Whis vs New 52 Superman

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
do you mean that blast that destroyed exactly one planet...

Lol what? What is star level?

The issue wasn't that Beerus could be seen, it's that Beerus could be seen from his own plated. That said Beerus can obviously destroy a planet of earth...likeness. The major issue is DBZ strength feats pale in comparison to the big dogs of American comics. There is a legit argument that Supes could vaporize him with a single blow.

If you wanna play that game, we've seen Buu destroy a galaxy (which of course took many many decades) but we see it wiped out. Which means he would had have to destroys stars as well.

But before you attempt to try to downplay/ignore that.

Here are the calcs
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15373

Star as in star buster. But seeing how superman has absolutely 0 planet busting feats and even stated there is only one person in the universe that can destroy planets, I think I'm being more than generous enough.

You mean like when beerus casually flew through multiple planets without even damaging himself? Of course you'll use the old "but I can see him" excuse that literally every downplayer tries to use. And I can see many comic characters from there own planets as well.

Oh and there is a sun that's behind his thing as well.

And no, Supes isn't one shoting anyone.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
If you wanna play that game, we've seen Buu destroy a galaxy (which of course took many many decades) but we see it wiped out. Which means he would had have to destroys stars as well.

But before you attempt to try to downplay/ignore that.

Here are the calcs
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=15373

Star as in star buster. But seeing how superman has absolutely 0 planet busting feats and even stated there is only one person in the universe that can destroy planets, I think I'm being more than generous enough.

You mean like when beerus casually flew through multiple planets without even damaging himself? Of course you'll use the old "but I can see him" excuse that literally every downplayer tries to use. And I can see many comic characters from there own planets as well.

Oh and there is a sun that's behind his thing as well.

And no, Supes isn't one shoting anyone.

Ok why should Superman destroy Planets or Stars? He is the hero? Just out of curiosity, because I can't remember it, did Goku ever destroy a Planet and/or a Star?

Superman flew through some Moon destroying it, and this Moon was bigger than any Planet i ever saw in DB. This is nothing special.

Take a look at the best respect thread made on KMC first
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=601613&pagenumber=1

DB chars have a huge energy output, some of them proved to be Planet busters but you need only a PL of 18000 (Vegetas gaitling gun) to destroy a Planet in the DB Verse. A normal Human, the Farmer has a PL of 5, that means you need Ki energy or Power of 3600 Humans to destroy a Planet. Well Goku during his training could lift 40 Tons before he reached a base PL of 9000, so we can assume, given an average of humans lifting 40 kg, that his Powerlevel was around 1000 at base at this moment, or the strength does not scale as good as the energy output with PL. Comic chars use strength mostly to dermine who is stronger, Hulk lifted 150,000,000,000 Tons, that means he is as powerful as 3,000,000,000,000 Humans and has a PL of 15,000,000,000,000.

The durability feats of Superman, resisting planetbusters and multiple Supernovas are enough to whistand the blasts from DB chars, he can phase through physical and energy attacks and he is faster. His strength however is so far above that of DB chars that a solid hit should kill or ko them.

Superman bench-pressed earth, without his power source the sun, for 5 days straight, that is 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg or 1,194,720,000,000,000,000,000,000 Humans or a PL 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000. And we can assume he benchpressed the weight more than once a minute, let's say once every 3 seconds, that would mean 144000 times, what Powerlevel, strength level, durability level would this require? And this all without the Sun... At his best Superman is so far above Goku and the whole DB cast, it isn't even funny. Though Japan still >> the USA.^^

I just used the quantifiable numbers and feats and common sense. ^^

And yes the DB Planets/Suns etc have a very differen'T durability level than normal, as we can see. Oh and if the DB chars would have so much power in each of their blasts and strikes, a fight between two would have destroyed the DB Earth a long time ago, just as a side effect of a blast, so we know for sure that when they fight to the best of their abilities the strikes and blasts are lower than planetbusting.

Major Spoiler for the new movie.

Spoiler:
SSGSS Vegeta died from a planet exploding

DBZ physical durability is way below there energy output.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Major Spoiler for the new movie.

Spoiler:
SSGSS Vegeta died from a planet exploding

DBZ physical durability is way below there energy output.

Movie is a POS. Goku got hurt by some random laser bullshit too.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok why should Superman destroy Planets or Stars? He is the hero? Just out of curiosity, because I can't remember it, did Goku ever destroy a Planet and/or a Star?

Superman flew through some Moon destroying it, and this Moon was bigger than any Planet i ever saw in DB. This is nothing special.

Take a look at the best respect thread made on KMC first
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=601613&pagenumber=1

DB chars have a huge energy output, some of them proved to be Planet busters but you need only a PL of 18000 (Vegetas gaitling gun) to destroy a Planet in the DB Verse. A normal Human, the Farmer has a PL of 5, that means you need Ki energy or Power of 3600 Humans to destroy a Planet. Well Goku during his training could lift 40 Tons before he reached a base PL of 9000, so we can assume, given an average of humans lifting 40 kg, that his Powerlevel was around 1000 at base at this moment, or the strength does not scale as good as the energy output with PL. Comic chars use strength mostly to dermine who is stronger, Hulk lifted 150,000,000,000 Tons, that means he is as powerful as 3,000,000,000,000 Humans and has a PL of 15,000,000,000,000.

The durability feats of Superman, resisting planetbusters and multiple Supernovas are enough to whistand the blasts from DB chars, he can phase through physical and energy attacks and he is faster. His strength however is so far above that of DB chars that a solid hit should kill or ko them.

Superman bench-pressed earth, without his power source the sun, for 5 days straight, that is 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg or 1,194,720,000,000,000,000,000,000 Humans or a PL 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000. And we can assume he benchpressed the weight more than once a minute, let's say once every 3 seconds, that would mean 144000 times, what Powerlevel, strength level, durability level would this require? And this all without the Sun... At his best Superman is so far above Goku and the whole DB cast, it isn't even funny. Though Japan still >> the USA.^^

I just used the quantifiable numbers and feats and common sense. ^^

And yes the DB Planets/Suns etc have a very differen'T durability level than normal, as we can see. Oh and if the DB chars would have so much power in each of their blasts and strikes, a fight between two would have destroyed the DB Earth a long time ago, just as a side effect of a blast, so we know for sure that when they fight to the best of their abilities the strikes and blasts are lower than planetbusting.

Superman has before, except new 52 has not, he's fought planet busters before. But with a team.

He needed to accelerate to destroy that moon and he KOed himself in the process. And this is New 52, you most be really desperate to try and asspull crisis feats.

Cool lifting strength, didn't realize this was the Olympics.

Go ahead and prove that. It's called plot (like you said, why would they destroy the planet ,when it's needed for further plot?)

They also concentrate their power so they destroy the planet. If superman is as strong as you say then why hasn't he destroyed the planet with a casual shockwave? And yes he's gone all out several times in the New 52.

And trunks stopped friezas planet busting blast (the one he used to destroy namek) with one hand in the Android saga.

But of course you'll be like "no it didn't destroy a planet so it isn't planet level" despite being seen to destroy multiple planets (namek and planet vegeta) in the past. Because when you use that, please show me New 52 doomsday surviving an attack that's city level or more

And btw, power levels are bull shit. Only retards like yourself use them. And teen Goku was able to casually flip a 116 ton giant piccolo. His power level should have 200-300.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Major Spoiler for the new movie.

Spoiler:
SSGSS Vegeta died from a planet exploding

DBZ physical durability is way below there energy output.

New 52 got owned by some random featless alien Lizard

And has.been bloodied by Batman

Not every single blast needs to destroy a star for it to be star level.

Cause going by that logic, I've seen superman get KOed or killed by attacks that are less than city level.

^You are really angry if you are proven wrong, aren't you? Ok so what planets did Goku destroy?

It was another Moon feat not the Dark moon feat.

Plot? At least I could teach you this thing. Now you have to learn how to be unbiased and use the same plot argument for both sides.

So ok, Goku never destroyed a Planet neither did Superman. Superman survived multiple Supernova like attacks, stated as such, while Goku has not, which means Supermans durability is also far above that of DB Goku. Supermans strength feats trump Gokus by an insane amount. Gokus Blasting feats, except for blocking other attacks, are still vague enough for me to think that Supermans HV can perform as well. So we are left with speed and this is a no brainer, as Superman is faster, though you might really go through the respect thread. And Whis is a 15 while Goku is a 8. With Supermans powerlevel, which is so far above any calculated level from DB, we are left with the most likely outcome, Superman winning this in a stomp.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^You are really angry if you are proven wrong, aren't you? Ok so what planets did Goku destroy?

It was another Moon feat not the Dark moon feat.

Plot? At least I could teach you this thing. Now you have to learn how to be unbiased and use the same plot argument for both sides.

So ok, Goku never destroyed a Planet neither did Superman. Superman survived multiple Supernova like attacks, stated as such, while Goku has not, which means Supermans durability is also far above that of DB Goku. Supermans strength feats trump Gokus by an insane amount. Gokus Blasting feats, except for blocking other attacks, are still vague enough for me to think that Supermans HV can perform as well. So we are left with speed and this is a no brainer, as Superman is faster, though you might really go through the respect thread. And Whis is a 15 while Goku is a 8. With Supermans powerlevel, which is so far above any calculated level from DB, we are left with the most likely outcome, Superman winning this in a stomp.

I never said Goku destroyed planets. I was even kind enough to put supes at star level (which is actually wanking supes). And you didn't prove me wrong, you used power levels like an idiot 😂

So a moon eh? You mean a complete fodder feat that was early dbz?

Oh then show ALL the planets darksied has destroyed excluding the one with high father since it's a shared feat. If fact, show me any planet destroying blast from any one in the DC universe who isn't a skyfather and above.

Lol now your asspulling.crisis feats cause you know New 52 can't win. And a supernova should actually amp superman since it comes from his direct power source.

His durability is higher in pre crisis, but this is New 52, learn the difference between the two.

Lifting feats are higher, where all then striking feats tho?

You mean when trunks palmed friezas blast that casually destroyed planet vegeta and blew up namek?

Superman is faster in flight speed, not reaction and combat speed.

Superman doesn't stomp. Whis destroys him.

And I'm still waiting for you to prove DBZ suns are less than normal.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Major Spoiler for the new movie.

Spoiler:
SSGSS Vegeta died from a planet exploding

DBZ physical durability is way below there energy output.

To be fair, for me there are 4 different versions of DBZ:

-The Manga
-The universe Dragonball and DBZ take place in
-Dragonball GT universe
-Dragonball movie universe

Yes, I realize in the movies and in GT they are technically supposed to be the same characters, but there is a lot of inconsistency with power levels in GT, where it really seemed like they took a step backwards instead of forward.

The movies likewise just flat out contradict various stuff from the anime, and the characters show powers in the movies they have never ever shown in the anime. Or they just add in random weaknesses(Namekians can't stand whistling!). The *only* movie I would consider even a possibility for being included in the normal DB/DBZ anime-verse is the Bardock movie.

Just like Pre Crisis Darkseid is technically the same as post crisis Darkseid, but people separate them because of the vast gap in power levels.

Of course some feel different and lump together all the feats from the anime and movies. But doing that you just end up with one huge clusterf*ck.

Lol...Superman was koed by ramming into a moon. He got dropped by a single attack from Doctor light that didn't even level the room. The list goes on and on. Things that wouldn't even tickle black hair Goku. Stop low balling because Superman showings is far worse.

Er, if an attack is dropping Superman it's going to do more then tickle Goku. You act like every time Goku has been injured it's been a moon busting or planet busting blast. Except yeah...no, it hasn't been.

Not to mention I thought the moon ramming feat was pre Nu 52. Superman can lift the equivalent of the planet for 5 days. Goku has been physically harmed by people nowhere near that level of strength. Hell people stronger then Goku have been physically harmed by people who are not on the same level of physical strength as Nu Supes. Hell Gohan messed up Perfect Cell with a single punch to the gut, and then Cell likewise messed up Gohan's arm with an energy blast..an energy blast that didn't level the city or the country or the planet(since we are taking collateral damage into account). Hell, I don't think it even leveled an amount of land comparable to even a single city block.

I'm sure you have excuses for this, right? Since of course you wouldn't lowball characters, your involvement in threads with the Hulk has obviously shown us all that time and time again. So the "people are upset because he has low showings" is almost cute coming from you, almost. That would be like H1 calling other people out for being Superman fanboys.

A casual blast from Cell that doesn't destroy a room>>>>>>>>>>Roshi moon busting attack. DBZ has complete control of their energy output. Doctor Light isn't as powerful as a DBZ character and I'm talking about people like Krillin. You can believe if you want that I was lowballing but I wasn't. It takes the amount of power I said to take out a DBZ character. Anything less and it would get walked through. Saiyan Saga Vegeta can't hurt Namek saga Goku and he/Saiyan Saga Vegeta was holding on to planetary power. This trends goes on and on. Goku hit Frieza with a Kamehameha times 20 which is 6 times the energy to destroy a planet and Frieza tanked that crap and was pissed because it dirtied up his hand. The reason he was able to withstand it was due to him being significantly more powerful than Goku and during this instance, he was only using 1% of his true power.

Question, do you think first form Frieza (who destroyed a planet twice the size of Earth and much denser than Earth 'with just a finger tip) can kill or damage full power Cell?

Originally posted by Surtur
Er, if an attack is dropping Superman it's going to do more then tickle Goku. You act like every time Goku has been injured it's been a moon busting or planet busting blast. Except yeah...no, it hasn't been.

Not to mention I thought the moon ramming feat was pre Nu 52. Superman can lift the equivalent of the planet for 5 days. Goku has been physically harmed by people nowhere near that level of strength. Hell people stronger then Goku have been physically harmed by people who are not on the same level of physical strength as Nu Supes. Hell Gohan messed up Perfect Cell with a single punch to the gut, and then Cell likewise messed up Gohan's arm with an energy blast..an energy blast that didn't level the city or the country or the planet(since we are taking collateral damage into account). Hell, I don't think it even leveled an amount of land comparable to even a single city block.

I'm sure you have excuses for this, right? Since of course you wouldn't lowball characters, your involvement in threads with the Hulk has obviously shown us all that time and time again. So the "people are upset because he has low showings" is almost cute coming from you, almost. That would be like H1 calling other people out for being Superman fanboys.

👆 And the moon was made from differen't stuff than our moon, no one knows what effects this matter had in our Universe.

Prove that DBZ moon is different and I'm talking about with a scan.

Superman utterly stomps DBZ.

Originally posted by carver9
A casual blast from Cell that doesn't destroy a room>>>>>>>>>>Roshi moon busting attack. DBZ has complete control of their energy output. Doctor Light isn't as powerful as a DBZ character and I'm talking about people like Krillin. You can believe if you want that I was lowballing but I wasn't. It takes the amount of power I said to take out a DBZ character. Anything less and it would get walked through. Saiyan Saga Vegeta can't hurt Namek saga Goku and he/Saiyan Saga Vegeta was holding on to planetary power. This trends goes on and on. Goku hit Frieza with a Kamehameha times 20 which is 6 times the energy to destroy a planet and Frieza tanked that crap and was pissed because it dirtied up his hand. The reason he was able to withstand it was due to him being significantly more powerful than Goku and during this instance, he was only using 1% of his true power.

Question, do you think first form Frieza (who destroyed a planet twice the size of Earth and much denser than Earth 'with just a finger tip) can kill or damage full power Cell?

They have complete control, of course. Which is why Vegeta flat out states at one point he can't go all out without destroying the planet, right? Because of the complete control? Why was everyone freaking out when Goku had an attack aimed down at Earth? Where was the complete control then?

Originally posted by Surtur
They have complete control, of course. Which is why Vegeta flat out states at one point he can't go all out without destroying the planet, right? Because of the complete control? Why was everyone freaking out when Goku had an attack aimed down at Earth? Where was the complete control then?

Yes they have control. Anyone that knows anything about DBZ know they have control. Goku even tells us that the Z fighters have control of their ki when Trunks shoots a blast at Goten. I think it'll be better for you to read the manga.

Lol, the Z fighters were scared of Goku attack because of the power it had, not because they couldn't control their abilities.

Whis kills the entire Superman family... Nu, pre-flashpoint and even pre-crisis. Comics become much better as the result.

So superman beat Goku again in Death battle.

How many people are going to cry this time?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
👆 And the moon was made from differen't stuff than our moon, no one knows what effects this matter had in our Universe.