Originally posted by Juk3n
Maul dispatched Qui-Gon and was manhandling both Qui and young Obi. It's hard to guage Dooku vs Qui-Gon. Im sure Dooks wouldn't have been able to pull of force chokes or force pushes against QGJ or Maul, though Obi-Wan has always been suseptable to force powers used by darksiders, its a strike against Anakins force power that he wasn't able to do what others have done so easily, use force powers on obi.Id say Maul wins. In Force use and Sabre Skill. Juyo is beast and Anakin isn't a master at this point.
Maul beats Qui-Gon + Young Obi, Maul can use force powers vs Obi, Dooku can use force powers vs Obi, Anakin can't use force powers vs Obi.
WUT?? I think you're a little confused here... Dooku > Maul in the TK, and honestly it's not all that close. The Dooku Anakin beat is better than Maul. It's really that simple.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, he isn't. Maul has pretty solid tk feats in the clone wars series while wounded and on the run.
WUT?? I think you're a little confused here... Dooku > Maul in the TK, and honestly it's not all that close. The Dooku Anakin beat is better than Maul. It's really that simple.
Maul is also quicker than Dooku. Dooku was downright pathetic against Anakin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul had him beaten. He also beat him again in the clone wars series.Obi sure beat Anakin. Anakin ever disarmed him and lost despite Obi saying please don't make me thrash you. Poor Anny.
I know you're not familiar with combat or combat situations having never been in a fight in your life. A wet paper bag would win against you. Point is, just because is in a advantageous position doesn't mean they won. We see this COUNTLESS times in MMA and Boxing. A fighter could look like they are done... out on their fight... mounted in a street fight getting pounded... and yet still come back to win. We literally see this over and over again. Maul didn't win, in fact this is truly what happened.
Maul got disarmed by Obi in DIRECT saber combat.
Maul was getting pushed back.. had his saber cut in two.. and resulted in a force push to a padawan obi which ended up disarming him. He couldn't get the job done with his saber though.
Then while LOOKING DIRECTLY AT OBI, who was without his sword, was UNABLE to react to Obi flying over his head and turning him into a pint sized midget. Regardless if eh was gloating... he was looking DIRECTLY at him and was unable to react or counter a padawan in a horrible position. Pitiful
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who gives a phuck, Maul wins this, he handled two jedi's better then Dooku did.
The Logic of Time strikes again
So maul beat a superior team eh?
We have Maul actually LOSING one v one to a padawan and beating a Jedi master
We have maul beating a JEDI KNIGHT Kenobi and a Padawan Anakin in AOTC. Last I checked... beating two people is greater than being turned into a pint sized midget Then Dooku goes on to dual with Yoda and survive. Something Maul would be unable to do.
Then we have Dooku fighting a MASTER in Obi and a Jedi Knight (who should've been on the council and a master considering his skills) . He defeats MASTER Kenobi and then falls to Anakin. However, that Anakin is better than Qui Gon.
The reality is that Dooku has CLEARLY superior on screen feats.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
By a cheap attack.So no.
His saber skills were above anyone on screen to date.
A cheap attack? Sometimes you astounded me.
He had Obi in a HORRIBLE position... hanging on for dear life... no weapon... lower ground.. and YET Maul was UNABLE to react to Obi flying in the air WHILE LOOKING DIREDLTY AT HIM.. calling for his sword and turning him into a pint sized midget. Yet, somehow to you that is cheap attack from Obi lol
By your logic... Somebody could have another on the ground.. standing over them with a knife.. and the person on the ground kicks them and you'd go. DAMN what a cheapshot LOL. Jesus. Stop talking Star Was you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did think that was funn. Board Walker definitely asked for it as did abhilegend who melted down in his own battlezone he begged for.
What was the issue. I just saw the posts afterwards talking about the bans etc etc. I never saw the posts though. Why was Abi so upset? What happened? I even heard Darth got upset
Originally posted by quanchi112I guess you feel if you say concede enough it will become believable. I'm glad you conceded that the shields gave Maul the much needed advantage that he needed. I glad you concede that Maul and Qui gon were not aware of them until Maul was back into them.
So you concede.The shields were there but they split up the advantage of two on one. Qui is the one who mediated. Maul showed no fatigue and watched on with murderous intent. Maul finishes him after the shields open rather quickly. Maul also took on two opponents while Qui just had one opponent thus meaning Maul had to do double the work for the most part yet Qui fell.
Your inability to address the points is rather sad on your end. Maul prevailed and rather easily one on one. 😂
Thanks for conceding to my points.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiMauk taunted him and skillfully disarmed him. He lost due to not pressing his advantage. We've seen he still gets the better of Kenobi in clone wars.
I know you're not familiar with combat or combat situations having never been in a fight in your life. A wet paper bag would win against you. Point is, just because is in a advantageous position doesn't mean they won. We see this COUNTLESS times in MMA and Boxing. A fighter could look like they are done... out on their fight... mounted in a street fight getting pounded... and yet still come back to win. We literally see this over and over again. Maul didn't win, in fact this is truly what happened.Maul got disarmed by Obi in DIRECT saber combat.
Maul was getting pushed back.. had his saber cut in two.. and resulted in a force push to a padawan obi which ended up disarming him. He couldn't get the job done with his saber though.
Then while LOOKING DIRECTLY AT OBI, who was without his sword, was UNABLE to react to Obi flying over his head and turning him into a pint sized midget. Regardless if eh was gloating... he was looking DIRECTLY at him and was unable to react or counter a padawan in a horrible position. Pitiful
No, Obi took out the dual edged part but he didn't disarm him of his lightsaber. Facts they always mock you, boy.
Maul lived in despite this. He isn't dead and has been portrayed as Kenobi's better. He also killed his ex right in front of him. Kenobi passed out after that. What a weakling.
He was surprised at the maneuver. I see nothing wrong with that since Yoda himself was caught off guard by a two second attack he was warned about.
Maul>Kenobi.
Originally posted by Kotor3No, I disagree. You can't back your claim. You also ignore the fact they had a two on one advantage. Once it was one on one Maul defeated him rather quickly. Back your claim next time because at this point you're just trolling.
I guess you feel if you say concede enough it will become believable. I'm glad you conceded that the shields gave Maul the much needed advantage that he needed. I glad you concede that Maul and Qui gon were not aware of them until Maul was back into them.Thanks for conceding to my points.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then it isn't a fact since it never occurred. It's quite simple. He lost in tpm. Maul is always better than him. Maul has always been greater than Kenobi.Obi won. Films speak louder than anyone's opinion. Anakijnwas better IMO as well but he lost to Obi. Fact. Don't argue with them.
It doesn't need to happen for it to be fact. The fact is it never happened however that doesn't make it true. Aayla secura vs count Dooku. It's fact that Dooku would win but they have never fought. It's quite simple to understand. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it isn't true. Maul being better is speculation/debatable as both have had their moments of winning against one another and kenobi has the better feats.
So? He won so what? This guy is the stunt coordinator of the duels and he has said that Anakin is better than kenobi. Fact? This is not his opinion this is the fact that he places as the stunt coordinator. This is what I mean by you ignore circumstance and situation. If AnaKin would have never jumped, the duel would have been indecisive or kenobi would have ran after Anakin. Kenobi himself admits that Anakin is better. So try all you want the fact is Anakin is better. So you concede that I'm right that Anakin is better. It doesn't matter who won that fight it doesn't make Obi better than Anakin.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Yes, it does. There is strong evidence Dooku wins but when something doesn't occur it is simply not a fact. The words you mean to say is just because something hasn't happened doesn't make it extremely likely to occur.
It doesn't need to happen for it to be fact. The fact is it never happened however that doesn't make it true. Aayla secura vs count Dooku. It's fact that Dooku would win but they have never fought. It's quite simple to understand. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it isn't true. Maul being better is speculation/debatable as both have had their moments of winning against one another and kenobi has the better feats.So? He won so what? This guy is the stunt coordinator of the duels and he has said that Anakin is better than kenobi. Fact? This is not his opinion this is the fact that he places as the stunt coordinator. This is what I mean by you ignore circumstance and situation. If AnaKin would have never jumped, the duel would have been indecisive or kenobi would have ran after Anakin. Kenobi himself admits that Anakin is better. So try all you want the fact is Anakin is better. So you concede that I'm right that Anakin is better. It doesn't matter who won that fight it doesn't make Obi better than Anakin.
The films >>stunt guys opinion. Anakin did jump so it's a fact. Saying if he didn't jump is ignoring the fact he did. Anakin is superior that's what makes his loss even more pathetic.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. There is strong evidence Dooku wins but when something doesn't occur it is simply not a fact. The words you mean to say is just because something hasn't happened doesn't make it extremely likely to occur.The films >>stunt guys opinion. Anakin did jump so it's a fact. Saying if he didn't jump is ignoring the fact he did. Anakin is superior that's what makes his loss even more pathetic.
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The fact that it never happened not the fact that it can happen. No I said what I meant. Just because it never happened doesn't mean it can't. For instance Dooku vs Aayla Secura. Dooku stomps her 10/10. Yet they have never fought. So the fact is they never fought, but it's fact Dooku would win.
The films don't show who is better. They show an angry not thinking Anakin jump which is what ends the battle. This stunt guy his words are fact not his opinion. Then Obi wan himself goes on to admit that Anakin is better. Aankin beat Dooku, that alone puts him above Kenobi. Exactly so by Anakin jumping he didn't lose to kenobi by superior skill he lost because he was arrogant. If he is the stunt coordinator for the actual films how are the films greater than him when he helps make the films? He works with the actors and the sword work so he decides what scale they are own and he puts Anakin above Oni wan. That's all that ends this.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2It is a possibility but the fact it never occurred means it isn't a fact. You won't ever get it. 😂
The fact that it never happened not the fact that it can happen. No I said what I meant. Just because it never happened doesn't mean it can't. For instance Dooku vs Aayla Secura. Dooku stomps her 10/10. Yet they have never fought. So the fact is they never fought, but it's fact Dooku would win.The films don't show who is better. They show an angry not thinking Anakin jump which is what ends the battle. This stunt guy his words are fact not his opinion. Then Obi wan himself goes on to admit that Anakin is better. Aankin beat Dooku, that alone puts him above Kenobi. Exactly so by Anakin jumping he didn't lose to kenobi by superior skill he lost because he was arrogant. If he is the stunt coordinator for the actual films how are the films greater than him when he helps make the films? He works with the actors and the sword work so he decides what scale they are own and he puts Anakin above Oni wan. That's all that ends this.
They show Anakin lost. That is his opinion but what the films show is a fact. You don't understand simple words. You're a terrible debater.
Kenobi is inferior but he still won which is a fact. Awful for Anakin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is a possibility but the fact it never occurred means it isn't a fact. You won't ever get it. 😂They show Anakin lost. That is his opinion but what the films show is a fact. You don't understand simple words. You're a terrible debater.
Kenobi is inferior but he still won which is a fact. Awful for Anakin.
No you won't ever get it. It's fact that Dooku can beat her due to the evidence presented. It doesn't need to happen in order for it to happen. A giant has never stomped a human in real life but we know a giant could if they existed. We know Dooku can beat Aayla secura due to having better feats and more experience. It never happened. You see it doesn't need to happen in order for it to be fact.
Not due to inferior skill. Him losing, with the way he did shows it's irrelevant due to him losing because he was stupid. No that's the facts. He is the stunt coordinator so yes what he says about their levels of skill would be fact or at the very least a very reliable estimation. With tha Anakin is better than Obi wan. He only lost due to not thinking.
Not due to superior skill. This is what I mean by when you don't look at context of circumstance. Learn how to debate better.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mauk taunted him and skillfully disarmed him. He lost due to not pressing his advantage. We've seen he still gets the better of Kenobi in clone wars.No, Obi took out the dual edged part but he didn't disarm him of his lightsaber. Facts they always mock you, boy.
Maul lived in despite this. He isn't dead and has been portrayed as Kenobi's better. He also killed his ex right in front of him. Kenobi passed out after that. What a weakling.
He was surprised at the maneuver. I see nothing wrong with that since Yoda himself was caught off guard by a two second attack he was warned about.
Maul>Kenobi.
You believing that is why he lost isn't evidence. Nobody cares about your opinion or speculation. People have continued pounding people on the ground (PRESSING their advantage) and still lost. Pressing the advantage doesn't mean they would've won. Your speculation is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Kenobi TURNED maul into a pint sized midget. He did so, when Maul was unable to react to Obi's move, even though he was looking directly at him. Pitiful display by maul.
He didn't best Obi at all. He beat an unfocused Obi. The director of the show where Obi BEATS Maul and Savage.. States.. now you'll see what a focused and determined Kenobi can do. He mentions how Kenobi wasn't focused and was distraught before. To say Maul beat Kenobi again shows your bias. Not only did Maul not beat him the first time they fought, in fact, he was turned into a midget. He lost again, with help. Kenobi is his superior bud and so is Anakin
You sure seemed to call is a problem for Yoda and stated it so many times. Now it's not a problem for Maul when he does the same thing? Typical hypocrisy. The reality is, Anakin is Maul's superior in virtually every way imaginable. He wins