To elaborate on my previous standing, Dooku is clearly the more masterful duelist, with both evidently more refined technique and just better dueling feats. I don't see any reasonable argument being made for Cade winning a majority in sheer lightsaber combat.
Force is harder to judge because whilst Dooku's knowledge of the Force and mastery of it definitely surpasses Cade's, raw power is a closer call. It doesn't help that Dooku's Force Lightning can be repulsed by Cade's Protection Bubble. Telekinesis is pretty close but I'd rank Cade somewhere between Maul and Dooku at best - I'd say Dooku's obelisk feat remains unrivaled. Then again, Dark Transfer could potentially be a quick win for Cade if he manages to get close.
Overall goes to Dooku. He's considerably more skilled and while he wouldn't make short work of Cade with a lightsaber, he would definitely win any engagement between the two that way. His Force attacks are probably of minimal consequence unless he catches Cade off-guard with telekinesis (which is entirely possible), and Cade definitely isn't winning via Force. I'm not sold on Cade's Dark Transfer being a get-out-of-jail-free card, particularly the argument of Cade being able to beat Dooku as soon as he touches him, so I'll have to award this to the Count. Cade can't really get close enough to Tyranus to touch him for a majority anyway.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'd say Dooku's obelisk feat remains unrivaled.
It really baffles me how this bit feat impresses anyone
It's doubtful it took much more power to accomplish than a real world hand grenade detonation being generous
The parameters of which would require about... 50-100 tons total mass (or about 18.5 to 37 meters cubed of material assuming granite density) and lifting them about 2-4 meters IIRC
Think a hand grenade's worth about a megajoule or a few anyway :hmm
I'm not going to throw some n-canon numbers around, but a Savage Opress who was drawing off his pain and using maximum effort was barely lifting two of them up for a period of time, and in the same episode he was capable of pushing a shuttle of a cliff with only moderate effort and no pain.
On the other hand, Dooku required seemingly moderate effort to lift about a dozen of them.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm not going to throw some n-canon numbers around, but a Savage Opress who was drawing off his pain and using maximum effort was barely lifting two of them up for a period of time, and in the same episode he was capable of pushing a shuttle of a cliff with only moderate effort and no pain.
The shuttle feat is legit
And Dooku's better performance with the Obelisks would suggest he can easily replicate it
That's all the Obelisks are useful for though, powerscaling
Given how fiction generally doesn't play with consistency well?
I'm not exactly about to start assuming the pillars are made of some unnamed ultra-yetstillmuchlesssothanneutronium-dense substance just to assert a facsimile of consistency on any fiction
The ease Dooku accomplishes the feat with is another nice observation towards powerscaling, but it's ultimately unquantifiable in measure if you're going to make anything more out of it.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
👆Among other pretty impressive feats.
EDIT: On top of that Chaos, your assuming what the obelisks are made of, considering they are there for the purposes of training it could well be an extremely dense/heavy material. The effort Savage required to lift them would suggest as much.
If you're fine with assigning an arbitrary, unsupported, speculative, entirely fictional density as opposed to working with real known materials when given no further data to work with?
Not exactly going to suggest you stop it
It's too subjective for my taste, but this hobby's subjective to start with
That said?
I'd still just stick with powerscaling to Savage's feat later in the same episode through this feat
That's fair
My bad there
Still not entirely awake yet :maybe
That said, you guys could just go the whole nine yards and note that even fairly late into the Clone Wars Dooku's TK was good enough to match and even overpower Anakin's (notably that sandstorm feat from TCW IIRC)
A much weaker incarnation of Anakin kind of pushed a CIS Dreadnaught into the path of speeding missiles launched at the surface from orbit
He pushed it faster than said missiles in fact
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah I had noticed that recently, however is that Dreadnaught feat from OCW?
Happened in this
Only ever found the complete thing in spanish...
Scan quality in general kind of sucks too
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123Ah I see, problem with OCW and the comics surrounding it is they tend to exaggerate abilities.
Happened in thisOnly ever found the complete thing in spanish...
Scan quality in general kind of sucks too
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ah I see, problem with OCW and the comics surrounding it is they tend to exaggerate abilities.
Having only worked with a small sample of feats spread out through multiple Star Wars media?
I can honestly say that's objectively not true in so much that OCW feats are hardly stand out in terms of what's actually most powerful
Hell, even the movies can be said to have better speed feats when taken in conjunction with novel narrative
If you're talking raw power wise?
Just about everything not of the first 6 films is "an exaggeration" by what standards you seem to possess :hmm
Tossing senate pods being the best feats found there, that's hardly comparable to even budging those shuttles like Maul and Savage did
Not really seeing it :hmm
Windu's performance during the battle of Dantooine? Nothing really stands out as being incredibly insane in terms of how much power goes into each feat.
You'd be surprised how little energy jumping a few hundred meters to kilometers with a significant parabolic arc takes... like significantly less than the time Grievous sent a piece of blast door flying with a kick down a hallway. All about how paltry Windu's mass is compared to that section of door... and that's still a bit feat compared to Kenobi actively damaging Grievous' armor with his bare hands.
Think Yoda's best shit was moving those carriers? It's a weaker showing than Padawan Anakin's and hilariously weaker than anything found in TFU
And TFU hardly has a monopoly on high end feats in the franchise
And Grievous is just a ****ing mess anyway :maybe