Doc Green vs Odinson

Originally posted by carver9
I never said HE said that. I added that part in but he did say that brute force is the ONLY plan POSSIBLE for beating Hulk. No denying that.

Lol...you think he would be wobbly. Thor doesn't even believe that. Hell, Hulk doesn't believe that and in a fight like this, he would probably not get the chance to even go that route since Hulk would be all over him. Doc has been claimed as being one of the most powerful beings on the planet... I don't think Thor would be the one taking that claim away from him either.

Carver, stop it. Thor HAS used lighting successfully against Hulk, end of story. Don't lie.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The best part is that in the comic above, a single -and relatively low end by Thor's standards- bolt put Hulk on his knees (With Betty even doubting if he could take more):

Also, this isn't even full power Thor, he's being powered by the Leader here, after he lost his powers.

Thor vs. Hulk. Neither one of them wants to take the others best imo. Thor doesent want to geound and pounded, and Doc Green certainly doesent want to be on the recieving end of Jarnborn because it will be game over.

If I was Doc Green I would either bumrush Odinson and use my larger mass slightly superior strength, and healing factor to stay in as close as possible and try to keep him from getting a full on swing with that axe. Or I would keep my distance, peppering him with my surroundings until I could get a chance to disarm him or get a good couple haymakers in.

If I was Thor, I would immediately open up with massive lightning bolts that may not kill Hulk but we all agree that it will hurt and stun him, pairing this with random pieces of the earth opening up at my fommand and massive storms that would blind and disorient Doc even if for a few seconds should let me be able to get a good shot in with Jarnborn and its over.

Hmmm, Doc Green or Maestro w/Jarnborn vs.....something. Its stuck in my head though.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Also, this isn't even full power Thor, he's being powered by the Leader here, after he lost his powers.

That is full powered Thor. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by carver9
That is full powered Thor. What are you talking about?

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Originally posted by carver9
That is full powered Thor. What are you talking about?

He's not. There was something that messed with Tge World Tree and it depowered Thor, it's been years so I'm a bit hazy on the details, but he's being powered by Leader.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That being full powered Thor has to be taken with a grain of salt when the very next day in Avengers #397(yes, the next day as was described in narration) Thor collapsed just by eating a tank bomb and whirling the blast away from civilians. And with the backdrop of hints that the Leader(Omnibus) was responsible for his power up in Inc Hulk #440 and with Widow outright stating he's not the thunder god he once was... I know how you love to hang your hat on that fight, but facts are facts.

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Lol...both Hulk and Thor has worst showings than being dropped by a tank shell. That doesn't mean he wasn't at full power, we call that a low showing.

In the same scan I posted where he states he isn't the god he once was, we clearly see his power restored. Beforehand, he didn't even want to face Hulk until his power was restored.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
He's not. There was something that messed with Tge World Tree and it depowered Thor, it's been years so I'm a bit hazy on the details, but he's being powered by Leader.

Yes, BEFORE he faced Hulk. Once he tapped that hammer on the ground and got his power back, he was at full power and even referenced it. Please look at the scan I posted.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...both Hulk and Thor has worst showings than being dropped by a tank shell. That doesn't mean he wasn't at full power, we call that a low showing.

In the same scan I posted where he states he isn't the god he once was, we clearly see his power restored. Beforehand, he didn't even want to face Hulk until his power was restored.

Black Widow makes the statement right after he collapsed. Come to think of it I was actually wrong on my description. He no sold a gamma bomb and not an ordinary one. Dude collapsed from transporting the blast away from the civilians. Heck in Thor #497 while in NY(which also happened the next day after Hulk #440, he thought he was back to normal up until he tried a lightning shot and was dumbfounded when it fizzled out like static.

"Full powered Thor"... Give me a break. 😆

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Black Widow makes the statement right after he collapsed. Come to think of it I was actually wrong on my description. He no sold a gamma bomb and not an ordinary one. Dude collapsed from transporting the blast away from the civilians. Heck in Thor #497 while in NY(which also happened the next day after Hulk #440, he thought he was back to normal up until he tried a lightning shot and was dumbfounded when it fizzled out like static.

"Full powered Thor"... Give me a break. 😆

But yet we get full confirmation that Thor was at full power before jumping in the battle to fight Hulk. We get confirmation from him that he doesn't stand a chance against Hulk but when his power is restored he jumps on the battlefield to fight Hulk. You can point out all of the low showings you want but that doesn't go against anything that was showing during the instance of Hulk fighting a full powered Thor.

Originally posted by carver9

Originally posted by carver9
But yet we get full confirmation that Thor was at full power before jumping in the battle to fight Hulk. We get confirmation from him that he doesn't stand a chance against Hulk but when his power is restored he jumps on the battlefield to fight Hulk. You can point out all of the low showings you want but that doesn't go against anything that was showing during the instance of Hulk fighting a full powered Thor.

In Avengers #397 it specifically references Hulk #439 as Leader(Omnibus) being the likely cause of his power up. They're not just going to specifically bring up that issue in reference to Thor's power up for nothing.

I'm sorry it may eat at you, but you can't just hand wave multiple on panel references that throws what you're saying out the window.

Your explanations on low showings are false since they follow up each shortcoming with an explanation of his power loss.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, BEFORE he faced Hulk. Once he tapped that hammer on the ground and got his power back, he was at full power and even referenced it. Please look at the scan I posted.

No. When he hit Mjolnir on the ground he activated the power from Leader, which he then fought Hulk with. Hence why he was surprised.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wtf? It wasn't until the end Thor #500 when he tries to pull Odin's sword out of Ygdrassil that he was back to being truly the god of thunder which consequently repowered back other Asgardians like Red Norvell.

In Avengers #397 it specifically references Hulk #439 as Leader(Omnibus) being the likely cause of his power up. They're not just going to specifically bring up that issue in reference to Thor's power up for nothing.

I'm sorry it may eat at you, but you can't just hand wave multiple on panel references that throws what you're saying out the window.

Your explanations on low showings are false since they follow up each shortcoming with an explanation of his power loss.

Thor felt pretty got darn sure he was at full power and again, he didn't feel confident when he wasn't Devine enough to face the Hulk. He only proceeded at doing that when he got his power back. He only faced Hulk when he was complete.

Also, lol at you bringing up what dropped Thor afterwards. Tank shell? Really? Let's do a comparison here. Thor withstood some hits from a pissed Hulk in the artic. Are you telling me that Hulk fist isn't comparable to a tank shell? Hulk fist > everything else that you brought up that dropped Thor. Also, might as well bring up Thor going Warrior Madness as well.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
No. When he hit Mjolnir on the ground he activated the power from Leader, which he then fought Hulk with. Hence why he was surprised.

Thor felt that he was at full power which is the reason he attacked Hulk. Before then, he was pissed that he didn't have the power to go against the Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor felt pretty got darn sure he was at full power and again, he didn't feel confident when he wasn't Devine enough to face the Hulk. He only proceeded at doing that when he got his power back. He only faced Hulk when he was complete.

Also, lol at you bringing up what dropped Thor afterwards. Tank shell? Really? Let's do a comparison here. Thor withstood some hits from a pissed Hulk in the artic. Are you telling me that Hulk fist isn't comparable to a tank shell? Hulk fist > everything else that you brought up that dropped Thor. Also, might as well bring up Thor going Warrior Madness as well.

In the beginning of Thor #497(also happened one day after the Hulk fight), Thor thought to himself that all his powers have returned through the machinations of Leader. He was even exhibiting some of his powers like super strength, lightning, and weather manipulation. Same issue had one of his lightning shot attempts fizzle out like static.

Thor powered up by leader =/= to Thor powered up by Asgard/Odin.

Thor was not fully restored. All things considered, it's just foolish to accept that.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor felt that he was at full power which is the reason he attacked Hulk. Before then, he was pissed that he didn't have the power to go against the Hulk.

Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't.

I don't know what you want me to tell you here, just read the story and you'll see.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Carvster. Please read carefully my posts before you reply. First I already explained that it wasn't the gamma bomb that dropped him. He ate that without a problem. Dude collapsed just from him transporting the explosion away. Second we see the comic stating that he "may not be the thunder god he once was". It's not a low showing when the comic is specifically giving a reason for his not so god of thunderness. Looking back at it now, his berserker mindset in that fight was what kept him in it.

In the beginning of Thor #497(also happened one day after the Hulk fight), Thor thought to himself that all his powers have returned through the machinations of Leader. He was even exhibiting some of his powers like super strength, lightning, and weather manipulation. Same issue had one of his lightning shot attempts fizzle out like static.

Thor powered up by leader =/= to Thor powered up by Asgard/Odin.

Thor was not fully restored. All things considered, it's just foolish to accept that.

Thor tells us that ALL of his power was restored...not some of it, not partial either; he said ALL of his power was restored by leader and he said that he will take advantage of this while it was there.

Full powered Thor bro.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't.

I don't know what you want me to tell you here, just read the story and you'll see.

Read above.