Aurra Sing vs Savage Opress

I look forward to being educated.

Terrifying.

However considering Savage's armor can take glancing blows from a lightsaber, she'd have to successfully impale or dismember him with such an attack, or else it's only going to make him angrier.
Savage is faster and stronger than Jinn, and his saberstaff affords him a better defense, and J'Mikel is no better than the Jedi Master he blitzed on Devaron. So I await your proof she'd succeed.

On the other hand, one of Jar'Kai's primary weaknesses is the fact that it divides one's strength between the two blades, making the wielder much vulnerable to power attacks. Oh dear.

Because Savage can't throw projectiles? He can. Point being that Sing was presumably incapacitated by that attack, so yes, she is vulnerable. .

Jacen with a single Force push sent her flying, a Force wave from Savage is likely to be just as if not more effective, difference being Sing won't have a wife and kids to prevent Savage from following up, and blowing her away.

Unless you have another example of Sing wielding Force lightning, I'm going to chalk that up as artistic license in grave need of renewal. 👆

—The Official Star Wars Fact File 117

On the other hand:

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What has Sing got on these displays, hmm?

Only one of which can actually harm her opponent.

"Sing kicked him in the side. The tip of a small, wedge-shaped blade scraped against his ribs and sent a blazing bolt of pain shooting into his body.

"Never¯" She kicked him again, sending another bolt of pain deep into his stomach. "¯violate¯"

She kicked again.

"¯my¯" Another kick, more pain. "¯mind!"

Sing kicked again, this time catching him near a kidney A wave of fiery anguish rolled through his body, stealing his breath, so hot he could not even scream. The pain would have paralyzed anyone else, left him on the floor praying to die before he drew his next breath.

But pain was an old friend of Jacen's. He had learned to embrace it during his imprisonment among the Yuuzhan Vong, and now it no longer troubled him. Now it served him."

¯Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Tempest

Yet was put down by Adi Gallia. 👆

Aurra's surprise tactic could potentially work on Savage, but I suspect a stab wound may not put him down.

Hell, Aurra may not even be put in a position where she can pull it out on him; suppose it depends on how well she adapts to his pounding.

I can't even summon words for this thread, personally.

As long as the general public sans DMBE agrees that Aurra gets her ass beat and her dick sucked I'm cool.

Originally posted by ILS
I can't even summon words for this thread, personally.

As long as the general public sans DMBE agrees that Aurra gets her ass beat and her dick sucked I'm cool.

So it's two against one now? That's hardly fair... For you.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Perhaps you missed the point. Aurra goes on an onslaught with a single blade and then BAM! second lightsaber out of no where. This means that Savage has to adjust his style on the fly to make up for the second blade or else his armor won't do him any good because like J'mikel he will just get impale immediately. Qui gon Jinn didn't even see it coming so I have little doubt that Savage will be caught off guard by this tactic. This means as soon as the blade appears he needs to process and react appropriately all before she runs this blade through him. So while Savage has faced superior Jar' Kai wielders before he has never been confronted with this type of strategy. Can you prove that Savage can adapt to Aurra Sing changing the rules fight on the fly? I doubt it. Savage is not the adaptable type.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Except from that one time where Kenobi amputated his leg.

This is a glancing blow. 👆

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Or completely throw him off to the point where he can't do jack ala Kenobi style.

So you think Savage is superior to Darth Maul then? who, according to several sources, was nearly killed by the combined might of Obi-Wan and Jinn, and nearly killed by Jinn alone?

Need i remind you that Jinn's own strength sent shudders down Maul's arms and that Jinn met Maul's speed several times?

Source: The Phantom Menace Novelisation

"Annie! Get out of here!" he cried out. His attacker closed with him again, forcing him back, striking at him from every angle. Even without knowing anything else, Qui-Gon knew this man was trained in the fighting arts of a Jedi, a skilled and dangerous adversary. Worse, he was younger, quicker, and stronger than Qui-Gon, and he was gaining ground rapidly. The Jedi Master blocked him again and again, but could not find an opening that would provide any chance of escape.

Source: The Phantom Menance novelisation

The Sith Lord he battled with Obi-Wan was more than his equal in weapons training, and he had the advantage of being younger and stronger. Qui-Gon was nearing sixty; his youth was behind him and his strength was beginning to diminish. His edge now, to the extent that he had one, came from his long experience and intuitive grasp of how an adversary might employ a lightsaber against him.

Obi-Wan brought youth and stamina to the combat, but he had fought in only a few contests and was not battle hardened. Together, they were able to hold their own against the Sith Lord, but their efforts at attack, at assuming the offensive against this dangerous adversary, were woefully inadequate...

...Qui-Gon pressed hard in the beginning, sensing how dangerous this man was, wanting to put an end to the combat quickly. Long hair flying out behind him, he attacked with ferocity and determination. Obi-Wan came with him, following his lead. They had fought together before, and they knew each other's moves. Qui-Gon had trained Obi-Wan, and while the younger Jedi was not yet his equal, he believed that one day Obi - Wan would be better than he had ever been. So they challenged the Sith Lord quickly, and just as quickly I discovered that their best efforts were not good enough to achieve an early resolution. They settled into a pattern then, working as a team against their enemy, waiting for an opening. But the Sith Lord was too smart to give them one, and so the battle had gone on.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Save for that time with Kenobi

the time he was unable to deflect or dodge omnidirectional fire

and against Maul when he whipped him.

In short, he eclipses Sing's ability.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Each and everyone of the opponents she's collected her saber's from are considered to be the greatest the Jedi had to offer.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Odd that a physically gifted man like Sharad, and later his son, A'sharad weren't able to completely over power her in a duel despite the fact that She took a boulder to the face while A'sharad remained unscathed.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Stranger still, is the fact that she's sent A'sharad flying with a boot to the face, twisted a droideka's arm and made it shoot it self, how her kicks where enough to break Jacen Solo's ribs. Yeah, I sincerely doubt that weakness applies to Aurra.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
This weakness is kind of lost on Aurra. She primarily channels the Force into physical augmentation and it shows because her physical stats are great. She is super humanly strong and has no problems in the physical strength department.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Incapacitated? She was on a Speeder, deflecting fire and then Adi smashed her with a Boulder. Aurra(whom both Dark Woman and Ki-Adi noted would NOT die from that) escaped and then infiltrated the ship where A'sharad was guarding the senator and she proceeded to kick his hide.

If anything, the only reason why Aurra' got bouldered was because her attention was on the barrage of blaster fire hitting her.

Point being Savage can do better, and he won't be running away.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Cool beans. Aurra Sing can throw projectiles too. But lets be honest, if Savage Opress was on that speeder he would have gotten hit by that boulder too. It was a giant ass boulder for goodness sakes. One instance does not make a pattern my friend.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy

So you're saying Savage>Jacen in TK 😬

If Sing survived Jacen's powerful TK, she's going to survive a TK assault by Savage.

Originally posted by WildBantha88

First off are you saying that Savage is equally as strong/stronger than Jacen Solo? Secondly while being Force Pushed by Jacen Solo Aurra Sing managed to disarm him and Jacens follow up attack was going to be Force lightning, a power Savage doesn't use. So in the same instance Aurra Sing is on the other side of the room but unharmed and Savage Opress is standing there weaponless. The best Savage's Force abilities will do is push Aurra around a little bit but I wont do any actual harm. If Savage Opress is clever he will use it create openings or herd Aurra Sing into a location of his choice, but that requires Savage to be clever. :/

Will it kill her? No. But it will off-balance her, shutdown her offense, and put her on the back foot. Sing isn't going to get anything on Savage if he can blow her away at a moments notice, and while in open terrain Sing may come out unscathed, if there are obstacles in the way she'll be worn down by repeated injury.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
She's a confirmed user of force lightning via the Star Wars Fact File, which(iirc) came out after Once Bitten(where the blade being infused with force lightning comes from)

So yeah, i wonder how that'll end for Savage.

Making him even more deadly. 👆

Originally posted by WildBantha88
LOL All of the displays you have shown were from an enraged Savage and were never replicated again even when facign the same opponents.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
In a fit of anger that he never replicates again, not even against someone with a weak force barrier like Kenobi or even Asajj, curious

1. Savage is stated to have grown steadily stronger since then.

2. Savage is always drawing on his rage, all he needs is a trigger to tap into this level of power i.e. Sing prodding him with her lightning stick.

3. If Savage can muster enough power to swat Dooku, he'll have no trouble ragdolling the grossly inferior Sing.

In short, if Savage is pressed hard enough by Sing he'll destroy her, and if he doesn't, she'll lose anyway.

And for the record, Savage replicated that Force wave feat in Death Sentence - something you both conveniently ignored. 😉

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Oh, so we're just going to ignore how Maul's there?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You mean aside from sending someone who faced Vader stumbling backwards with her strength

drawing the breath out from Jacen's lungs with a powerful kick

and moving too fast for him

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Bantha forgot to mention how Aurra was hunting Mana(the jedi she killed) and fought her before fighting the powerful duo. Score one for Pale lady

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Unless she shoots him in the legs or the face.

Blaster shot in between the eyes will put Savage down.

Unless your suggesting she engages him with blasters at close range. 😂

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Maybe she drives her foot blade into his face or leg

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Aurra's boot knife will have Savage screaming like his brother did before Sidious. After all it was stated that Jacen was only able to endure it due to enduring the embrace of pain. Savage does not have Jacens pain thresh hold and would succumb to the pain.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
throws her knife into his face or jams it into his hand.

Yeah, she's got lots of options.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
A woman regarded to be Qui-Gon's equal, among the best the Order had to offer, was considered to be an incredibly skilled and unorthodox duelist and was also regarded as a Powerful force user.

If you want to have a lowballing contest then let me bring up how Savage was humiliated by his brother, humiliated by Count Dooku on multiple occasions, and lost a limb to Kenobi while he had Darth Maul as back up.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Don't forget that afterwords Aurra went on to beat the crap out of A'sharad in a duel despite taking that boulder to the face.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I care. 🤣

Originally posted by WildBantha88
your still salty over the Aurra Vs Jango debate aren't you? Yeno the debate that you ran away from

Having said that, once my current personal debate on CV is finished I'd be happy to debate you under the table as well. Sound fun? 😱

I don't know what the hell you're talking about ILS. I set up the OP, not them.

And I hardly see anyone on team Savage not debating soely for Savage.

And if it's ridiculously biased to argue for a character you made a respect thread for and are impressed with their feats, then your signature has a link to a list of characters that nobody should take anything you say about them seriously anymore.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't know what the hell you're talking about ILS. I set up the OP, not them.

And I hardly see anyone on team Savage not debating soely for Savage.

I was referring to the Jango vs Aurra OP Bantha set up on Comic Vine. 👆

And if it's ridiculously biased to argue for a character you made a respect thread for and are impressed with their feats, then your signature has a link to a list of characters that nobody should take anything you say about them seriously anymore.

Nah, I'm saying that it's hard to take Bantha seriously when he sets up Aurra vs Jango and then protests that Aurra wins for the entire thread. I'm also not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with being horrendously biased, but I usually debate people to come to a conclusion, and that isn't something you can do with Bantha or Fated.

This is a new low for ILS...

you know better than to insult someone who gets beat by their parents nightly.

Originally posted by ILS
Nah, I'm saying that it's hard to take Bantha seriously when he sets up Aurra vs Jango and then protests that Aurra wins for the entire thread. I'm also not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with being horrendously biased, but I usually debate people to come to a conclusion, and that isn't something you can do with Bantha or Fated.

We've been debating Agen Kolar vs Shaak Ti for months

Sel =/= Bantha

😊

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He doesn't need to be adaptable,

Which he’s never been. Let’s face it, the only reason he one against Adi was because of Brute Force, and a TK attack that caught Adi mid strike/spin.

he just needs to be fast enough to block the second blade. Not only is he faster than Jinn.

Uh huh.

The energy bars retracted. The guards rushed forward. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan activated their lightsabers simultaneously and leaped toward them. Blaster fire pinged around them, and they deflected it, swinging in a blur of motion faster than the eye could follow.
Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Day of Reckoning

Slowly, Qui-Gon deactivated his lightsaber. Obi-Wan watched, knowing his Master could still attack in a movement faster than the eye could see.
Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Deadly Hunter

but again his saberstaff provides him with a greater surface area and therefore superior defense. He'll manage.

Or his staff will just be a big target waiting to be completely destroyed by a quick swipe of a blade or a shot of a blaster.

That's wasn't a glancing blow. 😐

This is a glancing blow.

That looks like Koon’s hitting his cape 😬

Unfortunately Sing has neither his skills nor the environmental advantage.

Sure thing hon. Care to provide these sources?

Sure thing.

“In one perfect movement I cut the engine and leap off the speeder, my lightsaber activated and in my hand. The Jedi meets my first blow, blocking it. He has expected my flying maneuver.

If an opponent can read you, the fight is over. I don't like that the Jedi was perfectly prepared for my first blow. Within seconds, I throw away my usual combinations and strategies. This Jedi seems to know how I will move before I do.”
—Star Wars Episode 1: Journal: Darth Maul.

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But I must confess that this Jedi is a challenge. If I leap, he is with me. If I turn, he follows me. He meets my ferocity with his own. His lightsaber swirls and hums, and several times comes closer than I like.

It is because of my wound. It has slowed me down somewhat. It is almost imperceptible, but it is there. The Jedi has an advantage. I am not at my best.

This realization sends more rage pumping into my body. I am angry at myself, but I use the anger to fuel the dark side. I feel the Force come from the Jedi and I send it back to him, showing him that I, too, have a connection, and it is stronger than his. I launch a furious counterattack. I feel the Jedi beginning to tire, and triumph rises like a red mist before my eyes. I gain the advantage. I am winning. I will defeat him.

I have been surprised at his skill, but now I am confident of victory. I will savor each moment of this battle.

Even through his fatigue, his blows still have power. He is a large man with impressive strength. He will fall heavily, like a monument.
—Star Wars Episode 1 Journal: Darth Maul

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Qui-Gon Jinn took the lead. A powerful warrior, I suspect he surprised Maul with his stamina. At one point Qui-Gon scored a hit and Maul fell several levels. But by the time the Jedi jumped down to engage him again, my apprentice had gained his feet and fought back with not one bit of energy displaced.
—Star Wars Episode 1 Journal: Darth Maul(Sheev commenting on the duel)

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“He used a double-bladed lightsaber and moved incredibly fast. Just as i sensed that creature was aware that Qui-Gon and I would beat him, he found a way to divide us.”
—Star Wars: Jedi Vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. Obi-Wan Kenobi

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and this little gold nugget.

Though considering Sing was forced to flee from Kenobi and Jinn, while Maul for all intents and purposes defeated them..

Not really, i just cited several sources that state otherwise. While Aurra gave them a good solid beating.

I fail to see your point.Where he was in an enclosed space, which would have restricted the use of his weapon, and against an opponent considerably superior to Sing.

Oh please, I hardly think that Savage, who fought Ventress and Obi-Wan/Dooku in a space that could hamper his lightsaber, was at a disadvantage, especially when that space where Obi-Wan kicked his hide was large enough to accommodate to his blade.

Not like his blade could, you know, take a large chunk out of a rock or anything. 😬

Before his prime, and against a dozen battle droids and three droidekas, and yet despite that managed to deflect the majority.

Yeah no, you can clearly see Savage getting hit by several blaster bolts from beginning to end.

Who appeared invisible to Komari Vosa, despite having a broken arm, moved so fast as to appear invisible to holocameras, and was capable of blitzing 4/5 opponents in an eyeblink. And as Savage remarked he's "grown so powerful" since accomplishing those feats.

And moved as fast as light and STILL Qui-Gon was giving him a hell of a fight on Tatooine and had him on the defensive nearing the end of their duel on Naboo as per the TPM novelisation. 👆

Proof please.

Aurra Sing embarked on a career of paid assassinations and bounty hunting, always keeping an eye out for contracts, or even merely opportunities, to fight Jedi. Since Jedi die just like anyone else, she soon acquired a lightsaber. She accumulated a collection of them, mementos of her victories over the best warriors the galaxy had to offer
—The Dark Side Sourcebook

Oh, they're the best the galaxy had to offer, what'd ya know.

Because any of them have comparable strength to Savage. 😂

Well, A’sharad only killed Krayt Dragon with a Gaffi stick and a lightsaber but what does that matter right?

Sing may have compensated for this weakness, but is still remains, and she remains unable to apply her full strength with two handed strikes or blocks.

Save for when she completely overpowers A’sharad in a blade lock, or handles Obi and Jinn, two people with great strength feats as of TPM btw. Yeah no, she doesn’t lack that.

Savage's immense strength will push her to her breaking point,

Dude, if Solo wasn’t able to overpower her, Savage won’t, period.

and that weakness will become all too apparent.

a weakness that never appeared when she took on Jin/Obi, Sharad, A’sharad, Jax Pavan(someone who took on Vader’s astonishing strength) or with Jacen Solo.

Uh-huh, Gallia stopped Sing in her tracks, preventing her intervention and giving them time to retreat, evidently she was incapacitated, for however long.

Apparently, that gave her enough time to set up a trap for Adi gallia, infiltrate the ship and still beat the crap. I don’t why you’re still on this. But whatevs

Point being Savage can do better, and he won't be running away.

Debatable

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I never said it wouldn't, but it wouldn't have kept him down.

Just like it didn’t keep Aurra down? cool.

I'm saying that Savage's Force waves will send Aurra flying just if not more effectively.

More effective than a Force Push from Jacen Solo? Okay, lol

Infer from that what you like but the fact remains that if Savage's repulses are effective against the likes of Maul

Whom was caught off guard by Savage’s repulse and didn’t even bother guarding against it.

Ventress and Dooku,

Who were more focused on one another than they were on Savage.

they will be effective against Sing too.

If he gets a chance.

Will it kill her? No. But it will off-balance her, shutdown her offense, and put her on the back foot.

Which she will recover from like she did against Solo.

Sing isn't going to get anything on Savage if he can blow her away at a moments notice,

Like he did to Kenobi? or how about Ventress during Bounty Hunter moment?

and while in open terrain Sing may come out unscathed, if there are obstacles in the way she'll be worn down by repeated injury.

There were several obstacles in the fight that featured Obi and Asajj, yet Savage never used them and opted to use his dueling skills, you mean like that? Where he doesn’t use them at all?

Seeing as he's tanked Dooku's lighting without lasting injury, it will probably just piss him off.

or Keep him on his back foot where Aurra could send a throwing knife at him or simply strike with lightning and put him on his heels with a lightsaber assault.

👆I think your forgetting a few things:

1. Savage is stated to have grown steadily stronger since then.

Quote?

2. Savage is always drawing on his rage, all he needs is a trigger to tap into this level of power i.e. Sing prodding him with her lightning stick.

Or she just hacks an arm off? Not sure his rage will help there.

3. If Savage can muster enough power to swat Dooku, he'll have no trouble ragdolling the grossly inferior Sing.

You mean “swat a distracted Dooku who has to divide his attention between his deadly former apprentice and Opress”?

In short, if Savage is pressed hard enough by Sing he'll destroy her, and if he doesn't, she'll lose anyway.

Hardly. Aurra’s got so many options to choose from to beat Savage.

She can duel him with a Single saber, prod him and lure him on, then she takes him by surprise using Jar’Kai and hacks a limb off or even destroy the staff with a swipe of her blades

She can Duel him and when she sees fit she can bring out her lightning and push him back.

She can bring in her mastery martial combat, and seeing how she has blades in her boots and on hand, she can cause some major damage. Similar to how Ventress tackled Savage in the Obi/Asajj fight.

Many, many other ways exist for Aurra to best Savage dude, and seeing how Savage leaves his guard so open, it will be pretty easy for an expert like Aurra to seize the opportunity and hit him where it hurts.

And for the record, Savage replicated that Force wave feat in Death Sentence - something you both conveniently ignored. 😉

That’s nice, too bad it never shows up against people with Force Barriers.

You realise the battlation was at least one hundred strong, and they wiped out most of them with this attack yes?

In a combined effort, not to mention that power is completely nullified seeing as how Adi wasn’t sent soaring through the bloody sky dude.

Can we have a name? Or is he that much of a mook?

Jax Pavan. Time Manipulation expert, able to cast Illusions, master of several forms and he dueled Vader.

Because Sing's kicks are going to effect Savage.

Her boot had a wedge shaped knife with the capacity to paralyse anyone, the only reason Jacen didn’t die was because of his familiarity with Vong torture .

So your saying Sing is faster than Jacen now?I

The text states that she moved too fast for him(I’m paraphrasing but it is something similar)

I care. 🤣

Context is everything.

He has something called a lightsaber.

And a lot of things called “openings”

Unless your suggesting she engages him with blasters at close range.

I was mentioning her arsenal.

Doesn't have his pain threshold? He's shrugged off getting his arm cut off, and as a Zabrak is naturally resistant to pain.

Shrugged off? He fell to his knees and groaned in pain. Heck, he was even a lot of pain when Dooku put him down with lightning.

knife wound will probably just piss him off.

Or distract him long enough for her to hack his arm off.

So she's running at Savage with a knife now?

[quote]Unless your suggesting she engages him with blasters at close range.

I was mentioning her arsenal.

[/quote]

😆In which to die.

ah, aha.

😂Source(s)?

QGJ respects Gallia

He liked and respected Adi
—Jedi Apprentice: The Dangerous Rescue

"Though the cruisers carried some of the best Jedi in the Order- including Windu, Adi Gallia, Eeth Koth, Plo Koon, Micah Gilett, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Qui-Gon's Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi- the Yinchorri possessed cortosis-weave armor that could resist lightsaber cuts."
—The New Essential Chronology

Master Adi Gallia is a respected member of the Jedi High Council, known for her unorthodox fighting style and honed intuition. Only a skilled duelist will stand a chance against her!
—Star Wars Clone Wars Adventures

All of whom would destroy Sing. 👆

:roll:

Originally posted by ForklifterMatt
Lol @ Fated and Bantha trying to debate

Hi Matt

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Ah, aha

Originally posted by ILS

Nah, I'm saying that it's hard to take Bantha seriously when he sets up Aurra vs Jango and then protests that Aurra wins for the entire thread. I'm also not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with being horrendously biased, but I usually debate people to come to a conclusion, and that isn't something you can do with Bantha or Fated.

Bantha, it's cool. Do as the code dictates. Feel the emotion, acknowledge it and let it go. Lets stay on topic, please.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Here's a news flash for you, I'm not the *******, you are. You guys just don't like me and my fellow DMBE members because we act more mature than you people

nd you don't take any of the DMBE seriously because we and we deffend unpopular characters

You're horrendously biased, hypocritical, play the victim and on top of all of that your stubborn denial that your favourites might be getting overrated rivals that of a brick wall. 👆

Someone apply lube to Bantha's ******* to make this slaughter less painful. This is truly legendary.