Aurra Sing vs Savage Opress

Started by Fated Xtasy4 pages
Originally posted by Beniboybling
How will that help her win? :mmm:

Seeing as how a lesser experienced Jar'Kai (Obi)user took Advantage if Opress' tunnel vision, imma go ahead and say Aurra's Jar'kai is going to be prominent in this match up.

Orly?

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Except that wasn't a TK attack, that was Gallia throwing a giant rock right at Sing's face. So um wrong.

is that the truth?

So... I'm guessing you haven't had a good look at her RT? The ones with stuff from after RotS?

Irony being that Savage overpowered Adi with the Force:

Except it wasn't a TK attack, it was a Boulder hurled with the force, so that's sorta irrelevant dude.

And defeated Koon by moving to fast:

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So you're resorting to using her retconned version? Where her force sensitivity is non-existent? Let's look at the legends Aurra Sing who has dodged omnidirectional fire before her prime, created near invisible after images of herself and tooled Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan easily. This isn't even the tip of the blade.

😂

Aurra Sing is out of her league here, she won't be fast enough against someone who's speed blitzed Halsey, and she'll be completely overwhelmed by Force powers that even Dooku and Ventress combined struggled to handle.

All of her experience, skill and unorthodoxy will be of no help against Savage's sheer power. He crushes.

Nah, she won't be crushed at all by the force, unless you consider her shrugging pff Jacen Solo's TK blast a small feat, she won't be outdueled because her skill and power is just superior. Her TK, is destructive, and her endurance is high tier.

I recommend reading Bantha's RT, it's a good source for all of her feats.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Seeing as how a lesser experienced Jar'Kai (Obi)user took Advantage if Opress' tunnel vision, imma go ahead and say Aurra's Jar'kai is going to be prominent in this match up.
Which was not a result of Jar'Kai, but his mastery over the Ataru form. 😬

Sadly, Sing has neither Kenobi's skills nor his strength.

Except that wasn't a TK attack, that was Gallia throwing a giant rock right at Sing's face. So um wrong.
Using TK. 👆
So... I'm guessing you haven't had a good look at her RT? The ones with stuff from after RotS?
Sing's one feat after ROTS isn't enough for me to make a judgement on, which is why I'm considering her ROTS incarnation. Savage would capable defeat that version, as or NJO? She'd probably give him a good fight, but still goes down.
Except it wasn't a TK attack, it was a Boulder hurled with the force, so that's sorta irrelevant dude.
It was a TK attack, and Savage can do better.
So you're resorting to using her retconned version? Where her force sensitivity is non-existent? Let's look at the legends Aurra Sing who has dodged omnidirectional fire before her prime, created near invisible after images of herself and tooled Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan easily. This isn't even the tip of the blade.
Retconned? Where is it stated she's not Force sensitive?

And Savage has speed blitzed Jedi, moved to fast for non-Force sensitives to react and surpassed Plo Koon in speed, one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order.

So what's your point?

Nah, she won't be crushed at all by the force, unless you consider her shrugging pff Jacen Solo's TK blast a small feat, she won't be outdueled because her skill and power is just superior. Her TK, is destructive, and her endurance is high tier.
Again if Dooku and Ventress can't shrug off his attacks, then Sing can't. Heck to be honest I'm struggling to see proof Savage can't straight up ragdoll her.

And great, her TK is inferior to Savage's, as is her endurance. What exactly does she have on him?

I think DMBE taking a loss here

The empire only loses when Bane dies

Alright children im here. Lets all settle down so that uncle Bantha can all teach you a thing or two

How will that help her win? :mmm:
Unlike any Jar'Kai user Savage has faced, Aurra Sing uses her second blade as a sneak attack. She starts off with one blade and then while she keeps them busy with her single blade she activates and attacks them unprepared with her second blade. This tactic has immediately killed J'mikel and caused Qui Gon to have an "Oh shit!" look on his face

Orly?

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Throwing a giant rock is a lot different than a straight up TK attack but that feat just goes to prove that Aurra can take a lot of punishment. But if you think she is a weak Force wielder then all I have to say is that Ki-Adi-Mundi Eath Koth and Jax Pavan all disagree with you.

Aurra has been hit with a Force Push from Jacen Solo and has been fine, Savage Opress is no Jacen Solo.

Is that the truth?

There are a few problems with this. First off is, as others have already stated, she doesn't have her close range weapons on her. Secondly is that this is a canon source and she might not even be a Force wielder in the new canon. She has never been shown wielding a lightsaber, has never been eluded to as a dark Jedi and has never done anything with the Force in the new canon. In Legends Aurra Sing is much faster than Savage Opress though as she has created after images, snakes of light, spheres of fire, and is stated that even droids would have trouble matching her speed.

"Her speed was startling: even a droid would be hard pressed to match her acceleration."

―Star Wars: Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows

"Sing was right behind her. ​Spinning, whirling, jumping,​ she deflected every shot fired in her direction. A glimpse of one of her doppelgängers showed her lightsaber moving so fast, she appeared to be engulfed in a sphere of green fire."

―Star Wars: Coruscant Nights II: Street of Shadows

Irony being that Savage overpowered Adi with the Force:

Aurra Sing can infuse her lightsaber with Force lightning. What's Savage got on that?

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Aurra Sing is out of her league here, she won't be fast enough against someone who's speed blitzed Halsey, and she'll be completely overwhelmed by Force powers that even Dooku and Ventress combined struggled to handle.

All of her experience, skill and unorthodoxy will be of no help against Savage's sheer power. He crushes.

On the contrary Sing has had the Jinn/Kenobi duo "on the ropes", has mastery of all weapons and is one the deadliest fighters in the galaxy. She is more than a match for Savage.

"Aurra’s mastery of all weapons was Legendary. When pursued by the Jedi on the Dark Woman’s planet, she even employed proximity mines against the enemy."

—The Official Star Wars Fact File

"An Anzati education would be more than enough to make anyone an untouchable killer, but Sing had no less than four distinct educations in the science of combat. Hands down, she was one of the deadliest fighters in the Galaxy."

—The New Essential Guide to Characters

"Aurra Sing can infuse her lightsaber with Force lightning. What's Savage got on that?"

lmao, it's just shitty art. Same comic that had bendy lightsabers.

"Secondly is that this is a canon source and she might not even be a Force wielder in the new canon. She has never been shown wielding a lightsaber, has never been eluded to as a dark Jedi and has never done anything with the Force in the new canon."

Hmm.. wonder if this excuse flies for TCW Grievous. 😮‍💨

A character who tends to use a lightsaber and suddenly in the new canon willingly walks into a meeting with a Jedi in a small room and leaves her lightsabers behind? Everything in the new canon on Aurra Sing has been about her being a badass bounty hunter and marksman. In the new canon it defiantly seems as though they are taking her the non-force sensitive route

I will clarify, this is the Legends Continuity version of both characters, and both characters are in their prime.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
A character who tends to use a lightsaber and suddenly in the new canon willingly walks into a meeting with a Jedi in a small room and leaves her lightsabers behind? Everything in the new canon on Aurra Sing has been about her being a badass bounty hunter and marksman. In the new canon it defiantly seems as though they are taking her the non-force sensitive route

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Nice response bantha, wish I had my pc instead of mah phone.

If this takes place on neutral ground Aurra gets plowed over, but if it's like in a jungle or some shit where Aurra has more chances to trip Opress up, I guess I can see Aurra scraping a win? Savage wins a majority though, in my opinion.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
If this takes place on neutral ground Aurra gets plowed over, but if it's like in a jungle or some shit where Aurra has more chances to trip Opress up, I guess I can see Aurra scraping a win? Savage wins a majority though, in my opinion.
Trees are of no consequence to the Force, otherwise good analysis. 👆

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Alright children im here. Lets all settle down so that uncle Bantha can all teach you a thing or two
I look forward to being educated.
Unlike any Jar'Kai user Savage has faced, Aurra Sing uses her second blade as a sneak attack. She starts off with one blade and then while she keeps them busy with her single blade she activates and attacks them unprepared with her second blade. This tactic has immediately killed J'mikel and caused Qui Gon to have an "Oh shit!" look on his face
Terrifying.

However considering Savage's armor can take glancing blows from a lightsaber, she'd have to successfully impale or dismember him with such an attack, or else it's only going to make him angrier.

Savage is faster and stronger than Jinn, and his saberstaff affords him a better defense, and J'Mikel is no better than the Jedi Master he blitzed on Devaron. So I await your proof she'd succeed.

On the other hand, one of Jar'Kai's primary weaknesses is the fact that it divides one's strength between the two blades, making the wielder much vulnerable to power attacks. Oh dear.

Throwing a giant rock is a lot different than a straight up TK attack but that feat just goes to prove that Aurra can take a lot of punishment. But if you think she is a weak Force wielder then all I have to say is that Ki-Adi-Mundi Eath Koth and Jax Pavan all disagree with you.

Aurra has been hit with a Force Push from Jacen Solo and has been fine, Savage Opress is no Jacen Solo.

Because Savage can't throw projectiles? He can. Point being that Sing was presumably incapacitated by that attack, so yes, she is vulnerable.

Jacen with a single Force push sent her flying, a Force wave from Savage is likely to be just as if not more effective, difference being Sing won't have a wife and kids to prevent Savage from following up, and blowing her away.

There are a few problems with this. First off is, as others have already stated, she doesn't have her close range weapons on her. Secondly is that this is a canon source and she might not even be a Force wielder in the new canon. She has never been shown wielding a lightsaber, has never been eluded to as a dark Jedi and has never done anything with the Force in the new canon. In Legends Aurra Sing is much faster than Savage Opress though as she has created after images, snakes of light, spheres of fire, and is stated that even droids would have trouble matching her speed.
I won't press the point because DMB specified Legends only.

In regards to the rest, Fated Xtasy already raised those points bro. He was not successful.

And Savage has speed blitzed Jedi, moved too fast for non-Force sensitives to react and surpassed Plo Koon in speed, one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order.

So what's your point?

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Aurra Sing can infuse her lightsaber with Force lightning. What's Savage got on that?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Unless you have another example of Sing wielding Force lightning, I'm going to chalk that up as artistic license in grave need of renewal. 👆

On the other hand:

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What has Sing got on these displays, hmm?

On the contrary Sing has had the Jinn/Kenobi duo "on the ropes"
Prove she can replicate this against Savage.
has mastery of all weapons
Only one of which can actually harm her opponent.
and is one the deadliest fighters in the galaxy.
Yet was put down by Adi Gallia. 👆

Originally posted by |King Joker|
If this takes place on neutral ground Aurra gets plowed over, but if it's like in a jungle or some shit where Aurra has more chances to trip Opress up, I guess I can see Aurra scraping a win? Savage wins a majority though, in my opinion.
Trip him up? This isn't Zannah...

That poor girl can never catch a break...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
However considering Savage's armor can take glancing blows from a lightsaber....

Except from that one time where Kenobi amputated his leg.

she'd have to successfully impale or dismember him with such an attack, or else it's only going to make him angrier.

Or completely throw him off to the point where he can't do jack ala Kenobi style.

Savage is faster and stronger than Jinn,

So you think Savage is superior to Darth Maul then? who, according to several sources, was nearly killed by the combined might of Obi-Wan and Jinn, and nearly killed by Jinn alone?

Need i remind you that Jinn's own strength sent shudders down Maul's arms and that Jinn met Maul's speed several times?

and his saberstaff affords him a better defense.

Save for that time with Kenobi, the time he was unable to deflect or dodge omnidirectional fire and against Maul when he whipped him.

and J'Mikel is no better than the Jedi Master he blitzed on Devaron. So I await your proof she'd succeed.

Each and everyone of the opponents she's collected her saber's from are considered to be the greatest the Jedi had to offer.

On the other hand, one of Jar'Kai's primary weaknesses is the fact that it divides one's strength between the two blades, making the wielder much vulnerable to power attacks.

Odd that a physically gifted man like Sharad, and later his son, A'sharad weren't able to completely over power her in a duel despite the fact that She took a boulder to the face while A'sharad remained unscathed.

Stranger still, is the fact that she's sent A'sharad flying with a boot to the face, twisted a droideka's arm and made it shoot it self, how her kicks where enough to break Jacen Solo's ribs. Yeah, I sincerely doubt that weakness applies to Aurra.

Oh dear.Because Savage can't throw projectiles? He can. Point being that Sing was presumably incapacitated by that attack, so yes, she is vulnerable.

Incapacitated? She was on a Speeder, deflecting fire and then Adi smashed her with a Boulder. Aurra(whom both Dark Woman and Ki-Adi noted would NOT die from that) escaped and then infiltrated the ship where A'sharad was guarding the senator and she proceeded to kick his hide.

If anything, the only reason why Aurra' got bouldered was because her attention was on the barrage of blaster fire hitting her.

Jacen with a single Force push sent her flying,

First off all when you start your argument and mention that it was Jacen Solo, you should realize that it's miracle she even survived since others where completely tooled. Hell even Jacen Notes that the Push should have caused more damage, but it didn't.

a Force wave from Savage is likely to be just as if not more effective

So you're saying Savage>Jacen in TK 😬

If Sing survived Jacen's powerful TK, she's going to survive a TK assault by Savage.

difference being Sing won't have a wife and kids to prevent Savage from following up, and blowing her away.

He's no Jacen Solo, that's like saying Savage can TK Luke because Desann did it 😬

Unless you have another example of Sing wielding Force lightning, I'm going to chalk that up as artistic license in grave need of renewal. 👆

She's a confirmed user of force lightning via the Star Wars Fact File, which(iirc) came out after Once Bitten(where the blade being infused with force lightning comes from) So yeah, i wonder how that'll end for Savage.

On the other hand:

In a fit of anger that he never replicates again, not even against someone with a weak force barrier like Kenobi or even Asajj, curious


So, after these two powerful and talented duelists fight each other for a long time, Savage decides to take advantage of their fatigue and hits em with a power attack? By god, that's impressive. Lets just ignore the fact that Ventress was dueling a superior swordsman alone, lets ignore that Dooku's attention was divided between a highly skilled Jedi Killer and Savage. Yep, none of that happened. Nope, not at all.


Kenobi and Anakin where the caught in the Force Wave that Savage used out of anger and never replicates again? Not even against the same opponent?

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Oh, so we're just going to ignore how Maul's there?

Or how about how he never, ever even showcases that raw power ever again against prominent Jedi?

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What has Sing got on these displays, hmm?

You mean aside from sending someone who faced Vader stumbling backwards with her strength, drawing the breath out from Jacen's lungs with a powerful kick and moving too fast for him.

Prove she can replicate this against Savage.

Bantha forgot to mention how Aurra was hunting Mana(the jedi she killed) and fought her before fighting the powerful duo. Score one for Pale lady

Only one of which can actually harm her opponent.

Unless she shoots him in the legs or the face.Maybe she drives her foot blade into his face or leg, throws her knife into his face or jams it into his hand. Yeah, she's got lots of options.

Yet was put down by Adi Gallia. 👆 [/B]

A woman regarded to be Qui-Gon's equal, among the best the Order had to offer, was considered to be an incredibly skilled and unorthodox duelist and was also regarded as a Powerful force user.

Don't forget that afterwords Aurra went on to beat the crap out of A'sharad in a duel despite taking that boulder to the face.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
:mmm😮rly?

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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111137054/3880450-star+wars-+omnibus+-+menace+revealed-104.jpgIs that the truth?

Is that sped up?

All gifyoutube gifs are.

Oh right.

Or perhaps Plo is just that much faster than Aurra. 💃