Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeI didn't answer the question, because I have no way of knowing exactly how powerful his blast was. I merely mentioned the fact that charged ki blasts are almost always superior to the baseline PL of their user--by a wide margin. Surely Roshi's moon-buster was no exception. 🙂
Galan, you dodged the question, what PL did Roshis Kamehameha had in your opinion at max?
And a Farmer having a PL of 5 is fact.
Originally posted by NemeBroWhat makes you say they're frail?
Whis and Beerus are awfully slow and frail for trans characters, at least the ones I'm familiar with.Superboy Prime for example has feats of speed, strength, and durability far in excess of any DBZ character.
Originally posted by NemeBroNot that it would put them on par with Thanos/SBP(who are at the tip-top of the tier, mind you), but I was going to mention Beerus/Whis tanking a planet-busting detonation in the Dragon Ball Super! manga... But I don't know if that's still canon, given the events of the show. So yeah... Got nothin. 👆
Because Beerus was bruised by a handgun. 131What durability feats do they have on par with Superboy Prime or Thanos (he's still trans, right?)?
I'll just stick with trans-level energy output. 👆
Well no, two things cant be canon if they count different storys. As far i know, Akira dont do this manga (still i think the manga was far better than the episode).
Galan, some time ago you said Superman would win for sure against Goku. After the movies and DBZ Super, do you think Goku SSJGOD, Beerus and Whis can beat Superman and others Heralds ?
I'd say that Superman is still quantifiably stronger, faster(sans teleportation), and more durable than Goku.
Beerus and Whis are still hard to gauge, as we've yet to see their upper limits. Beerus can destroy suns and solar systems instantly when he gets upset, though, and Whis is much more powerful than him... Their energy output *should* be sufficient to harm/incapacitate Superman at the very least, imo. Goku should logically be able to as well, given that he is very close to Beerus' level now. /shrug
^ Those figures are wrong.
Goku's baseline PL=416:
http://i.imgur.com/2kukmEH.jpg
Goku's Kamehemeha=924+:
http://i.imgur.com/EysVh41.jpg
Piccolo's baseline PL=408:
http://i.imgur.com/VKRPiuU.jpg
Piccolo's SBC=1,330:
http://i.imgur.com/V5c4XJR.jpg
The PL of Vegeta's Galick Gun was never stated. However, Vegeta's baseline PL=18,000 during the Saiyan saga:
http://i.imgur.com/5DTioW7.jpg
Actually, thinking about it, wasn't the ability to raise and lower power levels considered fairly unique back then?
Vegeta claimed pl raising and lowering was a trick he learned on Earth, to everyones surprise. And Radditz sure seemed surprised Goku and Piccolo kept amping attacks way past their base pl. So, doesn't that mean Vegeta's Galic Gun shouldn't have been any stronger then his base pl, given the lack of power raising ability?
If so, that would make matching a much stronger Kamehameha something of a plot hole.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'd say that Superman is still quantifiably stronger, faster(sans teleportation), and more durable than Goku.Beerus and Whis are still hard to gauge, as we've yet to see their upper limits. Beerus can destroy suns and solar systems instantly when he gets upset, though, and Whis is much more powerful than him... Their energy output *should* be sufficient to harm/incapacitate Superman at the very least, imo. Goku should logically be able to as well, given that he is very close to Beerus' level now. /shrug
Faster i agree, stronger probably, durable not sure.
Cant we scale the enery output with durability ? I mean, we never got the idea in DBZ that their energy output far exceed the durability. When someone is stronger, this one is able to tank everything (only in some few cases like very charged attacks).
Like, SSJGod Goku could take all of Majin Buu attacks, wich is at least planetary level +. Do you think Superman could take all of it ?
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Those figures are wrong.Goku's baseline PL=416:
http://i.imgur.com/2kukmEH.jpgGoku's Kamehemeha=924+:
http://i.imgur.com/EysVh41.jpgPiccolo's baseline PL=408:
http://i.imgur.com/VKRPiuU.jpgPiccolo's SBC=1,330:
http://i.imgur.com/V5c4XJR.jpgThe PL of Vegeta's Galick Gun was never stated. However, Vegeta's baseline PL=18,000 during the Saiyan saga:
http://i.imgur.com/5DTioW7.jpg
The difference is marginal.
This just means that Roshis Moonbuster was around 380 - 600. Which makes it easier for me to figure out the PL of comic heroes and the Tier of the DB Chars.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
I think the Roshi attack was far stronger than 120ish power level. Because in the page, for a panel, we tough he killed the Ozaru - may be a indication that the attack could do that. It is not much but...
Yeah that's why I said 380-600. Not as powerful as Gokus when he faced Radditz but close enough.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Faster i agree, stronger probably, durable not sure.Cant we scale the enery output with durability ? I mean, we never got the idea in DBZ that their energy output far exceed the durability. When someone is stronger, this one is able to tank everything (only in some few cases like very charged attacks).
Like, SSJGod Goku could take all of Majin Buu attacks, wich is at least planetary level +. Do you think Superman could take all of it ?
This.
Roshi moon buster wouldn't tickle someone like Raditz. Piccolo had to charge to the max to damage him. Saiyan Saga Vegeta planetary attack couldn't budge Super Saiyan Goku. This goes on and on. Heralds on average can't withstand power like that, especially at the point of brushing it off.
Goku combat speed is greater as well. Hell, their flight speed might be greater...I know for a fact that their combat speed is consistently better though. Anything over super Saiyan imo is a stomp.
Originally posted by carver9
This.Roshi moon buster wouldn't tickle someone like Raditz. Piccolo had to charge to the max to damage him. Saiyan Saga Vegeta planetary attack couldn't budge Super Saiyan Goku. This goes on and on. Heralds on average can't withstand power like that, especially at the point of brushing it off.
Goku combat speed is greater as well. Hell, their flight speed might be greater...I know for a fact that their combat speed is consistently better though. Anything over super Saiyan imo is a stomp.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeA PL of 380-600 wouldn't be close to Goku's Kamehameha(PL=924) at all... Nor would it be remotely enough to have injured(much less killed) Oozaru Goku, whose PL=1,800(which is > Raditz, btw.)
Yeah that's why I said 380-600. Not as powerful as Gokus when he faced Radditz but close enough.
