I just watched my sister get to the part where you
Spoiler:She tried to force it for like a half-hour before turning the game off. She's not happy, after loving the game up until that point.
switch to Abby for an extended period. When she saw that Abby could craft, it dawned on her that she was going to be playing as her for a while.
I imagine it's the same feeling a lot of people would have. And it's not even written that ****ing well either.
I think it was Upper Echelon Gaming who did a video a while back on it who talked about fans being angry about the treatment of "beloved characters from a beloved franchise" and I'm sitting thinking "Franchise? There's only been 1 game so far and both Joel and Ellie mostly seemed like assholes in it"
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
It's not executed well here. Neither story-wise or mechanically.
I've played through the killing. The only criticism is that it happens too early.
I haven't played any more of Abby's part since the run up to that scene yet though.
The flashback to the museum was excellent character building but it would've been better to play it before the death.
I'm so glad I didn't pre-order this game. Watching certain cutscenes and reading spoilers has me shaking my head. Gone are the days when Joel doesnt trust anyone, is smart enough to recognize when a desperate man alone in the middle of a street is really a bandit trying to ambush them. Joel in this game apparently is happy telling people where he lives and what his social insurance number is.
Nicely done, Naughty Dog.
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Ellie having Joel's killer in her grasp and letting her go as the story concludes is the most WTF thing. The story was already a cringe fest but that moment had to be the dumbest. The very least they could've given players the revenge they sought probably why they trudged through this at all but NAH. Naughty Dog saying screw you as always right to the end.
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Also Ellie goes so far for her revenge her girlfriend and kid and everyone else she loves leaves her. So at least carry the revenge out. Now she lost quite literally everything just for what essentially boils down to a gruesome rematch just to prove she's as good a fighter as Abby McSwoletits. Because as it stands they left for no good reason since she didn't even follow through.
Originally posted by Nemesis XJust got to that. :/
LOU1 Joel: Never trusting strangers, playing things safe.LOU2 Joel:
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I don't know the lot of you but I trust going to this vacant lodge where I'm sure you won't gang up and kill my ass.
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Didn't they explain that by having them overrun with inflected the entire way and in a blizzard? Tommy even mentioned that they can't make it back to base. Doesn't seem like he had much of a choice but to trust the girl who's life he saved.At least his last words were badass. I like that he didn't play their games. It was just his past catching up with him, which makes sense to me. Seems like the obvious way Joel was always going to go out after how much they played up his dark past and morally dark grey character. So far, my theory is that they're ex-fireflies but idk.
Anyway, can't wait to ****ing MURDER Abby and her crew. Holy sh*t, I hope it gets gratuitous.
Also, Ellie is a great character and all, but I can't help but wish I was playing Joel the entire game.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
[B]Just got to that. :/Spoiler:
Didn't they explain that by having them overrun with inflected the entire way and in a blizzard? Tommy even mentioned that they can't make it back to base. Doesn't seem like he had much of a choice but to trust the girl who's life he saved.
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Yeah 'cause nobody that Joel & Ellie met in the first game ever lured them with the guise of kindness...
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At least his last words were badass. I like that he didn't play their games. It was just his past catching up with him, which makes sense to me. Seems like the obvious way Joel was always going to go out after how much they played up his dark past and morally dark grey character. So far, my theory is that they're ex-fireflies but idk.
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This is the same dude who infiltrated a town of cannibals and yolo'd through a hospital full of armed gunmen though. If Joel had to die, fine, but he could've went out in a more badass way and not like a punk. The disrespect be real.
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Anyway, can't wait to ****ing MURDER Abby and her crew. Holy sh*t, I hope it gets gratuitous.
Prepare to be disappointed. Immensely.
Do you not remember the two brothers in the first game?
Or how it's been four years and has gotten older. The game even references that they get visitors. They are also close to home. It's not unexpected for Joel to make a mistake. Also, what else were they going to do? He was dead if he didn't go with her...and once inside...he was caught.
The game setting is utterly depressing and cruel. What happens in this game makes sense.
Other than the story, it's an awesome game. The stealth sections are top notch, they nailed the atmosphere and there is a lot of cool moments in it. My favourite thing to do was to unleash clickers on enemies and then see them slowly sneak around them (or being chased and ruthlessly murdered) and then I come up behind them and headshot them. It's great.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The gameplay is still a mixed bag for me, but it is a definite improvement over the first game. So I can credit them for that.
Yes, I agree. I think it's one the best stealth games out there.
It's hard to say why though...I find how they do patrolling NPC's interesting...rarely did the NPC's go to an area where it was easy to take them down. Usually, it's with 2 to 3 NPC's closely behind. Or they have overlapping viewpoints.
However, Naughty Dog usually gave a small window of opportunity to take somebody before being seen and it doesn't feel fake.
Also, I find they implemented dogs very well. It felt real but you can also use it to your advantage. I loved how if you got caught, it wasn't an instant reload...you can break line of sight and be able to go back to sneaking.
There is definitely criticism for sure...and it's not as good as the first game (or at least I didn't enjoy it as much) but I have to admit it's a well developed game. There is a lot of skill and care put into it and we should be happy a developer has the ability and money to do this.