Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He can't beat them so who cares. He knew he was at a tactical disadvantage and still jumped showing he's a moron.
Keno I beat him due to a tactical advantage. Anakin was a 9. Facts do matter that's why Anakin being a nine shows he can compete with Sidious and yoda. The stunt man worked with the lightsaber said and discussed it with the creator than put it in a commentary. So really fact more than opinion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't beat them so who cares. He knew he was at a tactical disadvantage and still jumped showing he's a moron.
Well actually we don't know since they have never fought and since he's on their level he could pick up at least one. Concession accepted. That's mental or tactical issue not a skill issue.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't beat them so who cares. He knew he was at a tactical disadvantage and still jumped showing he's a moron.
Jedi Knight Anakin wasn't such a moron. Having just barely converted to a Sith made him stupidly arrogant. OT Vader also wasn't stupid. Anakin/Vader is very intelligent and has shown his tactical genius on numerous occasions.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah.It's not as simple as that. If they fought in the exact same environment, and began the fight in the exact same way, then you'd be right.
But their fights took place completely differently.
Mace is not the superior threat to Sidious. Yoda is. That's why the novel specifically points out that Yoda is the greatest threat the darkness has ever known. Not Mace.
That's why everyone working on the making of ROTS knew that Mace was No.2 to Yoda. That's why Kenobi and Palpatine both know it and say it as well.
No where is Mace stated as being superior to Yoda in any way whatsoever. Not even against Powerful Dark Siders. Vapaad helps, but not to the extent where it makes him a greater threat than Yoda.
We've gone over this before buddy... Styles make fights in real life and in comics. Some people are just made to beat other people. That doesn't make them as powerful or better against most. However, against certain people they are. For example, Julio C. Chavez was a better all time fighter than Oscar. However, Oscar with his size and reach gave Whitaker a tougher fight than Chavez did. Yet we know Chavez is the better all time fighter.
Same thing here... Mace BEAT Sids, and Yoda didn't. It's that simple. We can go on and on about different environment this and that... but that is mostly irrelevant. So is you believing sids used more powers against yoda than Mace. We don't view fights in the context of... oh he can do this... he didn't in this fight.. thus he wasn't trying. Doesn't work that way and forum rules state it doesn't work that way. This is the reality... While I believe Yoda is more powerful than Mace... Mace is as good or slightly, ever so slightly inferior. It can be no other way. I personally believe him to be his equal in sabers. Lets' say he isn't though and he's a little less. Well Vaapad makes up that difference and then some against a DS. That is the nature of the style. WE can't discount that because you believe yoda is more powerful. He is, but that doesn't make him better against every style. Just like Kenobi's style doesn't do well against Dooku.. yet he does better against Maul or Anakin. Styles make fights, and we've been over this.
Mace won, plain and simple. You believing Yoda would do better in different circumstances is conjecture, not proof. Yoda had opportunity (even more time) and didn't get it done. Mace did.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe was a moron in aotc as well. Quit making excuses. Ot Vader was up against inferior rebels and dint face off against any competent Jedi in their peaks save Luke who easily owned him. Vader was an idiot and turned against Sheev. 😂
Jedi Knight Anakin wasn't such a moron. Having just barely converted to a Sith made him stupidly arrogant. OT Vader also wasn't stupid. Anakin/Vader is very intelligent and has shown his tactical genius on numerous occasions.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't see any bones. People can survive his injuries with medical care. Name one person who survived being cut in half and fell hundreds of feet without medical care.🙂
Maybe mauls injury didn't need medical care due them not being serious enough for them 😂 Vader lost all his organic limbs, his force potential, his ability to breath without the suit, a lot of living tissue and a few other things. Maul lost his lower half. Vaders we're worse and he was able to live without medical care for a suitable amount of time while amul really just got cut in half which is bad but it's child's play compared to getting burned that bad the way vader did.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
We've gone over this before buddy... Styles make fights in real life and in comics. Some people are just made to beat other people. That doesn't make them as powerful or better against most. However, against certain people they are. For example, Julio C. Chavez was a better all time fighter than Oscar. However, Oscar with his size and reach gave Whitaker a tougher fight than Chavez did. Yet we know Chavez is the better all time fighter.
Difference is those guys all fight in the same environment, and all under the same rules, so you simply can not compare that situation to the way Mace and Yoda both fought Sidious.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Same thing here... Mace BEAT Sids, and Yoda didn't.
Firstly Lucas never claimed Mace BEAT Sidious. He said Mace Overpowered Sidious. There's a difference.
If you read the script by Lucas (which compliments the film, and doesn't contradict it) Yoda also Overpowered Sidious in the Saber fight, which is why Sids lost his Saber.
Difference then is Sidious seemd to have made Yoda back off with his Force Powers, and later outright disarmed Yoda of his Saber with his Force Powers.
Now when it comes to Force Powers, don't give me that fighting styles Bull, because it won't matter.
Yoda is simply more Powerful than Mace in the Force.
Sidious is simply more Powerful than Mace in the Force.
The only difference between Mace disarming Sidious, and Yoda disarming Sidious is the environment those disarmings happened in, and the position Sidious was in in those environments.
So let's not pretend Environment and Context doesn't make a difference.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's that simple. We can go on and on about different environment this and that... but that is mostly irrelevant.
Try telling that to any Army General, or anyone whose fought in a War and they'll put you straight right away.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Difference is those guys all fight in the same environment, and all under the same rules, so you simply can not compare that situation to the way Mace and Yoda both fought Sidious.Firstly Lucas never claimed Mace BEAT Sidious. He said Mace Overpowered Sidious. There's a difference.
If you read the script by Lucas (which compliments the film, and doesn't contradict it) Yoda also Overpowered Sidious in the Saber fight, which is why Sids lost his Saber.
Difference then is Sidious seemd to have made Yoda back off with his Force Powers, and later outright disarmed Yoda of his Saber with his Force Powers.
Now when it comes to Force Powers, don't give me that fighting styles Bull, because it won't matter.
Yoda is simply more Powerful than Mace in the Force.
Sidious is simply more Powerful than Mace in the Force.
The only difference between Mace disarming Sidious, and Yoda disarming Sidious is the environment those disarmings happened in, and the position Sidious was in in those environments.
So let's not pretend Environment and Context doesn't make a difference.
Try telling that to any Army General, or anyone whose fought in a War and they'll put you straight right away.
Lucas uses the words overpower and overcome when describing Mace beating Palps. Both are pretty damn clear. You cannot escape the reality of Mace beat Sids. He did, and Yoda didn't.
No, the circumstances don't have to be the same and you're better than this DP. maybe arguing with Quan has got you to same things you know not to be true. IF every fight in comics needed the same environment to compare... we'd have nothing to compare. We could always say.. well he didn't fight him on a popsicle... thus him beating him was different... Ummm Yeah but WHO CARES. Just like somebody not using a power doesn't mean they weren't trying. Even the rules specify that doesn't mean he's not trying. Everybody is trying to win unless stated otherwise. So no, you can't say Palps could've done this or should've done this and since he didn't he wasn't trying. No, doesn't work that way and you know it