Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Maybe mauls injury didn't need medical care due them not being serious enough for them 😂 Vader lost all his organic limbs, his force potential, his ability to breath without the suit, a lot of living tissue and a few other things. Maul lost his lower half. Vaders we're worse and he was able to live without medical care for a suitable amount of time while amul really just got cut in half which is bad but it's child's play compared to getting burned that bad the way vader did.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Which is why he wasn't a Jedi Knight yet Genius!

So now he was an idiot for betraying Sheev? 😬

Yes, he was all over the map. He should have betrayed Sheev well before that moment for torturing his son.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being cut in half and falling hundreds of feet will kill anyone. Losing limbs and being burned won't. 😂

Considering vader not only lost his limbs, his burns caused his breathing to become almost impossible and lost his force potential as well. Maul just lost his lower half. Also comparing vader and maul to to regular humans it's not really a fair comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have an excuse every time why it doesn't count.
You're a fanboy.

You mean I put things in their correct context. There's a difference.

And who exactly am I a fanboy of? Anakin? LOL

Anakin has proven his genius above the like of Kenobi and other Jedi throughout TCW. Try watching it.

Start with how he defeated Military Genius Admiral Trench at his own game.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lucas uses the words overpower and overcome when describing Mace beating Palps. Both are pretty damn clear. You cannot escape the reality of Mace beat Sids. He did, and Yoda didn't.

He overcame him in the Saber fight. But so did Yoda (according to the script). So I don't see how Mace fought better. At most you can say he fought equally as well as Yoda, but only in the Saber fight, and only due to a clash of fighting styles, like you like to point out.

Then when it comes to the Force Lightning vs Saber, that's a bit of a dodgy comparison, because Lucas confirms Sidious stopped trying because he was faking weakness and faking losing power. Plus now in the new Canon we know he had a 2nd Saber, so he was faking being helpless in more way than 1.

Then that opens up other doors, like if Mace didn't come with 3 Jedi Masters at the beginning of the fight, then Sidious could have began the fight using his Force Powers (like he did against both Yoda and the Maul brothers). And then we have what looks like a very different fight, one where Sidious will definitely seem like the superior one.

So there's really nothing to say Windu fought better against Sidious than Yoda. Only that the Odds were more on Sidious's side against Yoda due to being able to unleash his Full Force Powers on him, much better than he could against Windu, due to 2 reasons:

1) The environment they fought in.
2) Yoda not having any aid at the beginning of the fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, the circumstances don't have to be the same and you're better than this DP. maybe arguing with Quan has got you to same things you know not to be true. IF every fight in comics needed the same environment to compare... we'd have nothing to compare. We could always say.. well he didn't fight him on a popsicle... thus him beating him was different... Ummm Yeah but WHO CARES. Just like somebody not using a power doesn't mean they weren't trying. Even the rules specify that doesn't mean he's not trying. Everybody is trying to win unless stated otherwise. So no, you can't say Palps could've done this or should've done this and since he didn't he wasn't trying. No, doesn't work that way and you know it

Come on man, you should know better. Circumstantial and Environmental Context is everything. You yourself say "Styles make fights." Surely you must then see that Circumstantial and Environmental Contexts will effect different fighting styles in completely different ways.

In fact TCW consistently proves this:

Why is it that one time, Kenobi and Ventress together are outmatched by Maul and Opress, then another time Maul and Kenobi fight equally, then in the same episode Kenobi fights off and arguably defeas Maul and Opress together?

Why is it one time Kenobi solidly defeats Ventress, then another time gets KO'd by her quite quickly?

Why is it that Grievous can defeat Kenobi sometimes?

Why is it Dooku fights off equally against Anakin and Kenobi once, then another time really struggles and barely bests a far inferior duo- Ventress and Opress?

It's all to do with Environmental and Circumstantial Contexts. As well as the state of mind of each individual in every fight.

Who has the higher ground?

Originally posted by Bentley
Who has the higher ground?

Ah funny... But yes the ultimate proof itself from the movie that Environment and Context determines fights in Star Wars.

Also for those who say there's clearly nothing to debate about the ending of the Sidious/Mace fight this is from the Official Star Wars website:

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-starwars-com-10-best-fights

@ 0:50-

"As Darth Sidious takes on one of the Jedi's best. The ending continues to be debated. Windu seems to have Sidious beaten, but was it all part of a bigger plan? Either way it doesn't end well for Mace."

^ As you can see it doesn't say if Palpatine was faking his End-Defeat or not. But it makes it clear it's up for debate.

Same video, Yoda vs Sidious:

@ 2:24

" The Battle of the Ultimate Masters featuring Furious Lightsaber combat And Awesome display of Force wizadry. It's a metting between arguably the 2 Most Powerful Beings in the Galaxy. And while Yoda holds his own he fails to defeat the Sith Lord."

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Considering vader not only lost his limbs, his burns caused his breathing to become almost impossible and lost his force potential as well. Maul just lost his lower half. Also comparing vader and maul to to regular humans it's not really a fair comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one can survive being cut in half and falling hundred of feet. People can survive losing limbs and being breathing assisted, dummy.

Actually they can given medical treatment. Are you seriously trying to comapare sustained by force sensitives to normal humans? That's your mistake from start you idiot. You can't compare begins with superhuman physical traits to normal humans. 😂 Also common sense says Vader. Losing all of your limbs and being burned to the bone to the point your breathing can't work and it hurts to move, vs losing your lower half and falling an unknown amount of feet. I would rather get cut in half any day rather than that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually they can given medical treatment. Are you seriously trying to comapare sustained by force sensitives to normal humans? That's your mistake from start you idiot. You can't compare begins with superhuman physical traits to normal humans. 😂 Also common sense says Vader. Losing all of your limbs and being burned to the bone to the point your breathing can't work and it hurts to move, vs losing your lower half and falling an unknown amount of feet. I would rather get cut in half any day rather than that.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Being cut in half and falling hundreds of feet can't be survived. People can survive vaders wounds and they aren't even superhuman.

😂

It actually can depending on where you fall. It's medical attention anyone can survive almost anything. So with that cancer would be more dangerous than either one of these injuries.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It actually can depending on where you fall. It's medical attention anyone can survive almost anything. So with that cancer would be more dangerous than either one of these injuries.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one can survive being cut in half and falling hundreds of feet. Quit being stupid.

So you're saying that if you get cut in half then fall on let's say hundreds of feet of soft pillows reinforced with a trampoline then recover immediate medical attention they couldn't survive.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you're saying that if you get cut in half then fall on let's say hundreds of feet of soft pillows reinforced with a trampoline then recover immediate medical attention they couldn't survive.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't fall on pillows. Quit trying to pretend he did. You are dumb. Cut yourself in half and fall on pillows. Let me know if you survive.

I actually most likely could given immediate medical help since all my organs all the vital ones are in my upper body.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I actually most likely could given immediate medical help since all my organs all the vital ones are in my upper body.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then do it and send video as proof. No, you couldn't.

Why would self inure myself. How about you get someone to cut all your limbs off then burn you alive to the point you can't breath without a mechanical suit let's see how you come out.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Why would self inure myself. How about you get someone to cut all your limbs off then burn you alive to the point you can't breath without a mechanical suit let's see how you come out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
People can and have lived without limbs and burned. No one can live by being cut in half and falling hundreds of feet. 😉

Really Star Wars did it wrong. Once a limb gets cut off you start bleeding out of that limb. So really both would ahve died if it were realistic but Anakins were worse. Atkins major organs were severely injured while mauls were pretty much still intact. 😉

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Really Star Wars did it wrong. Once a limb gets cut off you start bleeding out of that limb. So really both would ahve died if it were realistic but Anakins were worse. Atkins major organs were severely injured while mauls were pretty much still intact. 😉