DB Tier List

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Why should I trust you? And it was representative for Earth and or the Universe and as such heavy enough. Unquantifiable but still impressive. Herc is a Class 100. Which is more than any DB char I know of.

If Goku and Herc faught just phsically in a slug fest punch for punch, Herc would kill him, since he is stronger. Blasting power is in Gokus favor, that was never argued.

You wrote : "Also, a lot of herald-level characters have no super-strength whatsoever. But that doesn't stop them from being able to kill Hercules five times over before he even hits the ground in free fall."

I gave you the Spiderman vs Firelord answer.

You wrote: "
What does collateral damage have to do with Spider-man supposedly beating Firelord?"

We were talking about people beating others out of their class now. I gave you an example that Tiers are not always represenataive who wins. As for Collateral Damge, it is like strength not enough to give someone a place in a tier he might not deserve.

Yet those chars struggle to lift a City. If Gokus destroys the earth he kills himself. The durability against physical attacks of DB chars is by far lower than against energy attacks, thus I can imagine a superior physical foe beating them rather quick. Anyway. Place them in tiers, that will be more helpful, not only you but all of you, maybe we can find an consens.

You would also put Goku in the Abstract or Skyfather tier...

Dr. Slump > Dragonball if you ask me and yeah, physically she Is above any DB char, splitting the earth in half etc. So feel free.

Lol...stop trying to lowball DBZ all of the time. We get it, you don't like the characters.

Originally posted by Galan007
In the Dragon Ball: Bouken Special (1987), Toriyama was asked how a battle between Goku and Arale would go. His response: "If Goku and Arale fought, Arale would probably be stronger than Goku." Since this statement was made during the Piccolo Daimao-era, it puts Goku's PL at 260.

That said, the word "probably" implies that the difference between Goku and Arale was marginal. So if I had to guess, I'd say Arale's PL would have been ~300. For a point of reference: Freeza's PL at base=530,000(a difference of over 1,750x.)

Food for thought. 🙂

...But yeah, her strength feats are retardedly haxx. 👆

Interesting Point tbh. Now Master Roshis PL would be around 180 when he destroyed the Moon. The Farmer, a normal human being, was stated to have a Power level of 5. So to destroy a Moon in the DB Universe, a being has to be as powerful as 36 Humans. Frieza had a PL of 530000, so in order to destroy a Planet in the DB universe one has to be as Powerful as 106000 Humans.

Maybe the Moons and Planets in the DB have different physical attributes.

Anyway, this opens a new perspective. How to judge the DB tiers better in a Comic world, which is less toonish. Since in Comics the most common way to gauge the power of heroes is physical strength we can use this to judge what PL Superhumans would have in the DB-Verse. Spiderman can lift 10 Tons IIRC, let's assume that the average Human can lift about 50 kg, that would mean that Spiderman is as powerful as 200 humans. Since Humans have a PL of 5 it would mean that Spiderman has a PL of 1000. Hulk lifted 150,000,000,000 Tons, that means he is as powerful as 3,000,000,000,000 Humans and has a PL of 15,000,000,000,000.

Food for thought. 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
What fts does Arale have?

She has also cracked the earth in half with a casual punch:

...And that is, quite literally, just the tip of the iceberg.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Interesting Point tbh. Now Master Roshis PL would be around 180 when he destroyed the Moon. The Farmer, a normal human being, was stated to have a Power level of 5. So to destroy a Moon in the DB Universe, a being has to be as powerful as 36 Humans. Frieza had a PL of 530000, so in order to destroy a Planet in the DB universe one has to be as Powerful as 106000 Humans.

Maybe the Moons and Planets in the DB have different physical attributes.

Anyway, this opens a new perspective. How to judge the DB tiers better in a Comic world, which is less toonish. Since in Comics the most common way to gauge the power of heroes is physical strength we can use this to judge what PL Superhumans would have in the DB-Verse. Spiderman can lift 10 Tons IIRC, let's assume that the average Human can lift about 50 kg, that would mean that Spiderman is as powerful as 200 humans. Since Humans have a PL of 5 it would mean that Spiderman has a PL of 1000. Hulk lifted 150,000,000,000 Tons, that means he is as powerful as 3,000,000,000,000 Humans and has a PL of 15,000,000,000,000.

Food for thought. 🙂

If all you do is lowball DBZ characters, why'd you even make this thread, lol?

Originally posted by Galan007
Roshi destroyed the moon with a ki blast, though. Your average human, with a PL of 5, cannot generate ki blasts(which compound/increase a being's baseline power level several times over, btw.) So this entire line of shitty rationale is utterly moot. 🙂

If all you do is lowball DBZ characters, why'd you even make this thread, lol?

The line of thinking makes sense, if you like it or not. I do not lowball them as you can see in my examples, i just try to find a reasonable way to place the chars in the right tiers. A conversion of some comic heroes into PL seems a good way imo.

So what powerlevel did roshis Kamehameha had, what do you think?

One more thing. Goku lifted 40 Tons when he was training, after that training he had a base PL of 9000 IIRC, so during the training when he lifted 40 Tons he was at an estimated PL of 4000, which would make sense, as this wasn't his max. So this system could work both ways.

Galan, do you think Bills and Whis are in trans level, comparing then with comics heralds ?

Power level are bullshit 😐

Why do people still use that shit

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The line of thinking makes sense, if you like it or not. I do not lowball them as you can see in my examples, i just try to find a reasonable way to place the chars in the right tiers. A conversion of some comic heroes into PL seems a good way imo.

So what powerlevel did roshis Kamehameha had, what do you think?

One more thing. Goku lifted 40 Tons when he was training, after that training he had a base PL of 9000 IIRC, so during the training when he lifted 40 Tons he was at an estimated PL of 4000, which would make sense, as this wasn't his max. So this system could work both ways.

However, random humans cannot control their ki at all--let alone generate high-end ki blasts... And Roshi busted the moon with a ki blast. Aside from that, because they are extremely concentrated singular points of energy, ki blasts are actually amplified WAY beyond their user's base power level. Example: Piccolo's base PL=408 against Raditz, yet his PL after charging the SBC=1,330. There are many other examples of an energy attack being FAR more powerful than the character firing it(Vegeta's "Final Flash" vs. Perfect Cell is another), but hopefully you get the picture. 🙂

Anywho, please don't try to defend/justify your previous argument. It just makes you look desperate and uninformed. 👆

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Galan, do you think Bills and Whis are in trans level, comparing then with comics heralds ?

Originally posted by Galan007
She once split the moon by throwing a rock at it:

She has also cracked the earth in half with a casual punch:

...And that is, quite literally, just the tip of the iceberg.

Did she show up in any of the post kid goku stories?

Nope. Some Arale Easter eggs were dropped in a few of the DBZ films, but that's it.

Arale does show up in chapter 81, 82 and 83, but that's it.

^ Yup, she appeared in Dragon Ball a few times. She never directly appeared in DBZ, though. 🙁

Galan, you dodged the question, what PL did Roshis Kamehameha had in your opinion at max?
And a Farmer having a PL of 5 is fact.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Galan, you dodged the question, what PL did Roshis Kamehameha had in your opinion at max?
And a Farmer having a PL of 5 is fact.

^power levels are bull shit 👆

No DBZ character is herald level.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where speed, stamina, durability, and energy output are concerned: most definitely.

Superboy Prime for example has feats of speed, strength, and durability far in excess of any DBZ character.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
^power levels are bull shit 👆

Yes, you are right, Power Levels and Scaling might be a dumb way to argue but it's the most common way among the fans and better than collateral damage. So, whatwould you suggest to place them in the right tier?

And yes Superboy Prime is above them.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Since in Comics the most common way to gauge the power of heroes is physical strength we can use this to judge what PL Superhumans would have in the DB-Verse. Spiderman can lift 10 Tons IIRC, let's assume that the average Human can lift about 50 kg, that would mean that Spiderman is as powerful as 200 humans. Since Humans have a PL of 5 it would mean that Spiderman has a PL of 1000. Hulk lifted 150,000,000,000 Tons, that means he is as powerful as 3,000,000,000,000 Humans and has a PL of 15,000,000,000,000.

Food for thought. 🙂

Professor X probably lifts less than the average man, Beneath Street Level I assume?

Strength is only one of many categories.

The ability to destroy a planet is significant (unless compared to the power of The Force).

Since when has Ki/strength/power/energy not been the same thing?

Ki powers the body, and digging deeper into the body's inner energy allows you to amp your body in every conceivable way, including mentally; as fighters in Dragon Ball become more receptive and keen as their power builds. Master Roshi explains in chapter 14 of Dragon Ball that one must tap into their ki to transcend their 'physical limits' and become more powerful. There is a reason why master Roshi gets bigger when he summons his ki. This is why all the fighters become more muscular when summoning ki.

I don't see why if Goku has the energy to destroy a mountain with a ki blast, he wouldn't be able to accomplish it with a well focused punch. The blast is just more convenient because you can unleash 'force' with physical properties, at a distance.

A ki blast is essentialy might from a distane, hence when characters are killed with ki blasts, they are annihilated and not incinerated, ki blasts aren't magical lasers. This fact should also be evident when characters drain their chi and are left weak and helpless. When their ki is drained, they lose their strength.

Now the God Ki is something else entirely. That is more than just the energy that gives life to the body, as it seems to give its weilders extra abilities. Bills for instance uses the power to destroy and disolve things effortlessly, almost like a Grim Reaper.The kais on the other hand use their ki to create a whole host of things, like clothes out of thin air.