due to skill.

Both at characters who have disarmed Kenobi. He gets disarmed a lot. Khan wins.