Anakin Skywalker (ROTS) vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a fact that is you speculating. A fact is Anakin winning.

Obi was mad at Maul and he force pushed him. Anakin was mad at Obi and lost. Quit making up excuses to cover up the fact Dooku got butt****ed.

Vader did not and even said so.

😂

How is it speculation? Please enlighten me.

Obi isn't meant to get mad as shown by his style. It's the most passive style. Aankin would have won. He beat Dooku when he was enraged. Obi wan is below Dooku so logically he would beat Obi wan. Anakin is above Obi wan as a duelist as stated by the stunt coordinator of ROTS. He states that Anakin is a 9 and Obi wan is an 8. Enough said.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How is it speculation? Please enlighten me.

Obi isn't meant to get mad as shown by his style. It's the most passive style. Aankin would have won. He beat Dooku when he was enraged. Obi wan is below Dooku so logically he would beat Obi wan. Anakin is above Obi wan as a duelist as stated by the stunt coordinator of ROTS. He states that Anakin is a 9 and Obi wan is an 8. Enough said.

So now getting mad doesn't count there. 😂

Obi won despite Anakin being mad. Angry Anakin crushed Dooku yet lost to Obi. Cry more about the facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are speculating as to something that hasn't occurred. Facts are something you can prove aka something that has occurred. Anakin won.

So now getting mad doesn't count there. 😂

Obi won despite Anakin being mad. Angry Anakin crushed Dooku yet lost to Obi. Cry more about the facts.

It doesn't need to happen for it to be fact. For instance Luke Skywalker beating Darth Krayt. That has never happened but we know it's fact that Luke would win. Facts are thing that can be proven and this can be proven. We never saw yoda beat windu but we know he would based on facts.

He's a soresu practioner. Notice the difference when he fought maul in TPM and when he fought him again in TCW. He did much better actually pressuring maul and cutting his blade in half. However when he fought hi again and got angry he did terrible. Losing focus and concentration. When he fought maul in the beggining as an Ataru practioner a very aggressive style

The facts are Aankin is better than Obi wan as stated by the stunt coordinator of the movie. Argue all you want but at the end of the day facts>>>>>>>>you. 💃 I win.

Anakin only lost to Obi-Wan because he was arrogant in thinking he could make that jump. He should've just acknowledged the fact that Obi-Wan had a superior position and then left. Obi-wan would've went after him anyway. Anakin could've then taken the fight to ground of his choosing. But, his emotions got the better of him and he wasn't thinking clearly. Obi-Wan had an obvious experience edge but Anakin was more powerful. I think their skill levels were about even.

In sabers Obi wan himself acknowledged that Anakin was better than him. This is further proved by the stunt coordinator of ROTS who places Anakin at a 9 and kenobi an 8

Originally posted by Kotor3
Do you know who many Sith Lords in canon the title of deadliest Sith has been given to.

One of the Deadliest of all time, by TPM is more impressive than being one of the Deadliest of all time 10,000 years prior to TPM.

Also I think you're confusing Canon to Legends. This is a Movie Versus forum. Only Disney Canon is Canon to the movies.

Originally posted by Kotor3
As for 99% of Jedi and Sith being under him is as laughable as it gets.

There were 10,000 Jedi Knights in the PT era. And the only Jedi and Sith above him were Yoda, Sidious, Mace, Dooku and Anakin/Vader. (He's about on par with Kenobi). That's 5 Jedi and Sith. So 5/10,000 * 100% = 0.05% of Jedi in the PT and OT era who were above Maul.

Add in all time and it might make it all the way to 1%.

Originally posted by Kotor3
When it comes to the top dogs who the has Maul beaten? If you are comparing Maul to the top Siths of all time then you are definitely joking. You know he might make # 10. 🙄

He's consistently stalemated Kenobi. He's beaten Grievous, and he's mega stomped Opress. Opress eats Jedi Council Members for breakfast.

Both Kenobi and Maul are Jedi/Sith top dogs in the all time bracket. Maul is actually canonically confirmed to be so. IN the old and new Canon no less.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Maul was retreating throughout the hold fight because he could not hold his ground against two of them.

That's false speculation. TPM Novel confirms Maul was moving the fight away voluntarily to wherever he desired. It also confirms Maul not only held his own against both Jedi simultaneously, but was probably superior to both of them together.

Did Palpatine ever plan to ditch Maul? Or did he just roll with the changes after he was defeated and he met Anakin?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We could see the shields closing off and yet Qui pursued him alone which means he made a tactical error. Watch the damn clip, fanboy.

Maul beat them both and was later called a rival by Palpatine. Maul crushes the guy Obi hacked apart and warned prior to.

He survived. Quit crying about the facts, fanboy.

I am happy to tell you again that you are wrong. You can't prove one statement of yours as usually that is why you keep repeating yourself.

If you knew anything about fighting you would know that Qui gon was fully focus on Maul who was fighting for his life. Qui gon was sight seeing. The expression on their faces clearly shows they were unaware of the shields.

You lose again. Keep repeating yourself fanboy.

Originally posted by Kotor3
The only one crying is you. Here is your points. Maul won, Maul beat both of them .Great argument.

I am happy to tell you again that you are wrong. You can't prove one statement of yours as usually that is why you keep repeating yourself.

If you knew anything about fighting you would know that Qui gon was fully focus on Maul who was fighting for his life. Qui gon was sight seeing. The expression on their faces clearly shows they were unaware of the shields.

You lose again. Keep repeating yourself fanboy.

Facts are on my side. Move cited numerous ones while you continue to cite nothing relevant. You're embarrassing yourself as a Star Wars fan.

No, they were both engaged. You saying otherwise without proof is baseless. Your arguments usually always are full of baseless speculation you can't prove.

You've been roasted on this on all fronts. When you say something you need to back it up. Someone Palpatine called a rival isn't trash or someone he chose as his apprentice. You say silly things and are a hater.

Maul was awesome and cutting him in half wasn't enough to kill him, sport. 💃

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It doesn't need to happen for it to be fact. For instance Luke Skywalker beating Darth Krayt. That has never happened but we know it's fact that Luke would win. Facts are thing that can be proven and this can be proven. We never saw yoda beat windu but we know he would based on facts.

He's a soresu practioner. Notice the difference when he fought maul in TPM and when he fought him again in TCW. He did much better actually pressuring maul and cutting his blade in half. However when he fought hi again and got angry he did terrible. Losing focus and concentration. When he fought maul in the beggining as an Ataru practioner a very aggressive style

The facts are Aankin is better than Obi wan as stated by the stunt coordinator of the movie. Argue all you want but at the end of the day facts>>>>>>>>you. 💃 I win.

Obi won. Films speak louder than anyone's opinion. Anakijnwas better IMO as well but he lost to Obi. Fact. Don't argue with them.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
One of the Deadliest of all time, by TPM is more impressive than being one of the Deadliest of all time 10,000 years prior to TPM.
Also I think you're confusing Canon to Legends. This is a Movie Versus forum. Only Disney Canon is Canon to the movies.
There were 10,000 Jedi Knights in the PT era. And the only Jedi and Sith above him were Yoda, Sidious, Mace, Dooku and Anakin/Vader. (He's about on par with Kenobi). That's 5 Jedi and Sith. So 5/10,000 * 100% = 0.05% of Jedi in the PT and OT era who were above Maul.
Add in all time and it might make it all the way to 1%.
He's consistently stalemated Kenobi. He's beaten Grievous, and he's mega stomped Opress. Opress eats Jedi Council Members for breakfast.

But going with your point about the PT era, Maul is below all the tops dogs. I do not agree with him being on par with Obi wan whose prime is ROTS an period where Maul never fought Obi wan.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Both Kenobi and Maul are Jedi/Sith top dogs in the all time bracket. Maul is actually canonically confirmed to be so. IN the old and new Canon no less.
That's false speculation. TPM Novel confirms Maul was moving the fight away voluntarily to wherever he desired. It also confirms Maul not only held his own against both Jedi simultaneously, but was probably superior to both of them together.

As for false speculation, you are incorrect. Movies are the highest form of cannon. In the movies Maul was clearly backup. Qui gon hits him in the face and starts an attack that Maul is not able to recover from until the shield stops the attack.

What Obi wan did in ROTS in his fight with Anakin is give ground and use strategy. Maul did nothing remotely close to what Obi wan did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, he did. Your arguments are he's trash despite him beating them both. You're emotionally off here.

Facts are on my side. Move cited numerous ones while you continue to cite nothing relevant. You're embarrassing yourself as a Star Wars fan.

No, they were both engaged. You saying otherwise without proof is baseless. Your arguments usually always are full of baseless speculation you can't prove.

You've been roasted on this on all fronts. When you say something you need to back it up. Someone Palpatine called a rival isn't trash or someone he chose as his apprentice. You say silly things and are a hater.

Maul was awesome and cutting him in half wasn't enough to kill him, sport. 💃

Try again.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Translation, I have no answer and can't prove anything.
You prove so much with this statement.

Try again.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Did Palpatine ever plan to ditch Maul? Or did he just roll with the changes after he was defeated and he met Anakin?

He rolled with the changes, but Dooku and Maul were both apprenticed to him at the same time. So he was clearly undecided. Or just seeing which one of them proves more worthy.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not agree with him being on par with Obi wan whose prime is ROTS an period where Maul never fought Obi wan.

Neither did Obi-Wan fight Maul in his prime which was by SOD. Maul was continually getting stronger through TCW after being out of action for 10+years.

They're peers. Really no point in arguing that one way or the other.

Originally posted by Kotor3
As for false speculation, you are incorrect. Movies are the highest form of cannon. In the movies Maul was clearly backup. Qui gon hits him in the face and starts an attack that Maul is not able to recover from until the shield stops the attack.

That's your speculative view of the fight. I can speculate that Maul only moved back voluntarily. Remember Kenobi kept backing away from Skywalker but won the fight. Combatants aren't always forced to back off, sometimes that's just the best way to handle their opponents.

The films are the highest canon, but when things come down to speculation, the novels provide the proper interpretation. Because only the scripts or novelizations can tell us what was going on in a combatant's mind during a fight. The films don't tell us that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul skillfully bested both in the film and later went on to prove himself to be Kenobi's superior in the clone wars. The only one who stopped Maul was Palpatine who called him a rival. You spouting your ridiculous opinion while refusing to address my points is a concession. Happily accepted, kid.

Originally posted by Kotor3
What points did you make? I already prove that Maul did not skillfully best both of them in the film. You choose to ignore facts and state lies such as Maul knew where he was taking Qui Gon. How did he prove himself Kenobi's superior during the clone wars? Which also is not Obi wan's prime.

He proved to be superior to him on multiple occasions. You always have excuses why Obi failed to beat him skillfully.

Maul beat Qui very shortly after they were alone. That speaks for itself. You arguing otherwise is trolling and through the ways of bias aka skewing facts and creating a false perceptions.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Neither did Obi-Wan fight Maul in his prime which was by SOD. Maul was continually getting stronger through TCW after being out of action for 10+years.

They're peers. Really no point in arguing that one way or the other.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
That's your speculative view of the fight. I can speculate that Maul only moved back voluntarily. Remember Kenobi kept backing away from Skywalker but won the fight. Combatants aren't always forced to back off, sometimes that's just the best way to handle their opponents.
The films are the highest canon, but when things come down to speculation, the novels provide the proper interpretation. Because only the scripts or novelizations can tell us what was going on in a combatant's mind during a fight. The films don't tell us that.

Obi wan during his fight with Anakin was force back but also constantly and willingly gave ground. He is shown throughout their fight observing the environment whereas hot and conflicted Anakin was not. Maul did the same at the start of his fight he was observing and moving around looking for better ground, however he no longer had a chance to do so once Qui gon knock him down and start attacking.

I really don’t see how this is hard to agree with.

I agree with you statement about the novels. However when they outright conflict with what is shown within the movie the original script then it is invalid. In ROTS novel it complements the fight between Anakin and Dooku. In the movies we see Dooku get overpowered. The novel complements that scene and lets us know why.

Whether Maul was there superior or not, the statement you provided from the TPM novel does not complement the fact that Maul was force back by the attacks of Qui gon and allowed time to recover because of the shields.

Truthfully, I remember many people coming out of the movies wondering how Qui gon lost to Maul.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You did not prove you speculated through bias while avoiding the end result. Maul didn't get lucky against either he skillfully bested both but chose to taunt Kenobi rather than finish him off.

He proved to be superior to him on multiple occasions. You always have excuses why Obi failed to beat him skillfully.

Maul beat Qui very shortly after they were alone. That speaks for itself. You arguing otherwise is trolling and through the ways of bias aka skewing facts and creating a false perceptions.

Your only answer is that Maul bested two of them. Well, I say he didn't. In fact the movie shows he didn't. That is why they provided the shields so that poor Maul could have some much needed one on one time.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Blah, blah, quanchi112 with your whining.

Your only answer is that Maul bested two of them. Well, I say he didn't. In fact the movie shows he didn't. That is why they provided the shields so that poor Maul could have some much needed one on one time.

The shields were there but they split up the advantage of two on one. Qui is the one who mediated. Maul showed no fatigue and watched on with murderous intent. Maul finishes him after the shields open rather quickly. Maul also took on two opponents while Qui just had one opponent thus meaning Maul had to do double the work for the most part yet Qui fell.

Your inability to address the points is rather sad on your end. Maul prevailed and rather easily one on one. 😂