Did the Internet corrupt peoples minds or did peoples minds corrupt the internet?

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Undoubtedly you are correct, traditional crime is indeed going down, however, virtual crime is going up and laws simply have not been able to keep pace.

Wait, you have to admit that's a pretty questionable part of your argument. If you are claiming that the internet has caused virtual crime to go up, I doubt you'll get much argument but of course that's a pretty useless position.

The natural element of humanity that is given to crime is naturally going to be present on the net as well, and will continue to grow in proportion to the size of, access to and understanding of the net.

I think your cry for specialised legislation is also a bit of a non-impact statement too, because a. pretty much everyone would agree and b., it's already being done.

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
Do you think the internet can provide a place where due to relative anonymity it is easy for people to commit crimes like rape and death threats on a massive scale. The foulness to women on the internet disgusts me.

Yes I do, but I don't think it is making humanity more criminal because I believe criminality is about intent, not means. As in, I think such people would always have been like this- the net is simply making them heard.

Is it making the world more socially dangerous because the net is allowing the mass infliction of misogyny etc then yes, I agree, and it is a struggle for our time. That said, it has exposed something that was there anyway, so this is a struggle that needed to be done sooner or later anyway. So I can't blame the net for humans being crap.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes I do, but I don't think it is making humanity more criminal because I believe criminality is about intent, not means. As in, I think such people would always have been like this- the net is simply making them heard.

Is it making the world more socially [b]dangerous because the net is allowing the mass infliction of misogyny etc then yes, I agree, and it is a struggle for our time. That said, it has exposed something that was there anyway, so this is a struggle that needed to be done sooner or later anyway. So I can't blame the net for humans being crap. [/B]

I don't disagree with much of that as corruption in all its forms is my question. I would though question criminality being about intent exclusively and not means, I think by providing the means you encourage those who might otherwise not have had a method for crime and therefore would have taken a step back. For instance revenge sites. Posting pictures/videos of ex gfs/bfs. Hate campaigns etc. I think by providing an opportunity, it increases the chances of people making bad choices.

This is not to say all revenge choices on the internet are mad or bad as some like against Scientology etc. May not be.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

I think your cry for specialised legislation is also a bit of a non-impact statement too, because a. pretty much everyone would agree and b., it's already being done.

I would argue the legislation is aimed at the wrong people and being carried out in the wrong way, but that is way off topic.

I don;t call a thing corruption when the lack of it does not remove someone's desire to do it, only their ability.

For me, corruption is something that makes someone want to do something bad, not capable. As these people would have wanted to do the likes of revenge porn anyway, then it's not the internet that corrupted them.

The internet has given their corruption actual real world effect, though, which is an issue- but the solution is to remove the corruption at source.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I don;t call a thing corruption when the lack of it does not remove someone's desire to do it, only their ability.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

For me, corruption is something that makes someone want to do something bad, not capable. As these people would have wanted to do the likes of revenge porn anyway, then it's not the internet that corrupted them.

Again we disagree to a point as I think opportunity can alter someone's moral compass leading to making someone morally depraved

Originally posted by Ushgarak The internet has given their corruption actual real world effect, though, which is an issue- but the solution is to remove the corruption at source.

Here I do agree, however the resources and technology for this are simply not available and to be honest, I'm not sure I want my freedoms violated further.

Anyone who puts porn in the same bracket as racism or general bigotry worries me, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Anyone who puts porn in the same bracket as racism or general bigotry worries me, tbh.

Child porn is completely different, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Anyone who puts porn in the same bracket as racism or general bigotry worries me, tbh.

It's a good thing no one said they were in the "same category" then. 😉

Originally posted by Star428
It's a good thing no one said they were in the "same category" then. 😉

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Originally posted by psmith81992
I think it's more circular than that. The internet was created with good intent. The use of the internet gave people a public forum to push the envelope (racism/bigotry/porn/etc), then those people in turn further corrupted the internet and the circle just continued.

shrug

If that wasn't the intention, fair enough. The post is still there, though.

Anyone who comes to the conclusion after reading my post that I was putting pornography in same category as rape has a serious reading comprehension problem. That's all I'm going to say on the subject.

I wasn't accusing you of anything, though. You responded to me.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
This is simple messing around with words to empty effect. Me saying 'not equivalent' was, pretty obviously, me saying they could not be validly compared.

Hence no, they are not similar in any meaningful sense as related to your argument.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Should call him [b]Chrushgarak the way this dude be crushing debates. [/B]

Way to make his name even [i[more[/i] manly (and METAL). haermm *claps for Omega*

Originally posted by -Pr-
Child porn is completely different, tbh.

Originally posted by Ionceknewu
To a point, however it is still there to fulfill sexual gratification in an audience.

Yeah, in the same way that an armed robbery and going to work at your job are there to fulfil monetary gratification...

Originally posted by Star428
Anyone who comes to the conclusion after reading my post that I was putting pornography in same category as racism has a serious reading comprehension problem. That's all I'm going to say on the subject.

Fixed.

When I typed the original post in question it was late last night. I was in a hurry and excited because I was on my way to celebrate the 4th. Obviously no one ever accused me of saying rape and porn were the same. It should've been clear I actually meant "racism" instead of "rape" though if you take my post before that one into account.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, in the same way that an armed robbery and going to work at your job are there to fulfil monetary gratification...

Hmmmm......... I don't think many would choose the sex industry if they could earn as much in another job, bit like robbing a bank... maybe.

Porn isn't an empowering profession, generally in our culture it is demeaning to women.

Is it as demeaning to some as the confederate flag, the argument can EASILY be made that is it, that however doesn't equate to them being equally was bad. Just that they are both "devils" in their own corner.